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Title: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: zagor te nej on October 15, 2010, 06:58:01 PM
Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
The Dutch parliament unanimously voted on Wednesday to postpone Serbia's candidacy for European Union (EU) membership until at least December. The decision came even though the other 26 EU member states made it clear that they favored Belgrade's candidacy. It also came after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made glowing statements about Belgrade's pro-Western government and specifically its president, Boris Tadic, during her visit on Oct. 12, calling Serbia a "leader in Europe" and unreservedly throwing Washington's support behind Belgrade's EU bid.
The Dutch decision has been widely perceived by Serbians as a reaction to the riots in Belgrade on Oct. 10, led by well-organized and motivated violent nationalist groups — self-styled "patriotic movements" — and subsequent Oct. 12 unrest in Genoa at a Serbia-Italy soccer match by some of the same elements. However, the Netherlands would have probably made its decision no matter the events in Belgrade and Genoa, largely because of a combination of Dutch politics — which have taken a turn to the right, and therefore markedly against EU enlargement — and Dutch insistence on maintaining an EU commitment to a certain set of membership standards regardless of supposed geopolitical benefits.
The Dutch decision on Serbia may not seem the obvious pick for the key event of the day. But if history teaches us anything about the Balkans it is that its supposedly petty politics have a tendency of forcing great powers to shift their focus to its banal instability.
In 2000, Serbia's nationalist leader, Slobodan Milosevic — who the West has blamed for much of the ethnic strife in former Yugoslavia — was overthrown by what then seemed to be a pro-Western popular uprising. To the West, the uprising seemed to conclude Serbia's 10 years of geopolitical dithering because the ringleaders of the uprising, student movement OTPOR, were unequivocally oriented toward a European future for Serbia — and quite photogenic to boot, which helps in the West. However, the uprising — as do most coalitions cobbled together to unseat a strongman — brought together a cacophony of perspectives of what Serbia should be, from hardened nationalists to ultra liberals. Its success was more a product of Milosevic's failure to balance the opposition against one another than of a clear national consensus on Serbia's future.
"We find ourselves slowly discerning a portrait of a Serbia whose past 10 years are beginning to resemble those of the German Weimar Republic."
The problem for Serbia, however, was not just that the opposition was united merely in its desire to remove Milosevic from power. The problem was also that Milosevic's overthrow was not really a violent revolution, allowing the institutions and structures of power under Milosevic to remain very much in place. The civilian bureaucracy he dominated, law enforcement organizations he painstakingly cajoled to serve him, and complex links between organized crime and the state that he purposefully fostered remained in place. The pro-West government that followed, led by Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic, replaced the heads of departments, but had the thankless task of weeding out former influences and connections between Serbia's underworld and the government. The government's orders were blatantly ignored or siphoned via informants in key institutions of law enforcement and intelligence to organized crime networks. That Djindjic was making progress is now understood because his efforts to eliminate the shadowy world of organized crime ultimately cost him his life in 2003.
While things have on the surface progressively become more stable — Serbia held a number of relatively uneventful elections and transferred power from a nationalist to pro-European government in 2008 — the state has not necessarily become stronger. A confrontation with organized crime and violent nationalist groups is still not something that Belgrade wants to fully commit to, not for the lack of political will but for an apparent lack of capacity.
And herein lies the irony of the Dutch decision. The West has for a long time been skeptical of Serbia's political will to confront its past. But the events of the past few days in Belgrade and Genoa in fact illustrate that for Serbia the problem may be more a lack of capacity, which is in many ways much more serious. It is better to be somewhat obstinate — but capable — than to openly lack state power. At least the former can be fixed with a mere switch in attitude; the latter can in fact motivate extremist elements to intimidate the government further. Belgrade also can't necessarily come clean about its lack of capacity and ask for help, however, because if Europe understood just how impotent the government is, it is not guaranteed it would try to help by speeding up EU membership. This is particularly so at a time when Europe is consumed with institutional and economic problems unearthed by its financial crisis. Serbia's president, Tadic — like Djindjic — is therefore left with the nearly impossible job of masquerading Belgrade's lack of potency, offering Europe excuses, while dealing with the unmet expectations of his electorate.
Meanwhile, in Serbia the violent soccer "fans" — whose supposed origin in sport fandom belies their organizational capacity, violent history of participating in ethnic cleansing of the 1990s and links to organized crime — and violent nationalist groups are continuously finding new recruits in the underemployed, disaffected and largely futureless youth. Generations born in the 1990s have no point of reference to Serbia's golden years within Yugoslavia and have come to expect as normal the political unrest, street violence and extreme nationalism. Serbia and its youth also do not lack disappointment, anger and angst, particularly toward the West. The West conducted a three month bombing campaign against Serbia in 1999, offered practically unanimous support for Kosovo independence and ultimately forced Belgrade to accept the modern equivalent of Germany's WWI "War Guilt Clause" for Belgrade's role in conflicts of the 1990s. Concurrently, the economy is in a state of collapse due to a combination of continued political instability — which steers away meaningful investments — and the ongoing global economic crisis. The average monthly wage is now below even that of neighboring Albania, which for Serbs is tantamount to a civilizational collapse. These are the breeding grounds for this week's extremism.
And here we find ourselves slowly discerning a portrait of a Serbia whose past 10 years are beginning to resemble those of the German Weimar Republic. Paralleling Weimar's 15-year existence, Serbia has had a number of setbacks: forced to accept defeat and blame for wars it believes it lost due to the West's interventions, keep paying for the sins of a regime it feels it overthrew on its own and lastly deal with an economic crisis it had no control over and cannot deal with alone. And to re-enter the Western club of nations it has — much like interwar Germany — introduced democratic institutions at a time when the fight against violent nationalist groups requires a particularly heavy, potentially undemocratic hand. The greatest danger for Serbia is not that the state collapses, but that — as in the Weimar Republic — certain political forces in the country ultimately decide that it is easier to make compromises with extremist elements than continue toiling at strengthening the republic against both international and domestic impediments.
And such a Serbia would shift global focus very quickly back to the Balkans.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 15, 2010, 07:41:29 PM
Ма да, бре, чврста рука би решила све.
О, мон дие...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 15, 2010, 08:37:57 PM
Oh, well...

(http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bradley-fighting-vehicle-in-a2-ods-configuration.jpg)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 15, 2010, 09:02:25 PM
Ма видиш ли да у тексту имплицирају ДОМАЋУ, да не кажем домаћинску чврсту руку. Камо лепе среће да предлажу неку врсту страног намесништва, или бар да нам врате Монтгомерија за гаулајтера.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 15, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
Neka implicira ko sta hoce, ja znam sta radim.  :|
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Monte on October 18, 2010, 03:31:56 AM
STRATFOR (http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/opinions.php?nav_id=70326) је извор.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 18, 2010, 04:30:01 AM
bole nas tuki za ruzne 'olandeze, EU i ostale okupatorske sarene laze... bice istjerani govnjavom motkom iz srbije do zadnjega. a onda pregovori na nekim drugacijim osnovama. licno bi radije vidio cvrste veze sa bratskom rusijom i ostatkom slobodarskog svijeta (Brazil, Kina, Indija i jos 100tinjak + zemalja).   xjap
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Superhik on October 18, 2010, 05:38:24 AM
Qualis grex, talis rex..
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: tarana on October 18, 2010, 07:02:20 AM
Quote from: Che on October 18, 2010, 04:30:01 AM
licno bi radije vidio cvrste veze sa bratskom rusijom i ostatkom slobodarskog svijeta (Brazil, Kina, Indija i jos 100tinjak + zemalja).   xjap

Quotekoliko god su ameri dodijali i bogu i svijetu svojim nasiljem, kinezi bi vjerovatno bili jos gori gospodari
.


aj' ćuti malo...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Daisy on October 18, 2010, 07:35:24 AM
Forum je odavno sazreo (neki bi rekli prezreo) za nagradom "Žika Obretković"!  xjap

posto dosta ljudi na forumu poruke glavnih takmicara cita dijagonalno ili preskace, apelujem na druge koji citaju da se ne nerviraju nego da poruku tretiraju kao predlog za "takmicenje" ...

... kog' ne mrzi nek' postira "predlog" na temi "Nagrada Žika Obretković"
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Pareski do on October 18, 2010, 11:05:15 AM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs388.ash2/66634_1690822233017_1311585127_1817177_2025286_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 18, 2010, 01:43:41 PM
"EU nema altenativu" je postao laxativ nacije... dosta vise, GOTOVI SU!
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 18, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
Ko je gotov? NATO kod vas u Bosni?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 18, 2010, 04:14:06 PM
tzv. nato je kod nas u RS jos iskljucivo da nadgleda islamske ekstremiste. na politicke tokove srpske vec duze vremena nemaju nikakav uticaj kao ni tzv. visoki predstavnik. ili da pojednostavim REPUBLIKA SRPSKA je slobodna.   xjap

p.s. bogu hvala za rusiju i tzsara putina.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 18, 2010, 04:28:50 PM
Kada ti tarana, jedan mirni ravnicar i generalno layed back i stalozeni lik, kaze da cutis i jos natuknjuje da si neopisano glup, sta da ti kazemo mi crnogorski brdjani?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 18, 2010, 04:34:11 PM
argumenti su vam do mojega, ujljucujuci ratara taranu i njegove tzv. opaske i inteligentna pitanja...    :roll:
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 18, 2010, 04:51:24 PM
Ali ti nista ne razumes, idiote. Otud (ne odud) mi mora da ti zvucimo kao sumasisavsi.

Znas kako kazu u juznoj Srbiji: budalu ne vredi uciti, ona si sve znaje.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 18, 2010, 04:57:09 PM
vama nedostaju argumenti druze hatemi... onda pocinje to prozivanje: budalo, glupane, tejlesu i sl. nema veze, borba se nastavlja do pobjede!  GOTOVI SU!   xjap
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 18, 2010, 05:00:55 PM
Pod uslovom da Kinezi pa i tzv. Rusi ipak ne zavladaju svetom (ukljucujuci i americki podrum tvojih nesretnih roditelja).

Pridruzi mi se pa da uskliknemo s ljubavlju: ZIVELA AMERIKA I ZIVEO NATO!!!
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 18, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
hatemi, smatram da nisi dovoljno glup da vjerujes u to sto pises. vec sada je ocevidno da se privredno teziste seli na daleki istok u ovom vijeku. pitanje je samo kakav ce biti balans snaga i na koji nacin ce biti uspostavljen.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 18, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
Welcom to Montenegro, mister Keka. Monopol na zastrasivanje posle 60 godina u Srbiji po prvi put ne kontrolisu samo politicari i tajne sluzbe. Pa nije samo novobeogradski klan placao zastitu generalima MUP-a i politicarima, to je tako zadnjih 30 godina u Srbiji,zato ima toliko nasilja,droge,reketa,40.000 naoruzanih pripadnika paravojnih agencija za zastitu koje uglavnom drze bivci udbasi i bezbednjaci. Prekombinovala se drzava u svojoj strateskoj igri,a zlatni rudnik presusio.
(Macheta, 18. oktobar 2010 19:02)

Keka Stojanović je odavno u bekstvu ("nije dostupan"), a kriminalna grupa iz novobeogradskog bloka 45 je po surovosti i beskrupuloznosti odavno nadmašila nekadašnji zemunski klan. U tu grupu jako je teško ući: potencijalni novi pripadnik mora da izvrši ubistvo i tako dokaže privrženost. I u blokovima, i u policiji dobro se zna ko su članovi i čime se bave, ali se u sudnici malo toga može dokazati, jer svedoka jednostavno nema.
(Komšija, 18. oktobar 2010 18:13)


Zivela!
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 18, 2010, 11:45:18 PM
Delimično rasvetljena tragedija u Maksima Gorkog

Ubijen zbog fudbala


(http://www.pancevac.eu/image.php?img=issues/4371/images/hro08.jpg)

Nakon saslušanja pred istražnim sudijom Više javno tužilaštvo u Pančevu osumnjičilo je jedno od četiri uhapšena lica za ubistvo Ivana Pankeričana (53) u utorak, 5. marta, kasno uveče, u Ulici Maksima Gorkog.

Osumnjičenom za ubistvo određen je pritvor do 30 dana, a ostalima osam dana.

Policijska istraga je pokazala da je Pankeričan izboden nožem, koji je nađen na licu mesta, a povod za ubistvo je svađa zbog fudbala. Ivan, koji je navijao za ,,Crvenu zvezdu", te večeri je bio u kući jednog komšije s još trojicom prijatelja, navijača ,,Partizana", i tamo su zajedno gledali fudbalsku utakmicu. U jednom trenutku je počela svađa oko toga koji je od ta dva kluba bolji. Svađa je ubrzo prerasla u tuču i neko od prisutnih je u gužvi ubo Pankeričana nožem u vrat. Povrede koje su mu nanete bile su tako teške da je preminuo na licu mesta.

Kada je došla policija, četvorica uhapšenih bili su toliko pijani da su morali da budu odvedeni na trežnjenje i tek nakon toga su saslušani. Dosad nisu hapšeni zbog krivičnih dela, a među njima su otac i sin, komšije ubijenog.

Mihajlo Gligorić



Zivela!
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 18, 2010, 11:53:09 PM
(http://www.pancevac.eu/image.php?img=issues/4371/images/06.jpg)
JELICA RADOSAVLjEVIĆ, tekstilna radnica:

– U Rusiji sam bila ranije i delovalo mi je kao da ta država dobro funkcioniše. Zato gajim simpatije prema toj zemlji i oni treba da nam budu prvi saveznici. Ne mogu lako da pređem preko činjenice da je i Hilari Klinton posredno ili neposredno učestvovala u kreiranju planova za napad na Srbiju 1999. Ne treba da dozvolimo da budemo previše potčinjeni u odnosima sa strancima.


Zivela!
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 19, 2010, 12:07:10 AM
ova zena ima sasvim trezveno razmisljanje. meni je cudno kako neki mogu da budu gnjide i slave zlikovce svoje zemlje...   :idea:

a ove gluposti oko ubistva zbog fudbala mozes da nadjes u crnim hronikama bilo koje zemlje. znaci dzaba samo prdis u vjetar.    xjap
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: zagor te nej on October 19, 2010, 12:30:47 AM
Srbiju su Srbi zasrali do te mere da citava ta desolucija drustva, normi ponasanja u drustvu, masovne kleptomanije na nacionalnom nivou, sad ima sopstvenu dinamiku iz koje se jako tesko izvuci. Tamo nema nikakvog reda od maja 1980.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: zagor te nej on October 19, 2010, 12:35:44 AM
Osobito je zalosno da od Tita tamo niko nije napravio cestit most, put ili skolu. Srpska vlast od novca iz nacionalnog investicionog plana renovira crkve po selendrama I dom kulture u Zitoradji, a slobodno vreme popunjavaju preimenovanjem bolnica, skola, univerzitetskih zgrada I muzeja koje I'm je digao Hrvat iz Kumrovca u Nikolaja Velimirovica I ostale tzv pravoslavne tzv svece. A moj rodjak hirurg predoperaciono stanje pacijenta dobija gledanjem u rezultate dobijene koriscenjem veterinarskog ultrazvuka.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 19, 2010, 02:37:30 AM
How appropriate.

Zivela!
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 19, 2010, 05:07:11 AM

'... ,,Republika Srpska" pak je jezički kič, jer res publika pretvara u res privata, utoliko što pokušava da se definiše preko etničkog identiteta svojih stanovnika...'

http://www.pescanik.net/content/view/5807/61/ (http://www.pescanik.net/content/view/5807/61/)


'...Srbin iz Bosne ima podjednako zajedničkog sa Srbinom iz Beograda kao što Hopi Indijanac ima sa Komančijem...'

http://www.pescanik.net/content/view/5808/1069/ (http://www.pescanik.net/content/view/5808/1069/)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 19, 2010, 05:16:20 AM
indie, a sta imaju zajednicko redneck iz kansas city-ja ili south carolina-e i amerikanac iz NYC?! ili seljak iz juzne srbije i beograDzani ili pak tzv. vojvodjani...

what's your point?!

a da. a sta kazes na vajnu tzv. kosova republjik?!

jos malo batice: GOTOVI SU!    8-)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 19, 2010, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: Дух Који Хода...moj rodjak hirurg predoperaciono stanje pacijenta dobija gledanjem u rezultate dobijene koriscenjem veterinarskog ultrazvuka.

Quote from: Hate mail on October 19, 2010, 02:37:30 AM
How appropriate.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Pareski do on October 19, 2010, 12:42:44 PM
Quote from: indie on October 19, 2010, 05:07:11 AM

'... ,,Republika Srpska" pak je jezički kič, jer res publika pretvara u res privata, utoliko što pokušava da se definiše preko etničkog identiteta svojih stanovnika...'

Именица, не придев (Република Српска). Немам стрпљења да читам глупости, у ком контексту се Шваба надовезао на Српску ламентом над 5. октобром?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 19, 2010, 01:16:42 PM

pridevska imenica, valjda
ima ovde neki sociolingvista..?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Daisy on October 19, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
imam utisak da Pareza pokusava da objasni da Srpska nije pridev vec imenica poput slicnih: Hrvatska, Bugarska, Turska, Madjarska, Danska, Francuska, Finska, Svajcarska ...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 19, 2010, 02:15:50 PM
pareski je u pravu kao i obicno. republika irska, republika srpska itd.     xjap
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Tromotorac on October 19, 2010, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: INI on October 19, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
imam utisak da Pareza pokusava da objasni da Srpska nije pridev vec imenica poput slicnih: Hrvatska, Bugarska, Turska, Madjarska, Danska, Francuska, Finska, Svajcarska ...

Aha rec iz novogovora, nesto kao zrakomlat?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 19, 2010, 05:09:20 PM
Quote from: INI on October 19, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
imam utisak da Pareza pokusava da objasni da Srpska nije pridev vec imenica poput slicnih: Hrvatska, Bugarska, Turska, Madjarska, Danska, Francuska, Finska, Svajcarska ...
То је именица само у тзв. србском и још по неком срболиком језику (нпр. тзв. рвацки). А мора да буде именица јер понекад ваља да стоји и само, без именице (држава, република, краљевина...) уз коју би као придев тек имало смисла. Па су надлежни одлучили....
Ниједна од поменутих држава на неком крштеном језику нема име које је у ствари присвојни придев, изузев чешке (Chzcechtrmrt republic).
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: zagor te nej on October 19, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
To su pesnicka izdrkavanja one zlocinacke drtine Radovana usranoga Karadzica, verovatno nastale u trenucima tihovanja...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 19, 2010, 05:35:27 PM
Bio sam na ratistu kad su promenili "Srpska republika Bosna i Hercegovina" u "Republika Srpska". Nisu hteli nista sa Bosnom, ludaci. A Bosna nasa od doseljavanja na Balkan (tj. od Uzurpacije :mrgreen: ).
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 19, 2010, 10:02:45 PM
Quote from: Che on October 19, 2010, 05:16:20 AM
indie, a sta imaju zajednicko redneck iz kansas city-ja ili south carolina-e i amerikanac iz NYC?! ili seljak iz juzne srbije i beograDzani ili pak tzv. vojvodjani...

what's your point?!

a da. a sta kazes na vajnu tzv. kosova republjik?!

jos malo batice: GOTOVI SU!    8-)

'Seljak iz Juzne Srbije' (Kursumlija-TOplica) mi je bio vencani kum
protiv moje bivse iz Vojvodine (Banat)
(bas me maropnije dovezo svojim pickupom - Peugeot Bipper, 2008.)

da ne bude da te ignorisem...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 19, 2010, 10:15:44 PM
indie,

sto bi rek'o moj drug tarana: " ti nemas rezon, cak ni pogresan..." dakle bolje bi bilo da si me ignorisao.    :)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 19, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Ti i mene zoves drugom a ja ti psujem majku mal' ne svaki dan. Vidis da nemas nikakav rezon?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 19, 2010, 10:21:27 PM
psovanje majki tebi na cast hatemi... time samo pokazujes svoju slabost i los karakter.   xjap
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 19, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
 xrofl
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 20, 2010, 12:22:16 AM
tempo,
psihopata...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: tempo on October 21, 2010, 10:26:08 AM
danijela....
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Ivan_D on October 21, 2010, 12:22:07 PM
Tempo - Tempo?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Pareski do on October 21, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
QuoteSrpska nije pridev vec imenica poput slicnih: Hrvatska, Bugarska, Turska, Madjarska, Danska, Francuska, Finska, Svajcarska ...

QuoteBio sam na ratistu kad su promenili "Srpska republika Bosna i Hercegovina" u "Republika Srpska". Nisu hteli nista sa Bosnom

Сръбска - српскословенски.
Српска - српски

(пр. Войводина Сръбска и Тамишки Банат - Woiwodschaft Serbien und Temeser Banat - Војводство Србије и Тамишки Банат)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Hate mail on October 21, 2010, 01:49:42 PM
Bujrum!
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 21, 2010, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: Pareski do on October 21, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
QuoteSrpska nije pridev vec imenica poput slicnih: Hrvatska, Bugarska, Turska, Madjarska, Danska, Francuska, Finska, Svajcarska ...

QuoteBio sam na ratistu kad su promenili "Srpska republika Bosna i Hercegovina" u "Republika Srpska". Nisu hteli nista sa Bosnom

Сръбска - српскословенски.
Српска - српски

(пр. Войводина Сръбска и Тамишки Банат - Woiwodschaft Serbien und Temeser Banat - Војводство Србије и Тамишки Банат)
Дакле, присвојни придев.
То је већ било.
Шта има ново у врховима власти?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Pareski do on October 21, 2010, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: slawen on October 21, 2010, 02:29:47 PM
Дакле, присвојни придев.

Serbien - именица
serbisch - придев
Serbisch - именица (српски језик)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 21, 2010, 08:24:59 PM
Па то и кажем - на немачком је именица (Србија у генитиву) у својству присвојног придева, на нашем придев (српска) који је консензусом постануо лично име Српска.

Quote from: slawen on October 19, 2010, 05:09:20 PM
Quote from: INI on October 19, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
imam utisak da Pareza pokusava da objasni da Srpska nije pridev vec imenica poput slicnih: Hrvatska, Bugarska, Turska, Madjarska, Danska, Francuska, Finska, Svajcarska ...
То је именица само у тзв. србском и још по неком срболиком језику (нпр. тзв. рвацки). А мора да буде именица јер понекад ваља да стоји и само, без именице (држава, република, краљевина...) уз коју би као придев тек имало смисла. Па су надлежни одлучили....
Ниједна од поменутих држава на неком крштеном језику нема име које је у ствари присвојни придев, изузев чешке (Chzcechtrmrt republic).
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 21, 2010, 09:52:15 PM
polska..?
(al dobro, braca славени, tako da se oprasta...)

znaci: pridevna imenica
i dosta vise...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 22, 2010, 05:49:06 AM
Quote from: indie on October 21, 2010, 09:52:15 PM
polska..?

На ком је то језику?
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 22, 2010, 06:18:51 AM
na polskom, valda...


'.. Polska), officially the Republic of Poland (Rzeczpospolita Polska)...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland)
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 22, 2010, 06:25:08 AM
Quote from: slawen on October 21, 2010, 08:24:59 PM
Па то и кажем - на немачком је именица (Србија у генитиву) у својству присвојног придева, на нашем придев (српска) који је консензусом постануо лично име Српска.

Quote from: slawen on October 19, 2010, 05:09:20 PM
Quote from: INI on October 19, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
imam utisak da Pareza pokusava da objasni da Srpska nije pridev vec imenica poput slicnih: Hrvatska, Bugarska, Turska, Madjarska, Danska, Francuska, Finska, Svajcarska ...
То је именица само у тзв. србском и још по неком срболиком језику (нпр. тзв. рвацки). А мора да буде именица јер понекад ваља да стоји и само, без именице (држава, република, краљевина...) уз коју би као придев тек имало смисла. Па су надлежни одлучили....
Ниједна од поменутих држава на неком крштеном језику нема име које је у ствари присвојни придев, изузев чешке (Chzcechtrmrt republic).
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 22, 2010, 07:30:42 AM
ma opusteno
sace ceca za 5 minuta...

u to ime...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Pareski do on October 22, 2010, 08:11:02 AM
Quote from: slawen on October 21, 2010, 08:24:59 PM
Па то и кажем - на немачком је именица (Србија у генитиву) у својству присвојног придева,

О немачком имам само површна знања али зар не би онда требало да буде Woiwodschaft der Serbien?

Све у свему, очеви-оснивачи Републике Српске су прибегли уметничкој слободи - Српска као придев (тако се и користи, данас у Српској, за љепшу Српску) што није противно духу српске ономастике. У Зети наиме постоји село Српска (http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%28%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%29). На послу немам Ономастику Зете (Стаматовић 1994) али ћу проверити да ли је етник Српшчанин како пише у чланку или Српштанин/Српштанка (?)

Словенски језици заиста имају ту версатилност што се тиче имена држава - Словенија (Словеначка, архаично), Чешка (Čechy, Czechy на пољском), Хрватска (Хорватия, руски), Шлезија (Шлеска), Моравска (Моравија), Словачка (Slovensko), Бугарска (Б'лгарија)... Пре бих рекао да су облици на и(ј)а латински варваризми а облици на ки/ко изворне словенске етимологије
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 22, 2010, 08:21:04 AM
Quote from: Pareski do on October 22, 2010, 08:11:02 AM
Словенски језици заиста имају ту версатилност што се тиче имена држава - Словенија (Словеначка, архаично), Мађарска, Чешка, Хрватска, Шлезија (Шлеска), Моравска, Пољска, Словачка (Slovensko), Бугарска (Б'лгарија), Грчка...
Ето, најзад.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: slawen on October 22, 2010, 08:24:59 AM
... и Дер Зербиа, не Дер Зербиен, мислим.
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: indie on October 22, 2010, 08:28:43 AM
kakav bluz
zasu...
Title: Re: Serbia: A Weimar Republic?
Post by: Che2 on October 22, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
vi drugovi se igrate tzv. gluvih telefona sto bi rekao moj drug hatemi... vidim da ni jedan njemacki ne poznajete, a ipak raspravljate sta je pravilno.    :roll: