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Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

From the Match 23 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

Beck je leceni alkos koji je mozak skroz spalio alkoholom i drogama. To sto izlazi iz njegovih usta su energetska praznjenja spaljenih sinapsi.

Quote from: zagor te nej on March 31, 2010, 01:25:36 PM
Beck je leceni alkos koji je mozak skroz spalio alkoholom i drogama. To sto izlazi iz njegovih usta su energetska praznjenja spaljenih sinapsi.

...a sta su njegovi verni gledatelji?  Ti mora da su jos gori od njega i gluplji ....tejlesi???

Quote from: vbo man on March 31, 2010, 03:22:10 AM

Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

sta kaze Zika Obretkovic po ovom pitanju? Missim kada vec povlacimo big guns.

Zagore: to sto Beck radi nema veze sa alkoholizmom. Tip je djubre, vrlo verovatno oportunista i dripac. A to sto radi radi jako dobro.

Nije on bas savim normalan. Ne moze normalan copvek da se zaplche deset puta dnevno pred kamerom. Al' pazi zapleta, tip je mormon-alkoholicar.

Quote from: zagor te nej on March 31, 2010, 02:33:45 PM
Nije on bas savim normalan. Ne moze normalan copvek da se zaplche deset puta dnevno pred kamerom. Al' pazi zapleta, tip je mormon-alkoholicar.

dobar glumac moze da place na 'que' a drzim da je Beck dobar glumac.

So fckn what ako je ex-alkoholicar? To ti nije bas pristojan argument. Ako se ne slazes sa njegovim misljenjem, stilom, kazi tako, a ne djonom.

Svakom mozes da iskopas dirt in the past, ali to je vrlo ruzna praksa diskvalifikacije.

Sto so fcking what? Znaci da je slab, neuracunljiv, unreliable. 

 :roll:

Svi ti leceni alkosi i narkomani su najveci bible salesmani na svetu. Otkrio Hesusa, spasao ga od flase, bullshit like that.
Da je bio normalan to begin with, ne bi se cepao kilachom whiskey-a dnevno...I sad ja treba da slusam sta jedna nakrivo nasadjena budala ima da kaze o politici? Please.

Kako hoces. Meni te argumentacije bazirane na necijoj proslosti nista ne znace. Ako ti se neko ne svidja, objasni mi sta tacno ne valja a ne od cega se lecio, ili sta je radio pre 20 god. Bar u mom rasudjivanju, ja tako razmisljam:

Don't inquire into a person's past. Take the measure of a man for what he is today.

PS. Obama je takodje probao svakakve droge, prema licnom priznanju u svojim "auto-" hagiografijama, pa  ga opet ne smatram narkomanom.

Pa ja sam prvo bip apsolutno zgrozen bujicom besmislica koja mu izlazi iz usta, i ponasanjem ove individue, pa sam onda procitao kojesta o njemu, i meni je sasvim logicno da je danasnji Beck posledica Becka u proteklih 25-30 godina. Becka koji se, po sopstvenom priznanju nije razabirao od kojecega decenijama. I mislim da je prosto ponizavajuce uzimati za ozbiljno jednu takvu budalu.

u pravu ste svi....ima dosta pristojnog sveta koji su nekad bili alkosi pa su odustali i zive normalan zivot...a ima i masu tih ponovorodjenih bolesnika koji su sad vece pape nad papama. Ne moze se generalizovati. Ovaj je teski psihopata, kao i onaj drugi, kako se zove... Rush Limbaugh. I to su ljudi koji su ovde medju najpopularnijim tv licnostima. Tells a lot about the society and its values  :(

Rush nije psihopata, one je businessman, nasao ekipu koju moze da lozi po ceo dan, otkida se od para, ja sam licno ubedjen da on ne veruje u recimo pola onoga sto kaze.
A ja se ovih born again krshcana koi su to postali jer nisu mogli da istanu iz kreveta bez litre Sky-ja plasim. Zapadni talibani.

Negde sam nedavno video definiciju te "publike": mouth-breathing Bible-beaters.

Quote from: zagor te nej on March 31, 2010, 03:46:09 PM
Rush nije psihopata, one je businessman, nasao ekipu koju moze da lozi po ceo dan, otkida se od para, ja sam licno ubedjen da on ne veruje u recimo pola onoga sto kaze.
A ja se ovih born again krshcana koi su to postali jer nisu mogli da istanu iz kreveta bez litre Sky-ja plasim. Zapadni talibani.

pa treba biti psihopata da bi se od takvog lozenja napravio biznis. Za zapadne talibane si sasvim u pravu. S tim sto su ti talibanci part and parcel ovog drustva od samog pocetka.

Ne, to se zove sociopata. Ima ih dosta i u investment bankingu itd.

Ma jok, treba biti oportunista, nikakve to veze sa sociopatijom nema.

Izvini, ali znam nekoliko sociopata u ovom biznisu.

Ja pricam o Rushu...

I on je sociopata. Svako ko lozi majmune radi personalnog ili probitka neke grupe je sociopata.

Da li je Keith Olberman sociopata? Bill Mahr? Chris Matthews?

Quote from: zagor te nej on March 31, 2010, 03:26:58 PM
Svi ti leceni alkosi i narkomani su najveci bible salesmani na svetu. Otkrio Hesusa, spasao ga od flase, bullshit like that.
Da je bio normalan to begin with, ne bi se cepao kilachom whiskey-a dnevno...I sad ja treba da slusam sta jedna nakrivo nasadjena budala ima da kaze o politici? Please.

Hang on.
Jel on leceni alkos ili jos uvek alkos?

Naravno da su najveci bible salesmani - nije li to logicno? Sve te navlakuse (addictions) su mahom nekakav nedostatak necega u zivotu, covek se pogubi u vremenu i prostoru. Za izbavljanje odatle je potrebno promeniti nesto, bukvalno postati drugi covek.

Isus leci od flase fantasticno...

I na kraju, neko je vec rekao, x-alkos je BIO alkos, sada vise nije. Aj' da vidim tebe golube, deder se navuci na neke maligane pa mi kazi lako li je da se skines.

A sto bi to uradio?
Normalan covek zna za meru u zivotu. Pogledaj Beckov show, ti vidis da on jednostavno ne zna sta je mera u bilo cemu.

Znate sta mene izbacuje iz takta? Oni ludaci sto stoje po coskovima ili po ionako crowded prolazima i drugim nabudzenim prostorima mass transita sa onim "Watchtower" svescicama koje pokusavaju da ti utrape. Stoje kao svece po ceo dan tako, ponekad ne mogu da ih obidjem ili - kao u poslednja 2-3 jebena dana - po kishi mi se unose u facu pa moram da pokisnem da bih obisao te majmune.

kako bih slatko isutirao tu ekipu.

Beck je izlecen. Takodje, on je TV persona, naravno da je dramoser. Njima smeta konzervativna poruka, a stil i background je samo izgovor.


Ja sam imao kolegu u Illinoisu koji je bio ono sto Zagor naziva 'born again', tip koji je nekad sve sto nevalja, buntovnik, alkoholicar, verovatno i na drogama, duga kosa, Harley i te radnje, i onda se covek ozenio, izlecio nasao crkvu i promenio se. Potpuno se promenio.   Bio je izuzento tih, smiren, pun razumevanja, zainteresovan za mene imigranta/moju kulturu odakle sam, i sve ukupno dobar kolega.  Citao bibliju na pauzama, isao u fitness center na pauzi za rucak.

Jednom prilikm mi je ucinio neku uslugu i ja mu rekoh kako da ti se zahvalim; on je malo razmislio i rekao, da jednom odem sa njim u njegovu crkvu. Ja odugovlacio nekoliko meseci i jednog vikenda, 'ajde nema vise smisla da izbegavam, nemam vise izgovora i odem sa njim. Bilo je divno, lepo, ljudi pristojni, sve poruke primerne, bilo svega i smeha i suza, pesme, molitve, ljudi to vole.

Sa tom osobom i njegovom porodicom sam i danas nakon 5 godina odlaska iz IL u dobrom kontaktu. Divni ljudi, u svakom pogledu.


I sad mi Zagor kaze da su ex-alcoholic bible-salesmen najgori ljudi koji su ikad hodali na zemlji? Ma hajde.

Pa dobro, ako ti mozes da gledas show coveka koji mrtav ozbiljan tvrdi da FEMA priprema koncentracione kampove za politicko prevaspitavanje, be my guest.  :o Ja sam recimo ubedjen da iko ko tako nesto moze da tvrdi jednostavno nije zdrav. But let's agree to disagree, izgleda da je to najdalje sto cemo da postignemo ovde.

Moj klinac ima prijatelja iz religiozne porodice. Fini ljudi, i jednom odemo u njihovu crkvu jer im je sin igrao u nekoj predstavi, pa nas hteo da vidi. Bogte, kao da sam usao u Hondin dealership. Svi te salecu, pozdravljaju, kezovi....
Nisu ljudi losi, ali nije to za mene. A za bible salesmane - ako bi pustili da im dete umre jer mu ne daju transfuziju, to su za mene losi ljudi. Ne zanimaju me njihovi motivi, shvatanja itd vec samo ponasanje.

Quote from: Tromotorac on March 31, 2010, 06:19:27 PM



I sad mi Zagor kaze da su ex-alcoholic bible-salesmen najgori ljudi koji su ikad hodali na zemlji? Ma hajde.

Ja ne kazem da su najgori, ja ti kazem da se takvih klanjam, od sveta u kom ti ljudi zive me jeza hvata. Taj tvoj je mozda najfiniji covek na svetu, nemam  pojma, sto ti ne bih verovao. Ali, najiskrenije, cim neko kaze da je born again ja se okrenem i idem svojim poslom. Imao sam prilike da vidim transformaciju nekoga u to, pa to je zastrasucuje. Sa sve home schoolingom dece itd.

Dobro, nisam slusao Becka skorije pa nisam znao za to sa FEMA-om. To mu je malo preterano, ako ista FEMA planira u tom pravcu to je verovatno za kontaminaciju/outbreak contamination. 
Njegove emisije sam gledao pre par meseci, gde je prikazivao ljude koje je Obama postavio za "careve" i tu nije uopste gresio. Obama je politicki odrastao medju socijalistima/kripto-komunistima, i tu nema sta da se laze. Beck je bio prvi koji je poceo da prica o tome - i otud mrznja prema njemu.

Kad se neki glumac ili sportista vrati iz drug-rehab, obicno ga kuju u zvezde. Koliko je Robert Downey Jr. imao relapses, pa nista i dalje je rado vidjen gost na TV. Beck je omrzen zbog njegovog konzervativnog stava, ne zbog drugog.

Elem...

Ja sam otprilike kao Pijanista. Lepo, svaka cast onima koji to vole, ali takav zivot nije za nas. Isto, ako odu u ekstrem i izbegavaju medicinu, onda je to zlo.

Nego, on a more important note, TV je super :)

 :!: :|

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Pre oko godinu dana dobila sam koleginicu koja je jedna od tih born again. Mada dosta saradjujemo, nisam imala pojma. Znala sam samo da je veoma, veoma religiozna. Redovni, dvonedeljni odlasci u crkvu, nonstop citanje Biblije, ne gledanje televizije, i uglavnom kontakti i komunikacije (van posla) samo i iskljucivo sa ljudima kao sto je ona. Mi uglavnom pricamo o prosveti, nastavi, deci, djacima, studentima.... Nisam imala pojma da je novorodjena, dok mi njena prijateljica to nije spomenula.

Ta zena je jedna od najlepsih (ne estetski, mada jeste i tako lepa) osoba koje sam u zivotu srela. Mila, prijatna, posvecena deci (radi sa decom vise od 25 godina), neverovatno nesto...

Prva religiozna osoba koju sam srela i koja zivi onako kako bi, koliko ja znam, prava hriscanka zivela. Po prvi put u zivotu sam pomislila da biti hriscanin i dobra osoba nisu contradictio in terminis.

Zemljo otvori se....

QuoteThe Washington Monthly

    QUOTE OF THE DAY.... A 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll released the other day found that 50% of respondents would be willing to support an openly-gay presidential candidate. The Family Research Council, a prominent religious right group with ties to the Republican leadership, suggested yesterday that President Obama may effectively (not literally) already be "our first gay president." (via Right Wing Watch)

        f it was argued during his two terms in office that Bill Clinton was "our first black President" because of his supposed liberal policies that would benefit African-Americans (though I'm not quite sure what President Clinton did, that he wasn't forced to do, that would benefit any minority except for Chinese monks with political donations to spend.) With that argument shouldn't Barack Obama already be our "first gay President" due to his liberal policies pushing the homosexual agenda?

    The Family Research Council isn't saying President Obama is gay; it's saying President Obama might as well be considered gay, the same way Bill Clinton was considered black.

    And the religious right wonders why it's so hard to take their movement seriously.

Mark Steyn
April 3, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Parochially Post-American

It wasn't the "reset" button President Obama hit; it was the ejector-seat button.

 

Hillary Clinton, America's secretary of state, was in Canada last week. She criticized Ottawa for not inviting aboriginal groups to a meeting on the Arctic, and for not including the facilitation of abortion in the Canadian government's "maternal health" initiative to developing countries. These might seem curious priorities for the global superpower at a time of war, but, with such a full plate over at the State Department, it's no wonder that peripheral matters like Iranian nuclear deadlines seem to fall by the wayside.

Stephen Harper, prime minister of Canada, took U.S. criticisms in his stride. "Whether it comes to our role in Afghanistan, our sovereignty over our Arctic, or ultimately our foreign aid priorities, it is Canada and Canadians who will make Canadian decisions," he said. Judging from the chill in the room at his and the secretary of state's joint photo-op, the Canadian Arctic now extends pretty much to the U.S. border.

The Obama administration came into office promising to press the "reset" button with the rest of the world after eight years of the so-called arrogant, swaggering Texan cowboy blundering his way around the planet offending peoples from many lands. Instead, Obama pressed the ejector-seat button: Brits, Czechs, Israelis, Indians found themselves given the brush. I gather the Queen was "amused" by the president's thoughtful gift of an iPod preloaded with Obama speeches — and, fortunately for Her Majesty, the 160GB model only has storage capacity for two of them, or three if you include one of his shorter perorations. But Gordon Brown would like to be liked by Barack Obama, and can't understand why he isn't.

There is much speculation on the "root cause" of presidential antipathy to America's formerly closest ally. It is said his grandfather was ill treated by the authorities in colonial Kenya in the 1940s, which seems as good a basis as any on which to reorder 21st century bilateral relations, or at any rate as good as the proportion of the Canadian overseas-aid budget devoted to abortion promotion. But I doubt insensitive British policing two-thirds of a century ago weighs that heavy on the president. After all, his brother back in Kenya lives on twelve bucks a year, and that doesn't seem to bother him, so it's hard to see why ancient slights to his grandfather would — except insofar as they confirm the general biases of his collegiate-Left worldview.

In that sense, those who argue that, having been born in Hawaii and been at grade school in Indonesia, he lacks the instinctive Atlanticism of his predecessors are missing the point. Yes, he has no instinctive Atlanticism. But that's not because of a childhood spent in the Pacific but because of an adulthood spent among the campus Left from Bill Ayers to Van Jones, not to mention Jeremiah Wright. That also conveniently explains not just the anti-Atlanticism but the anti-Zionism, at least until the scholars uncover some sinister Jewish banker in Nairobi who seized the family home after the braying Brit-imperialist toff tossed Grampa Obama behind bars. Perhaps a singing Mountie yodeling selections from Rose-Marie beneath his jailhouse window all night explains the president's revulsion to Canadian Arctic policy. Perhaps the Gujarati fakir sharing his cell and keeping Grampa up all night with his snake charming accounts for Obama's 18-month cold shoulder to India. And you can hardly blame him postponing his trip to Australia given the lingering resentments after Grampa was bitten by a rabid wombat down by the billabong who then ran off with his didgeridoo.

Fascinating as these psychological speculations are, we may be overthinking the situation. It's not just the president. The entire administration suffers, to put it at its mildest, from systemic indifference to American allies. It wasn't Obama but a mere aide who sneered to Fleet Street reporters that Britain was merely one of 200 countries in the world and shouldn't expect any better treatment than any of the others. It wasn't Obama but the State Department that leaked Hillary Clinton's dressing down of Prime Minister Netanyahu. Ally-belittling comes so reflexively to this administration that it's now doing drive-by bird-flipping. I doubt Secretary Clinton intended to change American policy when she was down in Argentina the other day and out of the blue demanded negotiations on the Falkland Islands. I would imagine she is entirely ignorant and indifferent on the subject, and calling for negotiations seemed the easy option — works for Iran and North Korea, right?

As to Canadian funding of Third World abortion, the secretary of state was simply defaulting to her own tropes: If she sounds more like the chair of Planned Parenthood than the principal spokesman for American foreign policy, well, hasn't she always? In a 2003 autobiography almost as long and as unreadable as the health-care bill, she offered little on world affairs other than the following insights: France's Bernadette Chirac is "an elegant, cultured woman." Nicaragua's Violeta Chamorro is "an elegant, striking woman." Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto is "a brilliant and striking woman." Canada's Aline Chrétien is "intelligent, sharply observant and elegant." But Russia's Naina Yeltsin is merely "personable and articulate." Alas, since taking office, the Obama administration hasn't found Gordon Brown, Stephen Harper, Binyamin Netanyahu, Nicolas Sarkozy, Václav Klaus, or Manmohan Singh the least bit elegant, cultured, striking, elegant, brilliant, elegant, striking, elegant, sharply observant, elegant, or even personable and articulate.

One of the oddest features of the scene is attributed to the president's "cool," which seems to be the euphemism of choice for what, in less stellar executives, would be regarded as an unappealing combination of coldness and self-absorption. I forget which long-ago foreign minister responded to an invitation to lunch with an adversary by saying "I'm not hungry," but Obama seems to reserve the line for his "friends." Visiting France, he declined to dine with the Sarkozys. Visiting Norway, he declined to dine with the king at a banquet thrown explicitly in Obama's honor. The other day, the president declined to dine with Netanyahu even though the Israeli prime minister was his guest in the White House at the time. The British prime minister, five times rebuffed in his attempt to book a date, had to make do with a perfunctory walk 'n' talk through the kitchens of the U.N. Obama's shtick as a candidate was that he was the guy who'd talk to anyone, anytime, anywhere. Instead, he recoils from all but the most minimal contact with the world.

John Bolton calls him "the first post-American president" and is punctilious enough to add that he doesn't mean "un-American" or "anti-American." In his Berlin speech, he presented himself as a "citizen of the world," which, whatever else it means, suggests an indifference to America's role as guarantor of the global order. The postponement of his Australian trip in order to ram health care down the throats of the American people was a neat distillation of the reality of his priorities: A transformative domestic agenda must necessarily come at the price of America's global role. One-worldism is often a convenient cover for ignorance: You'd be hard pressed to find a self-proclaimed "multiculturalist" who can tell you the capital of Lesotho or the principal exports of Bhutan. And so it is with liberal internationalism: The citoyen du monde is the most parochial president of modern times.

— Mark Steyn, a National Review columnist, is author of America Alone. © 2010 Mark Steyn.

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Pijanisto mozes li da smanjis sliku ili da stavis samo link, sjebo si mi ceo ekran.

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 15, 2010, 12:12:56 AM
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u jebote koji argumenti - GET nemoj reci da se palis na ovakve stvari?
mora da je Obama sam radio taj logo ili je bio pitan kako ce logo da ispadne...nema pametnija posla do da salje sumbliminalne poruke. obaska sto je svakom ko ima vise od par razreda osnovne jasno da je u pitanju elektron koji orbitira oko protona.

Nego, evo da sam ja musliman, prvo sto me ovo NE bi navelo na pomisao da mi se titraju jajca te da lici na MOJU zastavu, a drugo cak i da mi lici na zastavu bas bi me bolelo - ne bi tome pridavao nikakvog znacaja. Eno mi visi prava zastava a za ove tzv. 'poruke' bi me bas bolelo jer niti su nedvosmislene niti ista time pokazuju, dokazuju, meni licno nude...

Znas kako Alane, ti ovo gledas kao inzinjer, i kao delimicno simpatizer.

Ja ovo posmatram kroz communication theory - medium is the message. Amblem ima intrinsic message. Ovi Obamini amblemi se drasticno razlikuju od bilo cega drugog u istoriji US heraldike. Sve ima svoju poruku, makar subliminal / subconscous / state of the mind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/stewart-hammers-fox-news_n_538584.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/stewart-hammers-fox-news_n_538584.html)

Kralj...

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 15, 2010, 06:28:46 PM
Znas kako Alane, ti ovo gledas kao inzinjer, i kao delimicno simpatizer.

ja verujem da ti ovo posmatras sa dozom pristrasnosti pa ti sve lici na prevaru. Razmisli kada si u zivotu video neki znak, logo nesto slicno negde koji je na jedan potpuno skriven nacin nesto tebi licno trebao da znaci? Imas li primera? Da li se palis na te subliminalne poruke upucene tebi? U stvari jos bolje pitanje je ima li ih?

Jon Stewart je lek za kretene sa Foxa.

Quote from: alan ford on April 15, 2010, 04:31:15 PM

obaska sto je svakom ko ima vise od par razreda osnovne jasno da je u pitanju elektron koji orbitira oko protona.

Мени није.

Особито стога што се и данас, мислим, као и у време кад сам ја ишао у школу сматра да само атом водоника, који се у природи никада не налази у атомском облику, има један електрон који је "размазан" по својој орбити чинећи тако електронску љуску...

Да си рекао Месец, па 'ајде....

Hahaha, vidi se da si citao "Galaksiju": taj termin "razmazan" je bio u jednom od prevedenih tekstova iz zapadnih popular science magazina koje je "Galaksija" mahom i donosila (neki broj iz ranih 80-tih) a gde je tema bila upravo kvantna (hromo)dinamika.

Pocetkom septembra 1987., u prvom razredu elektrotehnicke skole, na jednom od prvih casova (obicno je bio dvocas) Osnova Elektrotehnike sa Elektricnim Merenjima nastavnik upravo objasnjava onako za decu orbite elektrona i pita razred a ja mu kazem: "Nije tacno; putanja elektrona uopste nije putanja nego je razmazana, tj. postoji oblak verovatnoce da ce on u nekom trenutku negde biti".

On spustio ruke po strani i gleda me. :mrgreen:

Posle prve dve godine nam je bio i razredni a predavao nam je kasnije i 2-3 strucna predmeta (Elektricne masine sa ogledima, Elektricna pokretanja, Automatsko upravljanje elektromotornim pogonima) i bio sam mu jedan od najboljih; ajd sto me je gotivio (zapravo me je zagotivio tek u 2. razredu kada sam razvaljivao Osnove Elektrotehnike II, Elektricna/Merenja u Energetici) nego mi to stvarno islo.

But I digress...

Заправо сам у 2. разреду средње био математички смер (то је било као неко предусмерење) и то из сасвим бизарног разлога: после првог разреда, на упису у други, од четири смера (природно-научни, језички, математички и још неки богапитај како се звао) само испред тог шалтера није било никог да чека за предају докумената, док су пред остала три били километарски редови. Наравно, ко ће да чека и тако....
Занимљиво је да сам само ја, једна несрећница која је "тајно" била смртно заљубљена у мене још од другог основне и свуда ме у стопу пратила па шта кошта да кошта и још троје деце намерно уписали овај смер; остатак до два'ес пет-шест ђака у одељењу попуњен је поновцима и онима који су полагали математику или физику у августу. Посерем се на Србију и у то име.
Можеш да замислиш одушевљење код професора кад су их угледали.

Међу таквим дијаболама није био никакав проблем просперирати у смислу да нисам морао ни у школу да идем, а да опет будем одликаш. Наравно, цена коју сам за такво школовање платио била је огромна.

zanimljiva su mi ova tumacenja logo-a i iz jednog drugog ugla; ugla u kome da bi ljudski mozak nesto shvatio te znao kako da kategorizuje kako bi ga smestio u odgovarajucu 'fijoku'. Citao sam nedavno kako mozak tesko shvata 'randomness' (kako se to kaze srpski - nasumicnost?) i haoticnost te da u svemu pronalazi nekakvu logiku, red i niz i na taj nacin ga tumaci i shvata. Naravno sve te tako date karakteristike su krajnje netacne ali su neophodne.

Tako nekako je verujem i sa logo, ali ne samo logom vec i mnogo cime vezano i ne vezano za Obamu. U konkretnom slucaju postoji potreba da nesto nekako povezemo sa necime, u ovom slucaju to'necime' je Obamina naklonjenost muslimanima, neposedovanje krstenice, nepatriotizam. A kreacija logo-a je verujem potpuno 'nasumican' dogadjaj kome Obama nije prisustvovao, niti na ikoji nacin doprineo.

Možda je autor pravio logo tako da se naročito dopadne precedniku?

u to ne sumnjam. taj tim grafickih dizajnera sto je radio logo sigurno ima sefa, koji opet ima sefa koji verovatno ima pristup Obami i svima je u cilju da impresioniraju sefa.
U kom slucaju bi onda ovo bila zavera sirih razmera.

(http://www.dummocrats.com/images/x/2009/grope_001.jpg)

:mrgreen:

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 05, 2010, 06:49:19 PM
Mark Steyn
April 3, 2010 12:00 A.M.
Parochially Post-American

It wasn't the "reset" button President Obama hit; it was the ejector-seat button.

 

Hillary Clinton, America's secretary of state, was in Canada last week. She criticized Ottawa for not inviting aboriginal groups to a meeting on the Arctic, and for not including the facilitation of abortion in the Canadian government's "maternal health" initiative to developing countries. These might seem curious priorities for the global superpower at a time of war, but, with such a full plate over at the State Department, it's no wonder that peripheral matters like Iranian nuclear deadlines seem to fall by the wayside.

Stephen Harper, prime minister of Canada, took U.S. criticisms in his stride. "Whether it comes to our role in Afghanistan, our sovereignty over our Arctic, or ultimately our foreign aid priorities, it is Canada and Canadians who will make Canadian decisions," he said. Judging from the chill in the room at his and the secretary of state's joint photo-op, the Canadian Arctic now extends pretty much to the U.S. border.

The Obama administration came into office promising to press the "reset" button with the rest of the world after eight years of the so-called arrogant, swaggering Texan cowboy blundering his way around the planet offending peoples from many lands. Instead, Obama pressed the ejector-seat button: Brits, Czechs, Israelis, Indians found themselves given the brush. I gather the Queen was "amused" by the president's thoughtful gift of an iPod preloaded with Obama speeches — and, fortunately for Her Majesty, the 160GB model only has storage capacity for two of them, or three if you include one of his shorter perorations. But Gordon Brown would like to be liked by Barack Obama, and can't understand why he isn't.

There is much speculation on the "root cause" of presidential antipathy to America's formerly closest ally. It is said his grandfather was ill treated by the authorities in colonial Kenya in the 1940s, which seems as good a basis as any on which to reorder 21st century bilateral relations, or at any rate as good as the proportion of the Canadian overseas-aid budget devoted to abortion promotion. But I doubt insensitive British policing two-thirds of a century ago weighs that heavy on the president. After all, his brother back in Kenya lives on twelve bucks a year, and that doesn't seem to bother him, so it's hard to see why ancient slights to his grandfather would — except insofar as they confirm the general biases of his collegiate-Left worldview.

In that sense, those who argue that, having been born in Hawaii and been at grade school in Indonesia, he lacks the instinctive Atlanticism of his predecessors are missing the point. Yes, he has no instinctive Atlanticism. But that's not because of a childhood spent in the Pacific but because of an adulthood spent among the campus Left from Bill Ayers to Van Jones, not to mention Jeremiah Wright. That also conveniently explains not just the anti-Atlanticism but the anti-Zionism, at least until the scholars uncover some sinister Jewish banker in Nairobi who seized the family home after the braying Brit-imperialist toff tossed Grampa Obama behind bars. Perhaps a singing Mountie yodeling selections from Rose-Marie beneath his jailhouse window all night explains the president's revulsion to Canadian Arctic policy. Perhaps the Gujarati fakir sharing his cell and keeping Grampa up all night with his snake charming accounts for Obama's 18-month cold shoulder to India. And you can hardly blame him postponing his trip to Australia given the lingering resentments after Grampa was bitten by a rabid wombat down by the billabong who then ran off with his didgeridoo.

Fascinating as these psychological speculations are, we may be overthinking the situation. It's not just the president. The entire administration suffers, to put it at its mildest, from systemic indifference to American allies. It wasn't Obama but a mere aide who sneered to Fleet Street reporters that Britain was merely one of 200 countries in the world and shouldn't expect any better treatment than any of the others. It wasn't Obama but the State Department that leaked Hillary Clinton's dressing down of Prime Minister Netanyahu. Ally-belittling comes so reflexively to this administration that it's now doing drive-by bird-flipping. I doubt Secretary Clinton intended to change American policy when she was down in Argentina the other day and out of the blue demanded negotiations on the Falkland Islands. I would imagine she is entirely ignorant and indifferent on the subject, and calling for negotiations seemed the easy option — works for Iran and North Korea, right?

As to Canadian funding of Third World abortion, the secretary of state was simply defaulting to her own tropes: If she sounds more like the chair of Planned Parenthood than the principal spokesman for American foreign policy, well, hasn't she always? In a 2003 autobiography almost as long and as unreadable as the health-care bill, she offered little on world affairs other than the following insights: France's Bernadette Chirac is "an elegant, cultured woman." Nicaragua's Violeta Chamorro is "an elegant, striking woman." Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto is "a brilliant and striking woman." Canada's Aline Chrétien is "intelligent, sharply observant and elegant." But Russia's Naina Yeltsin is merely "personable and articulate." Alas, since taking office, the Obama administration hasn't found Gordon Brown, Stephen Harper, Binyamin Netanyahu, Nicolas Sarkozy, Václav Klaus, or Manmohan Singh the least bit elegant, cultured, striking, elegant, brilliant, elegant, striking, elegant, sharply observant, elegant, or even personable and articulate.

One of the oddest features of the scene is attributed to the president's "cool," which seems to be the euphemism of choice for what, in less stellar executives, would be regarded as an unappealing combination of coldness and self-absorption. I forget which long-ago foreign minister responded to an invitation to lunch with an adversary by saying "I'm not hungry," but Obama seems to reserve the line for his "friends." Visiting France, he declined to dine with the Sarkozys. Visiting Norway, he declined to dine with the king at a banquet thrown explicitly in Obama's honor. The other day, the president declined to dine with Netanyahu even though the Israeli prime minister was his guest in the White House at the time. The British prime minister, five times rebuffed in his attempt to book a date, had to make do with a perfunctory walk 'n' talk through the kitchens of the U.N. Obama's shtick as a candidate was that he was the guy who'd talk to anyone, anytime, anywhere. Instead, he recoils from all but the most minimal contact with the world.

John Bolton calls him "the first post-American president" and is punctilious enough to add that he doesn't mean "un-American" or "anti-American." In his Berlin speech, he presented himself as a "citizen of the world," which, whatever else it means, suggests an indifference to America's role as guarantor of the global order. The postponement of his Australian trip in order to ram health care down the throats of the American people was a neat distillation of the reality of his priorities: A transformative domestic agenda must necessarily come at the price of America's global role. One-worldism is often a convenient cover for ignorance: You'd be hard pressed to find a self-proclaimed "multiculturalist" who can tell you the capital of Lesotho or the principal exports of Bhutan. And so it is with liberal internationalism: The citoyen du monde is the most parochial president of modern times.

— Mark Steyn, a National Review columnist, is author of America Alone. © 2010 Mark Steyn.

tek sad sam procitala...zanimljiv clanak, hvala na kacenju....

Quote from: alan ford on April 15, 2010, 04:31:15 PM

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 15, 2010, 12:12:56 AM
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/04/14/logo-for-obamas-nuclear-security-summit-looks-oddly-familiar/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2010/04/14/logo-for-obamas-nuclear-security-summit-looks-oddly-familiar/)

u jebote koji argumenti - GET nemoj reci da se palis na ovakve stvari?
mora da je Obama sam radio taj logo ili je bio pitan kako ce logo da ispadne...nema pametnija posla do da salje sumbliminalne poruke. obaska sto je svakom ko ima vise od par razreda osnovne jasno da je u pitanju elektron koji orbitira oko protona.

Nego, evo da sam ja musliman, prvo sto me ovo NE bi navelo na pomisao da mi se titraju jajca te da lici na MOJU zastavu, a drugo cak i da mi lici na zastavu bas bi me bolelo - ne bi tome pridavao nikakvog znacaja. Eno mi visi prava zastava a za ove tzv. 'poruke' bi me bas bolelo jer niti su nedvosmislene niti ista time pokazuju, dokazuju, meni licno nude...

slazem se, besposlen pop jarice krsti...

Quote from: zagor te nej on April 15, 2010, 06:41:41 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/stewart-hammers-fox-news_n_538584.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/stewart-hammers-fox-news_n_538584.html)

Kralj...

ne radi link, ima li negde drugde da se vidi?

Quote from: alan ford on April 16, 2010, 02:23:39 PM
u to ne sumnjam. taj tim grafickih dizajnera sto je radio logo sigurno ima sefa, koji opet ima sefa koji verovatno ima pristup Obami i svima je u cilju da impresioniraju sefa.
U kom slucaju bi onda ovo bila zavera sirih razmera.

Сад схваташ праве димензије проблема, који тако олако миноризујеш.  :mrgreen:

okacila sam na fb i tamo se vidi...hahahaha...kralj :)

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/policy/articles/historic_health_care_bill_passes.html (http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/policy/articles/historic_health_care_bill_passes.html)

jebali ih krugovi....evo sa ovog skrecu paznju:  (moje je boldovano)


Historic Health Care Bill Passes


In a historic climax to a bitter year-long political battle, on March 21 the House of Representatives narrowly approved a Senate bill to overhaul the nation's health care system. With President Obama's signature, the bill immediately became law.

In the turbulent days leading up to passage, Obama and Democratic leaders contended not only with fierce opposition from Republicans, none of whom voted for it, but also with the reluctance of some House Democrats who objected to certain provisions in the Senate bill. In the end, those members agreed to approve both the Senate bill, by a 219-212 vote, and a package of changes to it that, at press time, is expected to pass the Senate.

The landmark legislation represents an achievement for Obama that other presidents—Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton—sought unsuccessfully for nearly a century.

The law will extend health coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans, penalize many employers who do not offer coverage and individuals who do not purchase it, provide subsidies for people with limited and moderate incomes, and bar insurers from rejecting people with preexisting conditions.

Provisions that take effect within a year include: banning insurers from arbitrarily canceling or limiting coverage; providing tax credits to small businesses that offer coverage; providing temporary insurance for people who have been denied it because of their health; allowing young people to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26; requiring insurers to use a high percentage of premiums for benefits instead of profits and overhead.

The measure guarantees basic Medicare benefits and gradually closes the "doughnut hole" in drug coverage, starting with a $250 rebate this year. It also adds free preventive care and phases in cuts in government subsidies to private Medicare Advantage plans, which, with other savings from reducing fraud and waste, extends Medicare's solvency by nearly a decade.

The cost of the reforms—$940 billion over the next 10 years—is paid for by measures that include reducing Medicare spending, levying a new tax on high-end "Cadillac" health plans and raising taxes on the wealthy. The independent Congressional Budget Office states that reform savings will trim the federal deficit by $143 billion through 2019.

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zaista, ima budala kosmickih proporcija...

Ovaj covek ce biti jedan od najvecih americkih predsednika svih vremena. Voleli ga mi ili ne, slagali se ili ne--totalno nebitno.

Tek je godinu dana predsednik. Zivi bili pa videli sta jos stize do kraja mandata. Jako zanimljivo.

Quote from: alan ford on April 16, 2010, 01:50:12 PM
A kreacija logo-a je verujem potpuno 'nasumican' dogadjaj kome Obama nije prisustvovao, niti na ikoji nacin doprineo.

Ja ne mogu da poverujem da i jedan politicar nije svestan ili obavesten o radnjama koje se ticu njegovog imidza, ili percepcije njegovog imidza.

Secas tako se uvek govorilo za vodje - Tita, Milosevica a i svih drugih - tipa, oni nemaju pojma sa stvarima koje se desavaju. Mozda i tacno, verovatno i jeste u nekim slucajevima, ali da li ih to zaista odvaja od odgovornosti za te stvari o kojima su 'neobavesteni'? Pa sta im je onda job description?

Oduvek mi se cinilo da je tolerance bar prilicno veliki za politicare, njima se neki gafovi daleko lakse oprastaju, nego li proporcionalno slicne greske i propusti obicnim ljudima u njihovim svakodnevnim poslovima. Ja sam jednom prilikom bio odgovoran za outage na jednom projektu, koji je bio propust inzinjera, jer oni nisu napravili dobar test koji bi uhvatio outage... i nije nista vredelo sto sam imao emergencu response process in place, neko je morao da  take a hit for unknown unknown.
Ili na primer onaj Micheal Steel, bozo koji je chariman RNC. Nije imao pojma za neki finansijski skandal (po koji put). On nije odgovoran, a neki low level apartchik popije sut u dupe.

Sto ti je veca odgovornost, to se lakse oprasta. Meni to lici ass backwards poimanje leadership-a.

Amans, evo sta je velicina - govor iz 1961., dan danas aktuelan:

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs#)

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 16, 2010, 03:30:04 PM

Sto ti je veca odgovornost, to se lakse oprasta. Meni to lici ass backwards poimanje leadership-a.

ne oprastam nikome nista ali ovo su trivijalne, plus izmisljene, stvari.

Jack Welch je pre par godina u jednom clanku pisao o problemu sa Corporate Governance (share holderi biraju board of directors koji nadzire management kako bi ovi radili u interesu share holdera) u tome sto borad of directors cine ljudi koji imaju redovan posao, sastaju se jednom u tromesecju na par dana i nema ni teoretske sanse da dovoljno shvate biznis te cesto vazne detalje biznisa kojim menadzment upravlja. Jos ako menadzment nije potpuno transparentan (ili forthcoming) zaboravi na ikakav governance.

Tako da mislim da ti na visokim pozicijama i treba da odgovaraju za sve sto njihovi ljudi urade, jebiga takav je chain of command, ali u gomili slucajeva ovi jednostavno zaista nisu znali niti su mogli da znaju, niti imaju vremena da se bave svim sitnicama koje neki tamo interni u organizacijama rade. 

sta je vama??? logo je sasvim dobar, a vi kao da ste zaista u nekoj Twilight Zone. [The problem] is in the eye of beholder, da ne kazem sto je babi milo to joj se i snilo  :twisted:

(http://www.chickenmcnugget.com/pics/regan_cigsJPG.jpg)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1652 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1652)

slusam sad vesti i razmisljam i rekoh, moram da podelim sa vama

Vec dugo se dvoumim sta da mislim o Obami--da li da je teski oportunista ili diabolically clever. Koliko sam primetila, onako izdaleka (jer ne pratim detaljno, nemam zivaca...itd.), princip po kom deluje je sledeci:

prvo pusti narod da se detaljno izmrcvari oko nekog problema, da se republikanci i demokrate svadjaju i teraju mak na konac dok ne dosade i bogu i ljudima, a onda se pojavi i razresi problem, donese odluku i kvit

Ne mogu da se setim ranijih primera, ali mislim da je ovo oko zdravstvenog osiguranja dobar primer. Njakaju se vec vise od godinu dana, natezu, svadjaju....i onda se on pojavi, digne hajku i presece Gordijev cvor. Done deal.


Ja sam za O. izgubila interesovanje kad je zaposlio L. Summers i T. Geithnera. Medjutim, nesto mi se ne uklapa....


Pazi sad: koliko je proslo od ovog istorijskog potpisa za  zdravstveno osiguranje? par dana....
i sta slusam na vestima, kolko pre par minuta??? Goldman Sachs na tapetu zbog kriminalnog poslovanja...a gde Godman Sachs, ta stellar banka, garant ce da sledi i ostala sitna riba pljuckavica, a ostali sljam sa Wall St. djuture moze samo da nagadja i ceka....

i sve vise mi se cini da Obama radi radnju vrlo, vrlo zanimljivo hehe

se veda

Obama je defakto nasledio razvalinu od ekonomije i drzave. Slusajuci razne Fox televizije, republikance i konzervativce covek bi pomislio da nam je do 2009. cvetalo cvece. I dopada mi se pristup, skoro pa da ima listu stvari poredjane onako od najtezih problema ka sitnijim i redom im prilazi ne preskace.
Ovo sa zdravstvom je pomak, mada da se razumemo to sto je izglasano je 10 deo onoga sto je potrebno. Nemoj da mislis da je dosao i resio problem, napravljeno je toliko ustupaka da ovo nije ni R od reforme vec samo zakon koji ce omogucit jednom delu stanovnistva da dodje do osiguranja. Taj deo je nazalost i dalje relativno mali u odnosu na 50-ak miliona neosiguranih koliko procenjuju da ima u USA.
Sve u svemu, dopada mi se da se svega latio, a nisam siguran koliko su resenja optimalna.

Quote from: alan ford on April 17, 2010, 01:51:34 AM
Obama je defakto nasledio razvalinu od ekonomije i drzave. Slusajuci razne Fox televizije, republikance i konzervativce covek bi pomislio da nam je do 2009. cvetalo cvece. I dopada mi se pristup, skoro pa da ima listu stvari poredjane onako od najtezih problema ka sitnijim i redom im prilazi ne preskace.
Ovo sa zdravstvom je pomak, mada da se razumemo to sto je izglasano je 10 deo onoga sto je potrebno. Nemoj da mislis da je dosao i resio problem, napravljeno je toliko ustupaka da ovo nije ni R od reforme vec samo zakon koji ce omogucit jednom delu stanovnistva da dodje do osiguranja. Taj deo je nazalost i dalje relativno mali u odnosu na 50-ak miliona neosiguranih koliko procenjuju da ima u USA.
Sve u svemu, dopada mi se da se svega latio, a nisam siguran koliko su resenja optimalna.

moze biti, moze biti, slazem se

Ali, na kraju balade, when all is said and done, ovo ce da stoji:

The landmark legislation represents an achievement for Obama that other presidents—Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton—sought unsuccessfully for nearly a century.


(iz gore citiranog teksta)

Quote from: alan ford on April 17, 2010, 01:51:34 AM

Slusajuci razne Fox televizije, republikance i konzervativce covek

'ajde leba ti Alane, prebroji koliko ima tih Fox televizija? Fox, koja jos? MSNBC, NBC, CNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN? Koliko jos ima Fox televizija?

Quote from: amans on April 17, 2010, 04:02:46 AM

Ali, na kraju balade, when all is said and done, ovo ce da stoji:

The landmark legislation represents an achievement for Obama that other presidents—Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton—sought unsuccessfully for nearly a century.

xrofl xrofl xrofl xrofl

U sta hoces da se kladis da ce za desetak (ako ne i manje godina) ovako neka recenica da se nadje u americkim udzbenicima istorije?

Ма ја у то уопште не сумњам.
Али то и даље не значи да није смешно и ненормално.

Quote from: slawen on April 17, 2010, 10:33:31 AM
Ма ја у то уопште не сумњам.
Али то и даље не значи да није смешно и ненормално.

nazalost moram da se slozim sa Slawenom. Donet zakon kao sto rekoh nista iz korena ne menja, samo je neznatno prosirenje loseg sistema.

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 17, 2010, 04:07:12 AM

'ajde leba ti Alane, prebroji koliko ima tih Fox televizija? Fox, koja jos? MSNBC, NBC, CNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN? Koliko jos ima Fox televizija?

kretena ima svuda, ali rekoh da jedino na Foxu non-stop pricaju o propasti od kada je Obama. Ovi drugi nabrojani su ni tu ni tamo sto je otprilike neka sredina.

Rekao si "na Fox televizijama"  ;) Ovi drugi su debelo na levo - bilo kakvu kritiku predsednika automatski nazivaju rasizmom. Kao da smo nazad u vremenu RTSa.

Quote from: alan ford on April 17, 2010, 01:00:56 PM

Quote from: slawen on April 17, 2010, 10:33:31 AM
Ма ја у то уопште не сумњам.
Али то и даље не значи да није смешно и ненормално.

nazalost moram da se slozim sa Slawenom.

Што нажалост, наопако?
Па нисам ја баш тако зао.

nisi, ali slaganjem sa tobom predvidjam los ishod...

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Quote from: amans on April 16, 2010, 03:26:45 PM
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/policy/articles/historic_health_care_bill_passes.html (http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/policy/articles/historic_health_care_bill_passes.html)

jebali ih krugovi....evo sa ovog skrecu paznju:  (moje je boldovano)


Historic Health Care Bill Passes


In a historic climax to a bitter year-long political battle, on March 21 the House of Representatives narrowly approved a Senate bill to overhaul the nation's health care system. With President Obama's signature, the bill immediately became law.

In the turbulent days leading up to passage, Obama and Democratic leaders contended not only with fierce opposition from Republicans, none of whom voted for it, but also with the reluctance of some House Democrats who objected to certain provisions in the Senate bill. In the end, those members agreed to approve both the Senate bill, by a 219-212 vote, and a package of changes to it that, at press time, is expected to pass the Senate.

The landmark legislation represents an achievement for Obama that other presidents—Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton—sought unsuccessfully for nearly a century.

The law will extend health coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans, penalize many employers who do not offer coverage and individuals who do not purchase it, provide subsidies for people with limited and moderate incomes, and bar insurers from rejecting people with preexisting conditions.

Provisions that take effect within a year include: banning insurers from arbitrarily canceling or limiting coverage; providing tax credits to small businesses that offer coverage; providing temporary insurance for people who have been denied it because of their health; allowing young people to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26; requiring insurers to use a high percentage of premiums for benefits instead of profits and overhead.

The measure guarantees basic Medicare benefits and gradually closes the "doughnut hole" in drug coverage, starting with a $250 rebate this year. It also adds free preventive care and phases in cuts in government subsidies to private Medicare Advantage plans, which, with other savings from reducing fraud and waste, extends Medicare's solvency by nearly a decade.

The cost of the reforms—$940 billion over the next 10 years—is paid for by measures that include reducing Medicare spending, levying a new tax on high-end "Cadillac" health plans and raising taxes on the wealthy. The independent Congressional Budget Office states that reform savings will trim the federal deficit by $143 billion through 2019.

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zaista, ima budala kosmickih proporcija...

Amans, procitaj ovaj clanak http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article7100968.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article7100968.ece)

pa zamisli on the economies of scale, kako ce to ovde da izgleda... za 10tak godina, plus minus.

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 18, 2010, 09:59:14 PM
Amans, procitaj ovaj clanak http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article7100968.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article7100968.ece)

pa zamisli on the economies of scale, kako ce to ovde da izgleda... za 10tak godina, plus minus.

ne vidim vezu izmedju ovog slucaja i americke zdravstvene zastite? zasto i kako ce do ovoga da dodje? Zar nemamo privatan sistem sa privatnim osiguravajucim drustvima?
Mozda ljudi nece imati da plate ali to je vec sada problem u pojedinim slucajevima.

Jel vi kapirate da osiguravajuca drustva, ukoliko imaju kontrolu cena, ili nece postojati, ili ce biti nestasica? Jel imao neko Economy 101 ovde? Ili, jel' se seca neko nestasice goriva u SFRJ?

Ako drzava naredi osiguravajucim drustvima da svakog osiguraju, kakav je onda to risk pool, i jel ima para za svakog? Nema po ovim cenama. Onda oni podignu cene. Drzava im udari price ceiling. Onda ovima pune biznis model.

Kako god okrenes, heavely controlled insurance industry, shortage of doctors, price control ce napraviti defacto social healthcare, kao na primer u Britaniji. Ovi ljudi nisu navikli na ono sta ih ceka.

Ja rekoh, ako vam je ovo dosad bilo nehumano, sacekajte tek da vidite kako ce ovo sledece da izgleda.

nisam video da iko namerava da odredjuje cene. Mada mi se ideja dopada da se napravi cenovnik lekarskih usluga, da se zna, a osiguravajuca drustva neka se takmice na osnovu nivoa usluga. Ovo sada je manje vise monopol, plus sto im je u interesu da sto manje plate - inace potpuno pogresna postavka problema.

Cenovnik lekarskih usluga vec postoji. Googlaj pod medical billing, svaki task doktora/rn/sestri ima svoji billing code. To nije proizvoljno, nego je ugovorena cena - lekar moze da ti naplati general check $100, ali insurance adjusts the price na njihov standard, npr $60, od kojih plate recimo $45 a na tebi je razlika od $15. Vecina doktora se ne prebija sa pacijentima oko razlike 100-60, mada u onim prestiznijim mestima verovatno traze.

Da je drzava napavila reformu osiguranja da Cigna Arizona moze da prodaje svoje prodaje svoje produkte u Teksasu i Kaliforniji, to bi bio bolje. Jok, oni su napravili obratno - sad ce drzava da odredjuje cene. Goverment price management/control je naravno uvek pomagalo trzistu. Za 2-3 godine uginuce taj biznis, ako se ovde nesto ne promeni.

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 19, 2010, 01:48:55 AM
Jel vi kapirate da osiguravajuca drustva, ukoliko imaju kontrolu cena, ili nece postojati....

podrzavamo iz sve snage  :twisted:

U pravu si sasvim...a u pitanju je, po misljenju moje malenkosti, to sto hoce da naprave kapitalizam humanijim je contradictio in adjecto... nesto kao trenirati ajkulu da bude vegetarijanac. To moze samo ovako nekako...

FishAholics - Finding Nemo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x9W70LJKVw&NR=1#)


 8-)

Amans :)

Tema za drugi dan - da vidimo koji je to drustveni sistem 'human'. I u teoriji a i u praksi. Mozda Monte bude u blizini kad povedemo razgovor, samo jos Demo da naidje.

nesto sam spremala stare email adrese, pa naidjoh na jlz-ovu....jeste da je on bio jugoslovenski leksikografski zavod, ali ovo sto se dogadja je zaista jlz. Niti je dobro sto je sada, niti je dobro sto ce da bude, jer, kako Alan gore rece, suvise je kompromisa i dilova da bi to licilo na ista

I onda sta, da dignemo ruke u vazduh i prepustimo se sudbini?

Ja Montea uopste ne znam niti ga se secam. Nisam ucestvovala u njegovo forumu kad se separirao, a pre toga mi nesto nije bio u viziru. Za Dema je druga prica, bilo bi lepo kada bi se prikljucio  :o  8-)

mada, da se vratim na pocetnu temu, ovaj nas predsednik mi se sve vise cini diabolically clever...pa ko zna gde sve to vodi  :evil: ....

Oni su strucnjaci za teme humanosti raznih politickih sistema, bili bi odlicni za takvu temu...  xtwak  :mrgreen:

Quote from: amans on April 19, 2010, 02:22:18 AM
mada, da se vratim na pocetnu temu, ovaj nas predsednik mi se sve vise cini diabolically clever...pa ko zna gde sve to vodi  :evil: ....

To sam slusao i o Milosevicu 1990., pametan je on, zna sta radi.... Doduse, ja i tvrdim da je Obama americka verzija Milosevica.

hajd objasni to malo bolje nebilotitesko...ja sam tad vec bila u Americi, nisam najbolje upucena u detalje (da tako kazem)

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 19, 2010, 02:11:54 AM

Da je drzava napavila reformu osiguranja da Cigna Arizona moze da prodaje svoje prodaje svoje produkte u Teksasu i Kaliforniji, to bi bio bolje. Jok, oni su napravili obratno - sad ce drzava da odredjuje cene. Goverment price management/control je naravno uvek pomagalo trzistu. Za 2-3 godine uginuce taj biznis, ako se ovde nesto ne promeni.

ovo (monopol) i jeste deo problema. Ali nema veze sa Obamom. Osiguravajuca drustva to ne zele, ovako prakticno nemaju konkurenciju pa su cene i usluge takve kakve su.

Inace nisam cuo da je ista slicno tome sto pises da ce drzava da odlucuje cene proslo...

Monte ima svoj forum?

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 19, 2010, 02:26:10 AM

Quote from: amans on April 19, 2010, 02:22:18 AM
mada, da se vratim na pocetnu temu, ovaj nas predsednik mi se sve vise cini diabolically clever...pa ko zna gde sve to vodi  :evil: ....

To sam slusao i o Milosevicu 1990., pametan je on, zna sta radi.... Doduse, ja i tvrdim da je Obama americka verzija Milosevica.

Браво, мајсторе.

Quote from: Hate mail on April 19, 2010, 03:11:13 AM
Monte ima svoj forum?

imao pre desetak godina, vbo zna vise o tome

jeb'ga, to nam nece pomoci sto ona zna, el ne vidis da nas bojkotuje...

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 19, 2010, 02:22:33 AM
Oni su strucnjaci za teme humanosti raznih politickih sistema, bili bi odlicni za takvu temu...  xtwak  :mrgreen:

Ох, Боже... Расправка о универзалној медицинској заштити, тромоторац, није питање разлика међу политичким системима (множина), јер само једно мјесто на овој планети постоји гдје се, у назови цивилизованој земљи, помоћ болесном везује за његову платежну способност.

Којекакве вукојебине у којима су врачеви норма, а услуге крштеног доктора се плаћају сувим златом, нијесу вриједни распавке, а и веома ријетко се о њима говори као о "политичком систему", мада и племе људождера може да каже да има некакав... политички систем.

Quote from: Monte on April 19, 2010, 06:47:24 PM

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 19, 2010, 02:22:33 AM
Oni su strucnjaci za teme humanosti raznih politickih sistema, bili bi odlicni za takvu temu...  xtwak  :mrgreen:

Ох, Боже... Расправка о универзалној медицинској заштити, тромоторац, није питање разлика међу политичким системима (множина), јер само једно мјесто на овој планети постоји гдје се, у назови цивилизованој земљи, помоћ болесном везује за његову платежну способност.

Којекакве вукојебине у којима су врачеви норма, а услуге крштеног доктора се плаћају сувим златом, нијесу вриједни распавке, а и веома ријетко се о њима говори као о "политичком систему", мада и племе људождера може да каже да има некакав... политички систем.

Monte, jel jos uvek imas svoj forum? Ja bi da se uclanim   8-)    :lol:

QuoteMonte, jel jos uvek imas svoj forum? Ja bi da se uclanim   

Povedi i Miska.

pa ja sam izgleda svasta propustila na onom ranijem forumu :cry:

Quote from: amans on April 19, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
pa ja sam izgleda svasta propustila na onom ranijem forumu :cry:

Zar ne znas da svako od nas ima i po jedan privatan forum?
tebi se toliko dopalo to sa FB i spajanjem sa prijateljima da bi sada da se uclanis na svaciji forum?

P.S. Ja ne kapiram potpuno tu 'balkanizaciju' foruma ali ajde mora da je zanimljivo imati svoj forum pa sa istim ljudima kao po drugim forumima raspravljati iste ili slicne stvari...

Quote from: amans on April 19, 2010, 07:10:09 PM
Monte, jel jos uvek imas svoj forum? Ja bi da se uclanim   8-)    :lol:

Вала, (данас кад постајем пионир) јавно ти обећавам да ако ми икада швраке мозак попију да правим било какав, а поготову "мој" форум, да те никако заборавити нећу.

Способност да се у пар порука, а на једној теми, унесе оволика количина забуне и направи пометња, све успут дижући споменик до неба нашем "дијагоналном читању" се не заборавља тако лако.

Digresija je ovde do tancina usavrsena, an art level of itself . Ja sam pre nekog vremena prestao da 'kanalisem' teme na kojima sam domacin. Sve odrasli ljudi, dokle vise...

Nazad na temu.... ovo je zanimljivo, top 10 donatora Obami u kampanji 2008:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638 (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638)

Gle ko je na vrhu! I ko ispod (btw, wtf ima univerzitet da placa politickim kampanjama?)

Сад се види, сад се зна, ко се коме допада... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8626041.stm),

са посебним освртом мрзи ка' СрбинТурчин, те што је несретни Бразил Швабама скривио. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/160410bbcwspoll.pdf)

Gagi, da li znas ko sedi na Board of Trustees u tim skolama? Mozda to ima veze. Pa onda, verovatno su zainteresovani i za raznorazne mogucnosti sto se tice istrazivanja (stem cell research, npr.) jer tu je zesca lova, mada je to ipak dosta velika donacija jednom politicaru. U to se ne razumem. Back to the Board...no pun intended :) Ne znam.

Evo jednog zanimljivog clanka. Necu da ga postirem celog, da ne gusim topik, ali moram da izdvojim jedan pasus. Inace, ja Fridmana bas ne mirisim; u stvari imam dosta lose misljenje o njemu. Ali to nema veze. Vredi procitati clanak i mislim da je manje vise u pravu.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/21/opinion/21friedman.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/21/opinion/21friedman.html?hp)

citat:
Indeed, our allies often complain about a world of too much American power, but they are not stupid. They know that a world of too little American power is one they would enjoy even less. They know that a weak America is like a world with no health insurance — and a lot of pre-existing conditions.

xrofl xrofl xrofl

Sve zavisi na koga misli kad kaze allies.  :evil:

Posebno volim da citam komentare citalaca, uvek ima sjajnih. Evo pasusa iz jednog koji mi se dopao:

Earth to Tom: :mrgreen: Are you listening to what you are writing? To wit: (America) "being an example that others want to emulate." Joking, right? Who in the world, and I DO mean the world, would want to emulate our sick, corporatist, greed-driven nation--which now has an immigration bill in Arizona which will, if signed, allow any policeman in the state to stop any person who looks suspiciously like he/she is not an American! Huh?

And how about those psychopathic Republicans in the Senate trying to stonewall the financial reform bill--which is not exactly a strong, kill Wall Street kind of deal? Oh, excuse me, they have now changed their minds (if they, indeed possess such) and have decided that they can support the legislation, because it has suddenly (magically) become bi-partisan!

Tom, face it--WE ARE A WRECK as a nation....." etc. etc.

A ovaj tip, Phil in the mountains of Kyushu, kratko i jasno, sumira zasto ne volim Fridmana. Inace, svi Filovi komentari koje sam procitala su sjajni.  xjap xjap

Phil in the mountains of Kyushu
Japan
April 21st, 2010
12:27 am


Love your list of priorities at the end.

You have 1) "deficit under control," 2) "a new generation of start-ups," 3) "upgrade our railroads and Internet," and 4) more of "the world's smartest and most energetic immigrants."

What about some help for American school kids so they, too, may get good educations to compete with all these el-cheapo tech talents you presumably want to bring in under the H1B visas program?

What about some reduction in the U.S.'s militarism and its billions given to support even more militarism and dictatorships abroad?

What about return to progressive taxation, so the very rich are not getting so shamefully-shamelessly richer?

What about campaign finance reform so Corporate America doesn't just continue buying knaves and lackeys in Congress to do its bidding?

What about banking reform so the most amoral from the U.S.'s biz and law schools don't simply continue the frauds, cons, and parasite greed agendas which are all they know?

And this is just the short list. I look forward to what others posting "comments" may say about education, jobs, and more.

Quote from: amans on April 21, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
What about some help for American school kids so they, too, may get good educations to compete with all these el-cheapo tech talents you presumably want to bring in under the H1B visas program?

Што је то канадски образовни систем нешто другачији од америчког? Ништа битно, да ја видим. Гдје је генерална популација сиромашнија (читај: општи ниво образовања нижи, рурална подручја или сиромашни дијелови града) школе су горе, исто ка' и у Америци.

А опет, углавном се не цвичи да нам дјеца нијесу припремљена да се носе са свијетом.

Amans, ako ti ne gotivis Friedmana, moz' misliti kakvo misljenje tek ja gajim o njemu :)

Juce sam procitao jedan clanak gde uporedjuju USA sa Argentinom. Argentina je, navodno, na pocetku 20. veka bila medju prvih deset ekonomskih sila, imala klimu, resurse i prirodna bogatsva kao ili vise USA, a danas je ekonomski u donjoj polovini ili na dnu, kako kad. A sve zbog 'aktivne' uloge vlasti koja je nacionalizova i nacionalizovala i nije nikad propustila sansu da napravi pogresan izbor. Zatim poredili Obamine poteze sa Argentinskim stilom, i zakljucak je na istom putu smo.

Nego, jel' ozbiljni ljudi i dalje uzimaju NYTimes za ozbiljno? Mora da sam postao neki western rube u medjuvremenu....

Ne dirajte u Friedmana.

Juce, u Illinoisu:

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/04/22/chicago-teacher-on-tax-hike-give-up-the-bucks/ (http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/04/22/chicago-teacher-on-tax-hike-give-up-the-bucks/)

Beskorisni olosh...

SMRT svakoj vrsti socijalizma, a ziveo Darvinizam.

Eto Grckog modela u USA; danas Illinois, sutra New Jersey, preksutra Kalifornija...

55% mog bonusa ode u dzep ovakvim nekim idiotima, majkama koje sire noge svakom keru koji naidje putem edabi uknjizile jos jedan cek velfera, bankrotiranom Social Security sistemu kojeg nece biti (vec ga nema) za 10-20-30 godina, ratove i slicne gluposti. SMRT, SMRT!

E a ove na videu su uciteljice. One skoluju nove generacije.

Znam, imam u zgradi onaj par "We are New York City teachers!" hippie shkartova...

Quote from: Hate mail on April 22, 2010, 10:28:17 PM
55% mog bonusa ode u dzep ovakvim nekim idiotima, majkama koje sire noge svakom keru koji naidje putem edabi uknjizile jos jedan cek velfera, bankrotiranom Social Security sistemu kojeg nece biti (vec ga nema) za 10-20-30 godina, ratove i slicne gluposti. SMRT, SMRT!

Kako ono kazu, The road to hell is paved with good intentions, tako da u sistemu u kome je zakon svi protiv svakoga, jer svako gleda samo sebe....dodje to kojekavih nakaznosti i nakaradnosti.

Ima jos jedan dobar komentator u NYT, zove se David Sassoon, neki naucnik, biolog koji zivi i radi u Parizu, da li Sorbona ili negde drugde. Odavno ga nisam citala, ali kad je postirao, sjajno je komentarisao.

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 22, 2010, 04:17:48 PM
Nego, jel' ozbiljni ljudi i dalje uzimaju NYTimes za ozbiljno? Mora da sam postao neki western rube u medjuvremenu....

Sta ja znam kako ga ko uzima....NYT that is    :o; ja obicno u dokolici  :mrgreen:


sta ke western rube ?

Quote from: Pijanista on April 22, 2010, 04:30:25 PM
Ne dirajte u Friedmana.

vodi ga kuci  :mrgreen:

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 22, 2010, 04:17:48 PM
Amans, ako ti ne gotivis Friedmana, moz' misliti kakvo misljenje tek ja gajim o njemu :)

Juce sam procitao jedan clanak gde uporedjuju USA sa Argentinom. Argentina je, navodno, na pocetku 20. veka bila medju prvih deset ekonomskih sila, imala klimu, resurse i prirodna bogatsva kao ili vise USA, a danas je ekonomski u donjoj polovini ili na dnu, kako kad. A sve zbog 'aktivne' uloge vlasti koja je nacionalizova i nacionalizovala i nije nikad propustila sansu da napravi pogresan izbor. Zatim poredili Obamine poteze sa Argentinskim stilom, i zakljucak je na istom putu smo.

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 22, 2010, 04:17:48 PM
Amans, ako ti ne gotivis Friedmana, moz' misliti kakvo misljenje tek ja gajim o njemu :)

Juce sam procitao jedan clanak gde uporedjuju USA sa Argentinom. Argentina je, navodno, na pocetku 20. veka bila medju prvih deset ekonomskih sila, imala klimu, resurse i prirodna bogatsva kao ili vise USA, a danas je ekonomski u donjoj polovini ili na dnu, kako kad. A sve zbog 'aktivne' uloge vlasti koja je nacionalizova i nacionalizovala i nije nikad propustila sansu da napravi pogresan izbor. Zatim poredili Obamine poteze sa Argentinskim stilom, i zakljucak je na istom putu smo.

zanimljivo...

Quote from: amans on April 23, 2010, 08:42:52 PM

Quote from: Pijanista on April 22, 2010, 04:30:25 PM
Ne dirajte u Friedmana.

vodi ga kuci  :mrgreen:

U pisanom obliku :)

Tebe nema, nema, pa onda nadoknadis  :lol:

...nesto mi se sklopilo na poslu da moram da radim zaozbiljno i prekovremeno :mrgreen: tako da cu biti usporena jos neko vreme, a za to vreme ce basta da se otme u dzunglu, pa cu i tu da se zabavim....no, ne dam se ja tako lako  :)

SEIU as Astroturf - Protesters say, "Give up the bucks!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSh7WUK1GDc#ws)

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/923991/77c50dd4/negerin_bedankt_taxpayers_voor_healthcare.html (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/923991/77c50dd4/negerin_bedankt_taxpayers_voor_healthcare.html)

Quote from: Tromotorac on April 19, 2010, 11:25:50 PM
Nazad na temu.... ovo je zanimljivo, top 10 donatora Obami u kampanji 2008:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638 (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638)

Gle ko je na vrhu! I ko ispod (btw, wtf ima univerzitet da placa politickim kampanjama?)

slightly different angle:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100426/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1772 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100426/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1772)

Quote

Glenn Beck
• Fox News host, radio host, author, speaker
• $32 million

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How he parties: In the past decade Glenn Beck has transformed himself from a regional radio shock jock to a national multiplatform money-making juggernaut. And in the past year, he's used his vast influence to help organize and motivate the Tea Party movement. Beck traveled to San Antonio, Texas, for the inaugural tax-day Tea Party protests in April 2009 and taped his show as he participated. The Tea Party protests in Washington in September drew inspiration from Beck's 9-12 Project, which Beck describes as an effort to reclaim the spirit of national unity after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Beck often dedicates his television and radio shows to articulating the Tea Party worldview, such as concern with the growth of the federal government and the national debt, as well as perceived similarities between President Obama's liberalism and European socialism, Soviet communism, and even German Nazism.

How it pays: Beck was blunt with Forbes Magazine when discussing his success. "I could give a flying crap about the political process," he deadpanned. "We're an entertainment company." Forbes said that Beck's company, Mercury Radio Arts, raked in $32 million from March 2009 to March 2010. That included $2 million from Fox News for his daily television show, $10 million for his daily radio show, $3 million for speaking events, $4 million from his online operation, and a whopping $13 million in print endeavors with Simon & Schuster (books and a magazine). Beck dominated the New York Times bestseller list in 2009, with three separate No. 1 books and a total of 3.5 million books sold.

Ovo je jos bolje:

Political theater of the absurd

April 27, 2010 Posted by Scott at 8:08 AM

Caterpillar and other companies took billions of dollars in charges against earnings when Obamacare was enacted. One section of the Obamacare bill eliminated a tax break available to companies that provide drug benefits to retirees as part of their insurance coverage. The government's own accounting for the tax change anticipated that it would generate $4.5 billion of revenue over the next 10 years.

Yet when Caterpillar and the other companies took the charges against earnings, the White House suggested that companies were exaggerating the effects of the tax change. Obama administration Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke dutifully peddled the administration line, asserting that the companies were being "premature and irresponsible" in taking the chargeoffs.

Reps. Henry Waxman and Bart Stupak opened an investigation and demanded that four companies -- AT&T, Caterpillar, Deere and Verizon -- supply documents analyzing the "impact of health care reform," together with an explanation of their accounting methods. The Democrats apparently thought that they could eliminate a corporate tax deduction for the purpose of raising government revenue without affecting corporate earnings. That's why deep thinkers like Waxman and Stupak are paid the big bucks by taxpayers. .

Waxman and Stupak even planned to produce a bit of political theater, scheduling a hearing on the chargeoffs at which the companies' executives were to testify. The production was canceled when Waxman was apprised of the obvious consequences of the bill he and his Democratic buddies had just voted for.

I wonder which poor staffer drew the short straw requiring him to advise Waxman that the elimination of a big corporate tax deduction results in a big corporate tax expense that has to be recognized under applicable accounting standards. It can't have been pleasant duty.

Robert Pear reports the results of the congressional investigation in today's New York Times. After investigating, "House Democrats have concluded that the companies were right to tell investors and the government about the expected adverse effects of the law on their financial results" Pear explains:

In a memorandum summarizing its investigation, the Democratic staff of the committee said, "The companies acted properly and in accordance with accounting standards in submitting filings to the S.E.C. in March and April."

Moreover, it said, "these one-time charges were required by applicable accounting rules." The committee staff said this view was confirmed by independent experts at the Financial Accounting Standards Board and the American Academy of Actuaries.

For readers with a short memory, Pear even recalls: "Mr. Waxman, the chairman of the committee, and Mr. Stupak canceled a hearing at which they had planned to question executives on the effects of the law."

These folks are without shame and beneath contempt.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/04/026169.php?format=print (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/04/026169.php?format=print)

Nastavak na istu temu http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/04/026176.php (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/04/026176.php)

Ili ovo http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/28/obama-we-need-a-fiscal-commiss (http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/28/obama-we-need-a-fiscal-commiss)

Barack Obama -- self-effacing, no; America-effacing, yes

Barack Obama was never the enigma some thought him to be. His radical associations, his status as the Senate's most liberal member, and the relentless ambition he had exhibited at every turn told us most of what we needed to know about what the substance of his presidency would look like.

Yet we had reason to hope for better when it comes to certain personality traits Obama has exhibited throughout his 15 months in office, some of which have been on particular display during the past few days. Consider first Obama's lack of grace during his turn as a stand-up comedian at the White House Correspondent's dinner on Saturday night. The event itself -- and especially the spectacle of the U.S. president seeking yuks from media types through material written by others -- is nausea-inducing. If Obama had refused to play that game, the departure from tradition would have been refreshing and praiseworthy.

But Obama chose instead (as he did last year) to depart from only that part of the tradition that involves self-deprecating humor. As the Washington Post reports, "except for a mild joke pegged to his falling approval ratings, Obama mostly spared Obama during his 14-minute stand-up routine." By contrast, "Obama went all Don Rickles on a broad range of topics and individuals: Vice President Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, presidential advisers David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel, the news media, Jay Leno, and Republicans Michael Steele, Scott Brown, John McCain and Sarah Palin."

As has often been the case, Obama's ungracious approach to the event stands in marked contrast with that of his predecessors. At the height of the Whitewater scandal, President Clinton told the audience: "I am delighted to be here tonight, and if you believe that, I have some land in northwest Arkansas I'd like to sell you." And President George W. Bush poked fun at himself in various ways over the years: by explaining what he really wanted to say on those occasions when he mangled his words; by using a Bush look-alike to exchange banter with him; and by having Laura Bush interrupt his remarks to offer her a comic take on her husband.

Obama's stand-up act seems particularly unfortunate when juxtaposed with his commencement speech at the University of Michigan. There, Obama argued for a more civil, less bitter national discourse. That's a fine sentiment, and the fact that in a vibrant democracy the U.S. president will always be subject to harsh criticism does not necessarily deprive him of standing to make the case for civility. But a president who uses the White House Correspondent's dinner to zing his adversaries, yet is unwilling to follow the tradition of making fun of himself, can hardly expect us to take him seriously on the subject of civility.

Beyond Obama the ungracious and Obama the hypocrite lies Obama the naïf, a fellow who stays mostly in the shadows but emerges like clockwork when it's time to deal with our foreign adversaries. Today, he emerged to tell the world how many nuclear weapons the U.S. has - 5,113 for those keeping score at home. In the past, the number has been kept secret. According to the Washington Post, however, Obama believes that his "dramatic announcement [of the number] will further enhance [the administration's] nuclear credentials as it tries to shore up the fraying nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty."

It's tempting to conclude that Obama doesn't really think telling the world how many nukes we have will discourage nuclear proliferation. It's tempting to believe that Obama made the announcement to make Israel - which has no intention of talking about its status when it comes nukes - look bad.

But drawing that conclusion would ignore Obama's penchant for similar gestures designed to establish his bona fides with our enemies. It would ignore the bad-mouthing of his country on foreign soil, his willingness to negotiate with Iran in the absence of pre-conditions for the stated purpose of proving that the U.S. is no longer "arrogant," and his betrayal of Poland and the Czech Republic on missile defense in an attempt to curry favor with Russia.

If Obama is an enigma today, it's because of the contrast between his remarkably open disdain for his domestic rivals and opponents on the one hand and his obsequious approach to the nation's foreign adversaries on the other. As enigmas go, however, this one is more troubling than puzzling.



http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/05/026217.php (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/05/026217.php)

Quote from: Tromotorac on May 04, 2010, 04:53:20 AM
Barack Obama -- self-effacing, no; America-effacing, yes

Зашто ти је овај чланак интересантан, Тромоторац? Пљувка је углавном по њему као човјеку (не умије да се наспрда на свој рачун, замисли), а листа конретних политичких гријеха/ставова, овлаш је споменута на крају. Оно, као "е ако је све ово овако, онда се није чудити...".

Човјек је политичар (и то амерички). Зар није послије којекаквих притупих ликова стављена тачка на то сагледавање "лика и дјела" (тренутхних) преЦедника као "очеваогледала нације"?

Nije, ovaj je trebalo da bude novi Isus Hrist. Hope and Change kao Milosevic 1988.

Jos da zakopa Busha u nekom country clubu, uzme stan i Bog da ga vidi...

Quote from: Tromotorac on May 04, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
Nije, ovaj je trebalo da bude novi Isus Hrist. Hope and Change kao Milosevic 1988.

koliko su ljudi koji su od Obame ocekivali cuda bili nerealni toliko si i ti nerealan u optuzbama.
za pocetak nasledio je drzavu na nizbrdici i krenuo je od velikih problema (veliku zabu progutaj odmah) koje mu definitivno ne pomazu popularnosti - ni njemu ni demokratama koje ce zbog svega izgubiti vecinu.
Od svega najavljivanog je ispao mnogo umereniji. Mnogo blizi dosadasnjoj politici nego sto se i pretpostavljalo.
Meni licno puno tih napada deluju potpuno 'rasno' obojeni.

Quote from: alan ford on May 04, 2010, 08:05:30 PMOd svega najavljivanog je ispao mnogo umereniji.

Што је, обрни-заврни, постао вјечити лајт-мотив са демократским преЦедницима тамо доље. Вазда нешто морају да доказују. Прије ће утрчати у рат, е треба да докажу да су већи католици од Папе и "тврђи" од оних других. Треба да докажу да нијесу тако црни/црвени како то изгледа на почетку. Обрни-заврни, прије или касније, сведе се на владање на основу резултата истраживања јавног мијења.

Пошто Републиканци не морају никоме ништа да доказују, они могу себи да допуште Ђорђа од провиђења. И тако два мандата. Заредом.

Што јужније, то тужније.  :twisted:

To je zato sto je republikancima svaki demokratski predsednik nelegitiman. A i pokoji republikanski. Ajzenhauer je bio komunista in disguise (!!!), kenedi je ukrao izbore, Dzonson je nastavak kradje, Karter nije nista, Klinton je u stvari pimp, koij je sticajem okolnosti posato predsednik, a Obama je Kenijac i antihrist-musliman, komunista i crni panter, kvazi hriscanin i odvratni intelektualac (who reads book after all, drill baby drill).
Gledam ja to svaki dan na Fox-u. Potpuno luda ekipa, al' u ovo sve veruju kao u sveto pismo.

Quote from: zagor te nej on May 05, 2010, 01:34:46 PMGledam ja to svaki dan na Fox-u. Potpuno luda ekipa, al' u ovo sve veruju kao u sveto pismo.

Што је слаб или никакав одговор зашто демокраЦки преЦедници доспјевају у политичку дефанзиву. Ђорђе од провиђења пет пара давао није што, ко и како мисли о његовој владавини. Скоро до пред крај, кад је постало превише очигледно да ће га разапети не зато што је започео рат, већ што га није брзо добио.

What this country needs is a short, victorious war to ...(stem the tide of revolution, у оригиналу).

"What this country needs is a good ¢5 cigar".

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2010/05/obama_the_polarizer.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2010/05/obama_the_polarizer.html)

"I've now been in 57 states – I think one left to go." – Barack Obama at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-05-24-income-shifts-from-private-sector_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-05-24-income-shifts-from-private-sector_N.htm)

Obama's 'Chicago Way' plunders the private sector
By: Michael Barone
June 2, 2010

(AP)


An interesting thing about Barack Obama is that he chose, on two occasions, to live in Chicago -- even though he didn't grow up there, had no family ties there, never went to school there.

It was a curious choice. Chicago has a civic culture all its own and one that is particularly insular. Family ties and personal connections are hugely important. Professionals who have lived and worked there for a quarter-century are brusquely reminded, "You're not from here."

Nonetheless Obama moved upward in the Chicago civic firmament with apparent ease. The community organizer joined the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church in search of street credibility in the heavily black South Side. The adjunct law teacher made friends around the University of Chicago from libertarian academics to radical organizer William Ayers. The young state senator designed a new district that included the Loop and the rich folk on the Near North Side.

Obama could not have risen so far so fast without a profound understanding of the Chicago Way. And he has brought the Chicago Way to the White House.

One prime assumption of the Chicago Way is that there will always be a bounteous private sector that politicians can plunder endlessly. Chicago was America's boom town from 1860 to 1900, growing from nothing to the center of the nation's railroad network, the key nexus between farm and factory, the headquarters of great retailers and national trade associations.

The Mayors Daley have maintained Chicago's centrality in commerce by building and expanding O'Hare International Airport and by fostering a culture of crony capitalism with the city's big employers and labor unions. Chicago survived the Depression and recessions to thrive once again. Sure, small businesses and some outfits lacking political connections fell by the wayside. But the system seems to go on forever.

So it's natural for a Chicago Way president to assume that higher taxes and a hugely expensive health care regime will not make a perceptible dent in the nation's private sector economy. There will always be plenty to plunder.

Crony capitalism also comes naturally to a Chicago Way president. Use some sweeteners to get the drug companies and the doctors to sign on to the health care plan. If the health insurers start bellyaching, whack them a few times in public to make them go along. Design a financial reform that Goldman Sachs and JPMorganChase can live with even while you assail "Wall Street fat cats."

The big guys will understand that you have to provide the voters with some political theater while you give them what they want. As for the little guys, well, hey, in Chicago we don't back no losers.

If in the process you've written legislation full of glitches and boondoggles, well, they can be fixed later. The typical vote in the Chicago City Council is 50-0. Republicans don't count for nothing. Down in Springfield they're outnumbered 37-22 and 70-48.

Anyone who has spent much time in Chicago knows the city has impressive civic and business leaders, talented and cultured people who creatively support charities and the arts. But they also play team ball.

One measure of that is the $25.6 million that the 2008 Obama campaign raised from metro Chicago. An even more meaningful measure is the $5 million that Hillary Clinton's campaign raised there -- a virtual shutout in a city where the Clintons once raised huge sums. The word obviously went out: You back Barack and you don't back Hillary.

Now the Clintons are part of the Chicago Way team. As witnessed by Bill Clinton's willingness to dangle some sort of job to Joe Sestak to get him out of the Pennsylvania Senate race.

To some it may seem anomalous that Obama, who began his Chicago career as a Saul Alinsky-type community organizer, should have taken to the Chicago Way. But Alinsky's brand of community organizing is very Chicagocentric.

It assumes that there will always be a Machine that you can complain about and that if you make a big enough fuss it will have to respond. And that the Machine can always get more plunder from the private sector.

The problem with Obama's Chicago Way is that Chicago isn't America. The Chicago Way works locally because there is an America out there that ultimately pays for it. But who will pay for an America run the Chicago Way?


Michael Barone, The Examiner's senior political analyst, can be contacted at mbarone@washingtonexaminer.com. His columns appear Wednesday and Sunday, and his stories and blog posts appear on www.ExaminerPolitics.com (http://www.examinerpolitics.com) ExaminerPolitics.com.

Opinion: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama-falls-head-first-into-the-hypocrisy-trap-95980699.html (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama-falls-head-first-into-the-hypocrisy-trap-95980699.html)

Talk to Al Jazeera - Charles Bolden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e857ZcuIfnI&feature=player_embedded#ws)

"Bolden: I am here in the region – its sort of the first anniversary of President Barack Obama's visit to Cairo – and his speech there when he gave what has now become known as Obama's "Cairo Initiative" where he announced that he wanted this to become a new beginning of the relationship between the United States and the Muslim world. When I became the NASA Administrator – before I became the NASA Administrator - he charged me with three things: One was that he wanted me to re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, that he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with predominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."

Овај би мог'о кад опосли то са муслиманима да дође у тзв. Србију да објасни великој већини младих људи да треба да буду васпитани, очешљани, умивени и образовани, поносни на историјски допринос знаменитих Срба науци и уметности, уместо да им идоли буду Аркани* и Амстердами, а недостижни узори Бајатовићи и Динкићи.... Миссим, иста мета - исто одстојање, па кад је човек већ ужиган.

*има корен у "arcanе", скривени сарадник службе преко кога су контролисали "навијаче" и ситан олош.

E jes, NASA direktor ce da ih ubedi ako niko drugi nece.