Јаостралијски суд: Капетан Драган силовао по Зворнику

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Pareski do

Интервјуисао га неки Јаостралијанац давне 1991. Цитирао неку изјаву по којој Снеден говори о масакрирању Хрвата. Овај то није демантовао (или није објављено у јаостралијској штампи, или је уопште није ни пратио) те судија дозволио да то буде уврштено као признање...

Стварно сте Јаостралија...  :x

War criminal fails in defamation case
KIM ARLINGTON
December 19, 2009

THE Supreme Court is satisfied he committed the war crime of torture, participated in organised rape and admitted committing a massacre during the Balkans war. But Daniel Snedden is free in the community despite attempts by the Croatian Government to extradite him for prosecution.

Also known as Dragan Vasiljkovic or Captain Dragan, he is accused of war crimes while commanding a Serb paramilitary unit in Croatia in the early 1990s and sued for defamation after The Australian reported in 2005 on his alleged conduct during the conflict.

The newspaper's publisher, Nationwide News, defended the case on the grounds of truth. In the Supreme Court yesterday, Justice Megan Latham found a string of imputations were ''substantially true'' and Mr Snedden ''was loose with the truth when it suited his purposes''.

''The systematic abuse, humiliation and deprivation visited upon those whom the plaintiff sought to punish and subdue at the Knin fortress, the old hospital prison and the Sremska Mitrovika prison, was consistent with the plaintiff's stated aim to drive out non-Serbs from the Krajina [frontier],'' Justice Latham said. ''The accounts of electrocution, regular beatings and mock executions, carried out at the behest of, or with the authority of, the plaintiff, were harrowing.''

Mr Snedden has strenuously denied the allegations. Outside the court, he described them as false. He intends to appeal.

Several former prisoners gave evidence in court of being kicked or beaten by Captain Dragan, or violently assaulted by military men in his presence, after being taken to his fortress at Knin. Electric shocks were administered at a nearby hospital, where guards referred to Dragan as their commander. One man recalled Dragan standing by in silence as he was attacked with batons and the handle of a broken shovel.

A woman known only as Source A gave evidence that in 1992, she was taken to a hotel in Zvornik and told to wait for ''the prince'', before the plaintiff raped her repeatedly.

The court also heard evidence from the Herald's chief foreign correspondent, Paul McGeough, who interviewed Captain Dragan at Knin in 1991. He questioned him about an earlier published quote attributed to him: ''When the Croat side uses hospitals or police stations in their villages as fortified positions, I'm sorry, I just have to massacre them.'' Justice Latham accepted that there was no denial or clarification of the statement by the plaintiff and the imputation he committed a massacre was ''substantially true''.

The Republic of Croatia has sought to extradite Mr Snedden, who spent more than three years in custody without charge following his arrest. But in September the full bench of the Federal Court ordered his release, finding there was ''a substantial or real chance of prejudice'' if he was sent to Croatia to face prosecution for alleged war crimes. The Commonwealth will seek special leave to appeal to the High Court against the decision.

vbo man

Iskreno recheno nit znam shta da mislim o tom kapetanu Draganu ( uvek mi bio totalno nesimpatichan ) a shta je istina od svega shto se pricha o njemu samo valjda djavo zna a niti znam shta da mislim o Australiskim sudovima ( par sluchajeva gde su oslobodjeni pravi zlochinci su me bacila u nebulozu)...
Nemam mishljenje... :oops:
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

Pareski do

Једно је мишљење о особи
Друго је кривица за ратни злочин
Сасвим треће је доказ те кривице

Суд који навод из прекоокеанског медиума пре продора развојаченог интеренета у Европу тумачи као основани доказ због одсуства (објављеног) демантија не заслужује коментар.

Заправо, да Слањен живи у Јаостралији, свашта би вам рекао о вашој земљици односно правном систему...

vbo man

The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

Wiz

Da Pareza nije ovo objavio ja uopšte ne bih znao o čemu se radi... Malopre pročitao vest B92 gde se spominje da je "australijski sud našao da je kriv" i ništa mi nije jasno. Bem ti i srBske tzv. novinare i srBske tzv. medije. Vest od 5 rečenica ne umeju da napišu.

miskop

Na U92, svaki Srbin je kriv za sve.

Cudi me da iko pametan ide po vesti na ustaski sajt kada je unapred jasno sta ce govna
da napisu.


Wiz

Quote from: miskop on December 19, 2009, 11:56:33 AM
Na U92, svaki Srbin je kriv za sve.

Ma nebitno to, čoveče, pročitaš vest i jednostavno ne znaš o čemu se radi. Uopšte se ne vidi iz te njihove "vesti" o čemu pričaju.

vbo man

Pa kapetan Dragan nije bash svaki/bilo koji Srbin (iskreno ne znam ni dal je Srbin :?:). Point je da je on valjda tuzio za klevetu a sud mu nije odobrio. Nije ga proglasio krivim za zlochine ( niti mu se sudilo). I kako shvatam on je josh uvek ovde slobodan chovek i nece da ga isporuche...Oni inache retko isporuchuju svoje drzavljane.
Sve u svemu ima ovde svega u nashoj Jaostraliji ali da je dotichni neki andjeo rekla bih da nije.
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

miskop

Ne radi se tu o neznanju tih govana sa U92.

Da je neznanje u pitanju, oni bi neki put neznali i
u Srpsku korist..

Pareski do



Jelence

Quote from: Pareski do on December 19, 2009, 10:12:44 AM
Интервјуисао га неки Јаостралијанац давне 1991. Цитирао неку изјаву по којој Снеден говори о масакрирању Хрвата. Овај то није демантовао (или није објављено у јаостралијској штампи, или је уопште није ни пратио) те судија дозволио да то буде уврштено као признање...

Daj mi citiraj pls deo u kojem se govori o ovome. Premorena sam da nadjem sama.
I'll tell you something about good looking people: we're not well liked

neprijateljska emigracija

Quote from: Pareski do on December 19, 2009, 11:13:24 AM

Суд који навод из прекоокеанског медиума пре продора развојаченог интеренета у Европу тумачи као основани доказ због одсуства (објављеног) демантија не заслужује коментар.


Gives a fresh meaning to the term "Kangaroo court".
sweetness, sweetness I was only joking
when I said by rights you should be bludgeoned in your bed

Paramecijum

Znate li zašto nikada nije suđeno Arkanu za ratne zločine?
Nije bilo preživelih.
Zapadni sudovi su u velikim problemima jer ako je neko efikasan i nema preživelih, nema ni svedoka, a bez svedoka neke stvari se ne mogu progurati.
Očigledno je da kapetana Dragana tu drže iz političkih razloga i ko zna kakvih ustaških pritisaka iznutra, jer realno, čovek nije ostavio svedoke svog delovanja... postoje priče, legende, strahovi, ali nikoga da upre prstom u njega i kaže: "On je uradio to i to..."

Slušao sam svojevremeno svedočenje Dejana Anastasijevića za Vukovar, gde je on otišao jednom kao novinar.
Dakle, on nije video ništa, nego su njemu ljudi pričali tamo da su neki drugi videli kako su ti ti ti klali... I sad, on im ispade glavni svedok.
Milošević ga pita: "Možete li da nam ispričate šta ste videli, a ne čuli..." I čovek nema šta da kaže.

Pareski do

Quote from: Paramecijum on December 19, 2009, 10:43:13 PM
Znate li zašto nikada nije suđeno Arkanu za ratne zločine?
Nije bilo preživelih.

Нетачно али небитно за тему.

Jelence

Jel i ovaj sud kao i onaj za kriminalne radnje treba da dogura do "beyond reasonable doubt"?
I'll tell you something about good looking people: we're not well liked

slawen

We take no cash unless we cash justice for you! Are you listenin' to me? I'm givin' ya pearls hеrе!

iDemo

Quote from: NEWS

Also known as Dragan Vasiljkovic or Captain Dragan, he is accused of war crimes while commanding a Serb paramilitary unit in Croatia in the early 1990s and sued for defamation after The Australian reported in 2005 on his alleged conduct during the conflict.

The newspaper's publisher, Nationwide News, defended the case on the grounds of truth. In the Supreme Court yesterday, Justice Megan Latham found a string of imputations were ''substantially true'' and Mr Snedden ''was loose with the truth when it suited his purposes''.

Slucaj je "Kapetan Dragan vs The Australian (also known as Nationwide News)" tako da se cela prica svodi na 'dispute' izmedju te dve/tri strane. Price 'svedoka' su tu da pokazu kako je The Australian bio sasvim u pravu kad je njega opisao kako ga ja opisao (ratni zlocinac i taj rad). Sve ostalo, ukljucivo sa Hrvatskom (koja moze da ga vidi u novinama ili na televiziji) i njenim zahtevom za izrucenje je sasvim druga stvar.

Jelence

E jebiga Dzeki, gde trcis. Vidis da su odredjeni pojedinci sedeli u mraku neko sa rodjenim neko sa plasticnim u ruci i cepali    

TI si se nasao da udjes i da upalis svetlo.
I'll tell you something about good looking people: we're not well liked

iDemo

Ja im samo pomazem da se bolje 'organizuju', da se zna neki red, rad i disciplina kicme...

Jelence

Slanjen ce ih organizovati, kad se napusi  :mrgreen:
Sedi i gledaj. Aj da popijemo po jednu  xdrinka
I'll tell you something about good looking people: we're not well liked