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neprijateljska emigracija

Quote from: Pijanista on December 18, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
U ovom slucaju Irance opravdavam, Irak im je naneo silnu stetu u ratu pre 30--20 godina, i nije isplatio odstetu

Ma to nije vazno, vazno je da se odrzavaju tenzije u regionu, sto direktno utice na cijenu nafte. To je ono iz cega Iranci profitiraju, a ne od jedne busotine koju su kao zauzeli.
sweetness, sweetness I was only joking
when I said by rights you should be bludgeoned in your bed

miskop

Pobijes 300 ??

"Pobijes to i teras dalje"

"Satres govna...ako treba (a trebace) SVE to satres"

"Il ce biti demokrate il ih nece biti !!"

Neverovatno sta sve oda po ovoj mucenoj zemlji...a ova se i dalje vrti...ne propada.

Wiz

QuoteСрбија ће постати главни и практично једи снабдевач света за нешто. То нешто ће бити скупље од сувог злата.

Zvuči kao Paramecijum da je pisao.

Eto, sad makar znamo kako & zašto će Srbija postati super-huper sila do 2015.

vbo man

Quote* [new] Re: World - 19 December (4.00 / 2)
France24 - Iraq claims Iranian soldiers occupied oilfield

    Deputy Interior Minister Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji, reversing earlier denials, said the incursion was the latest in a series this week at the Fakka oilfield, 300 km (185 miles) southeast of Baghdad, in Maysan province.

    "At 3:30 this afternoon, 11 Iranian (soldiers) infiltrated the Iran-Iraq border and took control of the oil well. They raised the Iranian flag, and they are still there until this
    moment," he told Reuters.

    There was no official word from Tehran on the incident. Oil prices rose after al-Arabiya television first reported an incursion.

    Khafaji said Baghdad had taken no military action and stressed it would seek a measured, diplomatic response to the situation. "We are awaiting orders from our leader."

Obama :mrgreen:
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

Hate mail

Next thing you, a certain Serbian general appears at your kid's Bar Mitzvah...
"You! Yes, you! Stand still, laddie!"

neprijateljska emigracija

Quote from: vbo man on December 19, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
Quote* [new] Re: World - 19 December (4.00 / 2)
France24 - Iraq claims Iranian soldiers occupied oilfield

    Deputy Interior Minister Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji, reversing earlier denials, said the incursion was the latest in a series this week at the Fakka oilfield, 300 km (185 miles) southeast of Baghdad, in Maysan province.

    "At 3:30 this afternoon, 11 Iranian (soldiers) infiltrated the Iran-Iraq border and took control of the oil well. They raised the Iranian flag, and they are still there until this
    moment," he told Reuters.

    There was no official word from Tehran on the incident. Oil prices rose after al-Arabiya television first reported an incursion.

    Khafaji said Baghdad had taken no military action and stressed it would seek a measured, diplomatic response to the situation. "We are awaiting orders from our leader."

Obama :mrgreen:

Jaka agresija. Vazno da je nafta skocila 3% na tu "vijest".
sweetness, sweetness I was only joking
when I said by rights you should be bludgeoned in your bed

Hate mail

"You! Yes, you! Stand still, laddie!"

Hate mail

"You! Yes, you! Stand still, laddie!"

vbo man

Quote11 Iranian (soldiers) infiltrated the Iran-Iraq border and took control of the oil well. They raised the Iranian flag, and they are still there until this
    moment," he told Reuters.
11 Iranskih vojnika ponizava zlu imperiju bez posledica... xuss
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

iDemo

Quote from: Peter Phillips and Mickey Huff
Among the most important corporate media censored news stories of the past decade, one must be that over one million people have died because of the United States military invasion and occupation of Iraq.  This, of course, does not include the number of deaths from the first Gulf War nor the ensuing sanctions placed upon the country of Iraq that, combined, caused close to an additional one million Iraqi deaths. In the Iraq War, which began in March of 2003, over a million people have died violently primarily from US bombings and neighborhood patrols.  These were deaths in excess of the normal civilian death rate under the prior government.  Among US military leaders and policy elites, the issue of counting the dead was dismissed before the Iraqi invasion even began.  In an interview with reporters in late March of 2002 US General Tommy Franks stated, "You know we don't do body counts." (US General Tommy Franks, quoted in The San Francisco Chronicle, March 23, 2002,  online

vbo man

Oni su sebe na vreme izuzeli iz medjunarodnog suda za ratne zlochine...stoka ona repata.
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

USA is addicted to war. Josh nisu okonchali ni ova dva - tri shto ih gube a vec evo mashtaju i planiraju o novom.Plashili su nas Iranom ali su ipak odluchili da im je to malo opasno...I evo ga iskochio Jemen...Kazu Al kaida se preselila tamo...Svaka chast Al kaidi kako se ona to seli ...sad je vidish sad je ne vidish, sad je ovde sad je tamo...tako da USI nikad nece ponestati malih ratova...Ma cuti dobro je dok su mali xshot2 i samo nek su daleko od nas...posebno od Srbije koja je osetila kako se "uvodi demokratija" na USA nachin...


QuoteRe: World (4.00 / 2)
Raw Story: Senator Lieberman calls for `preemptive' attack on Yemen

    Speaking on Fox News Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), who leads the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, has a vision of "tomorrow's war."

    ...

    Senator Arlen Specter (D-PA), also appearing on the program, seemed to agree, calling an attack against Yemen "something we should consider."

    "Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan -- the Army officer who killed 13 people in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood in November -- was linked to Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric now based in Yemen," The Hill noted.

File under 'yee-haw!'
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

zagor te nej

Komsije Srbije su prvo osetile kao se uvodi Legija, sesirdzije, braca Lukici i "raspameti"  na srpski nacin.Taj deo biva zaboravljas.
Uvek se na "uvodjenje demokratije na americki nacin" kad ih pripali hellfire od 500 funti u glavudzu najglasnije zali olos najogavniji. Zanimljiv fenomen. Milosevic, ove glavoseche sa bliskog istoka, generali iz Burme, i ostali svetionici odbrane protiv imperijalizma.

Nego, kad sednes u avion, a neki umobolni balija krene da se spaljuje ziv ne bi li te oborio sa svih 300 putnika u Indijski okean, ti mu samo reci da ga duboko podrzavas u borbi protiv Ujka Sema, i nema frke.
"Prediction is very difficult, especially of the future."
Niels Bohr

vbo man

QuoteU.S. intelligence: 'Time is running out' in Afghanistan   McClatchy

    KABUL -- As the U.S. and its allies try to overcome logistical hurdles and rush some 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan in 2010, intelligence officials are warning that the Taliban-led insurgency is expanding and that "time is running out" for the U.S.-led coalition to prove that its strategy can succeed.

    The Taliban have created a shadow "government-in-waiting," complete with Cabinet ministers, that could assume power if the U.S.-backed government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai fails, a senior International Security Assistance Force intelligence official said in Kabul, speaking only on the condition of anonymity as a matter of ISAF policy.

    As the Obama administration and its European allies face dwindling public and political support for the eight-year-old Afghan war, the Taliban now have what the official called "a full-fledged insurgency" and shadow governors in 33 of Afghanistan's 34 provinces, including those in the north, where U.S. and other officials had thought the Islamic extremists posed less of a threat.

    The Taliban's return to the northern provinces, including Baghlan, Kunduz and Taqhar -- which McClatchy reported Aug. 28 -- poses serious security, logistical and political problems for the U.S.-led ISAF and Karzai's government.

    The northern region is under the command of German forces, but they and other European contingents operate under restrictions imposed by their governments that limit offensive operations against the Taliban.

Neshto mi govori da ce uskoro da proglase pobedu  xrofl i da zbrishu iz Avganistana ...za Jemen...
Valja trchati za tom Al kaidom po vascelom svetu :?
Iz Avganistana ce da zbrishu al iz Iraq-a nece...

QuoteKomsije Srbije su prvo osetile kao se uvodi Legija, sesirdzije, braca Lukici i "raspameti"  na srpski nacin.Taj deo biva zaboravljas.

Ne zaboravljam...ali to ni u chemu ne opravdava imperiju ( zlu razume se :mrgreen: )

Na uvodjenje demokratije na americhki nachin se najvishe zale porodice onih koji su pobijeni za tu "demokratiju" ( ako si bash navalio da to tako zovemo).
I eto ti to tako lako izvrnesh i napravish od mene nekakvog borca i zashtitnika islama  :roll: shto ja nikako nisam.
Kako sam se borila protiv Milosevica a ne protiv Srbije ( mada su me tada za izdaju Srbije mnogi optuzivali) tako se sad "borim" (uslovno recheno) protiv americhke administracije ( na zalost i R i D) a ne protiv Amerike.
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

iDemo

January 3, 2010

Can the West avoid Russia's fate in Afghanistan?
After the Soviets left defeated, a war hero from the SAS and one from the Red Army say the same mistakes are being made

QuoteWhat lessons are there to be learnt from the Soviet war in Afghanistan? Just as the allies failed in 2001 to study the fateful Soviet invasion, the Russians before them dismissed Queen Victoria's foray into a country some have dubbed "the graveyard of empires". So when in early 1980 the Soviet deputy foreign minister pointed out to his boss, Andrei Gromyko, that three previous invasions by the British had failed, Gromyko asked sternly: "Are you comparing our internationalist forces to those of the British imperialists?"

"No, sir, of course not," answered his deputy. "But the mountains are the same."
=======================
Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan:

1979-1989: 10 years
Peak Strength: 118,000 (1985)
Total Dead: 13,310
Burn Rate: 1,331 per year
Civilian Deaths (worst case, no reliable citation): 2,000,000
US Occupation of Afghanistan:

2001-2009: 8 years (and counting)
Peak Strength (US Only): 105,800 (34,800 ISAF + 71,000 non-ISAF)
Total Dead (US Only): 937
Burn Rate: 118 per year
Civilian Deaths (Direct and Indirect, coalition and insurgent caused, worst case): 32,057

Napomena: ovi brojevi su (vec) bajati...

slawen

Руси су били ефикаснији, то се види из авиона... ма шта из авиона, из Србије.
We take no cash unless we cash justice for you! Are you listenin' to me? I'm givin' ya pearls hеrе!

iDemo

Quote from: slawen on January 09, 2010, 07:59:59 AM
Руси су били ефикаснији, то се види из авиона... ма шта из авиона, из Србије.
Rusi su u prednosti u svakom slucaju. Kod njih ne pise ono "and counting"...  :evil:

vbo man

QuoteYemeni Leader Willing to Talk to Qaeda Fighters - NYTimes.com

    SANA, Yemen -- Yemen's government is "determined to stand up to the challenges" of Al Qaeda, but will be willing to talk to any Al Qaeda follower who "renounces violence and terrorism," said the country's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, in an interview broadcast late Saturday night.

    Mr. Saleh is under great pressure from the United States to act to crush Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which has found refuge in lawless parts of Yemen and which took responsibility for the effort to bomb an American airliner headed for Detroit on Christmas Day.

    In the interview with Abu Dhabi TV, Mr. Saleh, 67, vowed that his security services would hunt down those Qaeda members who refused to renounce violence. But "dialogue is the best way," he insisted, "even with Al Qaeda, if they set aside their weapons and return to reason." He said that Yemen is "ready to reach understanding with anyone who renounces violence and terrorism."

    While apparently anodyne, Mr. Saleh's comments were viewed with some skepticism by Western diplomats here. He has run Yemen for more than 30 years, and he has remained in power by balancing tribal, religious and political powers and often buying their loyalty -- and that includes radical Islamic leaders as well as Al Qaeda.

    The United States has complained that Yemen struck deals in the past with Al Qaeda followers and released them from prison for promises of peace, while some have returned to terrorism or later traveled to Iraq to fight against American forces. A large group in jail for involvement in Al Qaeda's attack on the American Navy destroyer Cole in 2000 escaped from a high security prison in February 2006, reportedly with help from the security services. Now, two of them who evaded later government raids against the group have become key figures of Al Qaeda now, including its leader here, Nasser al-Wuhayshi.

Al zavrcu jaja Ameri xmgw
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

iDemo

Quote from: vbo man on January 11, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Al zavrcu jaja Ameri xmgw
A ovi ih jure k'o i nashi druga Ratka...

vbo man

QuoteA ovi ih jure k'o i nashi druga Ratka...
Odprilike xrofl
Ma shto i da ih jure i ginu kad ce na kraju ti isti Ameri da "pregovaraju" i da ih ustoliche...samo da se dogovore za cenu xremyb
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

QuoteBBC News - Dutch inquiry says Iraq war had no mandate

    An inquiry into the Netherlands' support for the invasion of Iraq says it was not justified by UN resolutions.

    The Dutch Committee of Inquiry on Iraq said UN Security Council resolutions did not "constitute a mandate for... intervention in 2003".

    The inquiry was launched after foreign ministry memos were leaked that cast doubt on the legal basis for the war.

    The Netherlands gave political support to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but had no military role.

    The report demolishes the Dutch case for supporting the invasion, says the BBC's Europe correspondent Jonny Dymond.



Sad su se setili :evil:
Mozda ce se setiti ni da nisu smeli da bombarduju Srbiju...jednog dana...
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

iDemo

Quote from: vbo man on January 13, 2010, 03:28:07 AM
QuoteBBC News - Dutch inquiry says Iraq war had no mandate

    An inquiry into the Netherlands' support for the invasion of Iraq says it was not justified by UN resolutions.

    The Dutch Committee of Inquiry on Iraq said UN Security Council resolutions did not "constitute a mandate for... intervention in 2003".

    The inquiry was launched after foreign ministry memos were leaked that cast doubt on the legal basis for the war.

    The Netherlands gave political support to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but had no military role.

    The report demolishes the Dutch case for supporting the invasion, says the BBC's Europe correspondent Jonny Dymond.



Sad su se setili :evil:
Mozda ce se setiti ni da nisu smeli da bombarduju Srbiju...jednog dana...
Meni je uvek simpa kad neko ovako ima j@ja da se pose@e po svom glasackom telu a jos mi je simpije kad vidim da glasacko telo takve stvari docekuje otvorenih usta...

Hate mail

Yeah, right. Dig in there, it's going to be one helluva long wait. Amazing...
"You! Yes, you! Stand still, laddie!"

vbo man

Ova vest je sa BBC-a.
Tako da je "legitimna" xrofl
Pa ko cheka docheka...kaze nash (pametni)narod :!:
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

slawen

'Тео сам да поставим овде једно истраживање јавног мњења на тему "Читате ли ове шлајфне које овде лепи ВБО?"
Можда би то надлежни знали да ураде без отварања новог топика, ипак тема није толико значајна, чисто ме занима да ли сам једини који то њојзино плаво прештампавање само прескочи?
We take no cash unless we cash justice for you! Are you listenin' to me? I'm givin' ya pearls hеrе!

iDemo

Nadlezeni bi mogli njojzi i blog da otvore - ima tu materijala.

vbo man

Pa Slawen ove vesti su na engleskom, mene mrzi da prevodim, sazimam ...a nisu bez znachaja.Ne mogu da ih nadjem u Politici ili Vechernjim novinama vec ih nalazim na BBC-u, Daily Telegrafu itd.
Koga zanima politika ( a ovde na ovoj temi se radi o USA ratovima u ovom momentu) i uz to zna engleski ako hoce neka chita ako ne nek preskochi...

The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

slawen

Изем ти технологију!
Користим овде Firefox са додатком аутопејџер алата да не бих мануелно окретао стране, већ то аутомацки на крај једне надовеже почетак следеће стране. Једина је мана што понекад 'оће да на крај рецимо треће стране накачи почетак прве стране.
И тако на овом топику читам ја оно што ми написала ВБО да учим свецки језик енглески (ај вона фак ју ин'ди ес*) и обавештавам се из свецке штампе да бих био свецки човек као и она, а овај софтвер ми одма' испод накачио оно гласовање са прве стране, не знам већ о чему беше...
Па се мислим, јеботе, ал' су овде сусретљиви, чим прије ми услишили молбу...



*О овој реклами сам писао своједобно у мојој старој кафани, па сам и у егзил понео:

Има једна реклама где класична просторепродукована нуклеарна породица (ћале децентни господин на измаку средњег доба, кева добро држећа, деца различитог пола и-ха-ха тинејџери) седа у ауто, пушта музику, а онда у савршеном блаженству невероватно срећни сви климају главама у ритму песмице "...I wanna fuck you in the ass....". И то траје непријатно дуго.
Порука је Научите енлески! (у тој и тој школи језика).

А може да буде и Зајебите снове.
Дођи себе, Србине!

Колико је остало од тих који су веровали да нас тамо негде, у Европи, чека рај на земљи, а испоставило се да они само хоће да нас јебу у дупе?
И тако даље; све то, а и много више, имате овде.
We take no cash unless we cash justice for you! Are you listenin' to me? I'm givin' ya pearls hеrе!

alan ford

Quote from: slawen on January 13, 2010, 08:53:58 AM
'Тео сам да поставим овде једно истраживање јавног мњења на тему "Читате ли ове шлајфне које овде лепи ВБО?"

missim, khm, khm, ... prst mi se ukocio od skrolovanja. pola stranice dok ne dodjem do neceg vrednog citanja.

vbo man

Quotemissim, khm, khm, ... prst mi se ukocio od skrolovanja. pola stranice dok ne dodjem do neceg vrednog citanja.
Da najvrednije je ovde kolko vidim chitati ko kolike sise ima i koliki je kome...
Za bolje i niste xuss
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

Pijanista

Sise, gde kolike, cije????

iDemo

Quote from: Pijanista on January 14, 2010, 05:09:56 PM
Sise, gde kolike, cije????
Je@ote, nisam ni znao svih ovih godina da si toliki kicosh...

iDemo

STRATFOR
QuoteTaliban Assault on Kabul
January 18, 2010

A major Taliban attack began on Kabul  xfohtJan. 18. The fighting is being reported by both American and Taliban sources. According to one American source, reports of an imminent attack began circulating Jan. 17. Heavy fighting is being reported at multiple locations, apparently focused around the Serena Hotel. The hotel, which is frequented by foreign journalists and government officials, has been attacked in the past. According to the Taliban, 20 suicide bombers are taking part in the attack. They claim the Presidential Palace, Ministries of Justice, Finance, Mines and Industry are among the targets. There reports of casualties, but numbers and locations are unclear.

The attack is still in progress, with Taliban forces reportedly fighting Afghan security forces. Explosions, gunfire and rocket fire have been reported along with the suicide bombers. It is unclear as to whether this assault will prove larger than attacks carried out last February.

Early reports in a situation like this tend to be inaccurate, and it will be a while before we get a clear sense of what has happened. However, it is clear that this is a major assault.

vbo man

QuoteThe Alliance of Self-Deception: Success Can Only Come in Afghanistan If We Talk to the Radicals - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    The West wants to defeat the Taliban by paying off moderate fighters. What nonsense. Afghanistan's history shows that without giving the radicals a place at the table any effort at reconciliation is doomed to failure. Calls for an exit program underscore the helplessness of the NATO alliance.


Dakle Ameri pare na sunce i to ne za one moderate Talibane nego za radikalne...a oni koshtaju uhhhhh...mnogo vishe.
Ko poziva na exit program? Koliko se vidi USA poziva...Bespomocnost NATO-a ? Bash me chudi. Ne mogu da se izbore sa Talibanima a shta bi da imaju kakvog ozbiljnijeg neprijatelja xfoht . Pogotovu nekog koji i sam ima dugme...Izgleda se rat vishe ne isplati...osim pojedincima. A zbog pojedinaca se uvek i vodio.

QuoteNew Strategy?: German Military and Police Blast Merkel's Afghanistan Plan - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has emphasized the need for a new "strategic direction" in Afghanistan. But many German officials question Berlin's plan to slightly boost the number of troops and police trainers in the war-torn country. "We are training fighters for the Taliban," said one police spokesman.

Nemci )oni sa terena u Avganistanu) nebi vishe da treniraju borce za Taliban...al Angelu pritislo da shalje josh vojske i policije da ih trenira.


The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

QuoteU.S. defense fails missile test mimicking Iran strike | Reuters

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A maiden U.S. attempt to shoot down a ballistic missile mimicking an attack from Iran failed after a malfunction in a radar built by Raytheon Co, the Defense Department said.

    Barack Obama

    The Missile Defense Agency said both the target missile, fired from Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands, and the interceptor, from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, had performed normally after launch on Sunday.

    "However, the Sea-Based X-band radar did not perform as expected," the agency said on its web site. Officials will investigate the cause of the failure to intercept, it said.

    The SBX radar is a major component of the ground-based midcourse defense, the sole U.S. bulwark against long-range missiles that could be tipped with chemical, biological or nuclear warheads

Kad nema vishe Rusa valja ih izmisliti... xuzi
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

QuoteThe Pakistani newspaper, The News alleges that:

        "Afghanistan-based US predators carried out a record number of 12 deadly missile strikes in the tribal areas of Pakistan in January 2010, of which 10 went wrong and failed to hit their targets, killing 123 innocent Pakistanis. The remaining two successful drone strikes killed three al-Qaeda leaders, wanted by the Americans.

O je*em ih u tehniku :x . I onda Hate prizeljkuje da pritisnu dugmence na Moskvu xrofl ...Pogodice NY je*ote xuss
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

Nishta im ne ide ovih dana :cry:

QuoteWIRED (Danger Room): Gates Sacks Stealth Jet Chief, Blasts `Troubling Record' of Crucial Plane

    If the Pentagon doesn't get its Joint Strike Fighter just right, the U.S. military is screwed. Which is why its a such serious, serious problem this stealthy, all-purpose jet has had such a "troubling performance record," according to Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Things have gone so wrong that Gates just announced he's sacking the head of the star-crossed, nearly $350 billion program and is withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in performance fees to JSF-maker Lockheed Martin. "When things go wrong, people will be held accountable," Gates told reporters.

    The Air Force, the Marines, and the Navy are all counting on the stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to serve as its aircraft of the future, replacing everything from the A-10 to the F-16 to the F/A-18. It's meant to knock out the most advanced missile sites, spot the most elusive terrorists, and win dogfights with the most sophisticated jets from Russia or China -- all at a fraction of the price of the much-ballyhooed F-22 Raptor. Gates calls it the "backbone" of "American air superiority." Without the promise of the JSF, Gates would've never convinced Congress to stop production of the Raptor, the Air Force's most advanced dogfighter. By the time the program ends, there are supposed to be more than 2,400 of the planes in the American inventory, flying off of aircraft carriers, taking off from a conventional runway, or zipping straight up into the sky.

QuoteAnd those are the aircraft that are meant to fly from the decks of the UK's new aircraft carriers. Without these they are just expensive floating tennis courts.
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.


vbo man

Koje moronchine xfoht

Tek ce biti veselje kad se stotine hiljada ovakvih bolesnika vrate u USU...Good luck.
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

Ah this is the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. How appropriate!
Quote* [new] Re: Europe (none / 1)
'Pacification' of Europe is threat to security, US tells Nato | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Obama administration accused Europe's leaders of endangering peace because of reluctance to foot bill for adequate defence

    The Obama administration accused Europe's leaders of endangering peace today because of their growing ­pacifism and reluctance to foot the bill for adequate defence.

    In a withering attack on what Washington sees as European complacency in the face of new security threats, Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, demanded root-and-branch reform of the transatlantic alliance, voiced exasperation with Nato bureaucracy and said it was becoming increasingly difficult for the US and Europe "to operate and fight together".

    Gates told a Washington meeting of Nato officials and security experts "the pacification of Europe" had gone too far.


Polako pacovi napushtaju brod koji tone...Nece da shalju vojnike, nece da kupuju Americhko oruzje...
The light at the end of the tunnel is the train.

vbo man

QuoteBBC News - Newsnight - Newsnight poll suggests Afghanistan war 'unwinnable'

    Sixty-four per cent of British people think the war in Afghanistan is unwinnable, a BBC poll suggests.

    More than two thirds (69%) also think that the government has not done all it can to support British forces fighting in the conflict.

    Only 27% agree that the government has given sufficient support to UK forces.

    The poll was conducted for the BBC's Newsnight programme and included a random sample of 1,004 people in England, Scotland and Wales.

    The data was collected between 19-21 February 2010, while more than 1,000 British troops were taking part in Operation Moshtarak as part of a 15,000-strong Nato and Afghan offensive against the Taliban in Afghanistan's Helmand province.

Sve je manje onih koji veruju u Americhke ratove...posebno od kako je sve manje para...
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QuoteFrance24 - Town of Marjah declares 'historic' victory against Taliban

    AFP - The Afghan flag was raised over a town at the centre of a US-led offensive to capture a key Taliban stronghold on Thursday with the US Marines commander declaring it a "historic day".
     
    Mohammad Gulab Mangal, governor of Helmand province, raised the green, red and black flag in Marjah, watched by Brigadier General Larry Nicholson, the commander of the US Marines in southern Afghanistan, an AFP photographer said.
     
    "It's a very historical day, a new beginning," Nicholson told AFP at the ceremony, attended by a crowd of several hundred residents, watched over by US Marine snipers stationed on the roofs of surrounding buildings.
     
    Around 15,000 US, Afghan and NATO forces launched Operation Mushtarak ("Together") on February 13 in what has been billed the biggest military operation since the 2001 US-led invasion brought down the Taliban regime.

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QuoteHamid Karzai takes control of Afghanistan election watchdog

(The Guardian) - The Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, has unilaterally taken control of the country's top electoral watchdog, provoking outrage from western diplomats, the Guardian has learnt.

The Electoral Complaints Commission (ECC), which forced Karzai into a runoff election after it disqualified nearly 1m fraudulent votes in last year's presidential election, previously included three foreign experts named by the UN.

However, according to a new presidential decree published today, Karzai will have the exclusive power to appoint all five panel members. His decision to "Afghanise" the ECC came while parliament was in recess.

It provoked a shocked reaction from western diplomats, who fear parliamentary elections - due to take place in six months - will be fatally undermined by a repeat of last year's electoral fraud.

A western diplomat said Karzai had given "two fingers" to the western donors who had pumped millions of dollars into establishing democratic elections in the country. xrofl

He said the Afghan president was using his power to make laws while parliament was not sitting in order to get rid of the three UN-appointed foreigners who had dominated the five-member ECC.

The commission's Canadian chairman Grant Kippen and his two non-Afghan colleagues were instrumental in demanding an investigation into widespread fraud during the election last summer.

QuoteWhat is it good for?

(The Guardian) - The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 led to a war that brought much suffering to Afghans and no benefit to Russians.

In 1978, a curious cabal of idealist poets, would-be intellectuals, officers and KGB spies launched a coup, bringing down President Mohammed Daoud Khan's reign in the course of an afternoon. Victory was easily won but the communists had trouble winning the peace. Their violence was not only directed against the mujahideen, but also against rival leftist groups, the pro-Chinese Maoists, and members of the ethnically Tajik communist party, the Parchamis. The violence culminated in the murder of KGB-agent-turned-leader-of-the-Afghan-communist-party-turned president, Nur Muhammad Taraki, in September 1979.

Taraki had forged a personal relationship with Brezhnev (such intimate couplings include Mullah Omar and Bin Laden, Bush and Karzai). According to some Russian historians, Taraki's murder at the hands of his fellow communist party member Hafizullah Amin deeply upset Brezhnev and, feeling personally affected, he decided to invade Afghanistan to avenge Taraki's murder. The result was a 10-year war of little benefit to the Russians and much suffering to the Afghans.

During Soviet Era 100,000+ fatalities and over 1 million disabled and maimed Afghans

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QuoteBerlin Takes On Washington: German Foreign Minister Pushes for NATO Nuclear Drawdown - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle has been vocal in his demands that the US remove its nuclear weapons from German soil. Now he is calling for NATO to discuss the issue at an upcoming meeting, despite outspoken American opposition to his proposal.

    German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle looks set to spark new tension in trans-Atlantic relations with the latest move in his ongoing campaign to get the US to withdraw nuclear weapons currently stationed in Germany.

    Westerwelle and his counterparts from the Benelux countries and Norway have drafted a letter to NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen in which they call for the alliance to discuss how it can get closer to its goal of a world without nuclear weapons at an upcoming NATO conference. The letter, which has been obtained by SPIEGEL, is due to be sent in the next few days.

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Quote» German company Ecolog accused of drug smuggling in Afghanistan

    A German waste management firm employed by the NATO mission in Afghanistan has been accused of involvement in drug smuggling. Allegations against Ecolog and the Macedonian family behind it date back to the war in Kosovo.

    Allegations have surfaced that a German-based company contracted by NATO's ISAF troops in Afghanistan may have been involved in smuggling drugs out of the country.

    "There is a chance that drugs or other such things have been smuggled," NATO General Egon Ramms, chief at ISAF headquarters in the Netherlands told German public broadcaster NDR.

    The German general confirmed that an investigation was underway into allegations that Dusseldorf-based Ecolog used contracts with NATO or ISAF for illegal activities. The firm had been working for NATO in Afghanistan since 2003, Ramms said.

E evo ovo rade zapadna glasila...sad je to "Makedonska porodica" a nisu Albanci iz Makedonije...chim je neshto shto ne valja...Vec sam prichala o tome kako radi ova propaganda.Ako je neshto pozitivno e onda su to Albanci iz Makedonije, Srbije...
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QuoteBritain to Hamid Karzai: you must talk to Taliban now | World news | The Guardian

    Britain will tomorrow urge the Afghan government to put more effort into the pursuit of peace talks amid fears that the war could be prolonged - and more British lives lost - as a result of incompetence and lack of political will in Kabul.

    A speech to be delivered in the US by the foreign secretary, David Miliband, will reflect growing anxiety in London that President Hamid Karzai's professed desire for a political solution has not been backed up by any serious planning or concrete proposals.

    Unless more pressure is put on the Afghan government, some British officials predict that Karzai's proposed loya jirga, or grand peace council, due at the end of next month, will be little more than a PR stunt. "My argument today is that now is the time for the Afghans to pursue a political settlement with as much vigour and energy as we are pursuing the military and civilian effort," Miliband will say at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, according to a text of the address seen by the Guardian.
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QuoteDoD stimulates Afghanistani industries, possibly

    First he banned booze in his Kabul headquarters. Now the notoriously austere commander of US and Nato forces has a new target in his war on terror: ice cream and fast food.

    General Stanley McChrystal, the former commander of Special Forces in Iraq, who runs eight miles a day, eats one meal and sleeps for only four hours a night, has given orders to close the junk food concessions on Nato bases.

    No longer will the fighter pilots at Bagram or Kandahar airfields be able to ring Pizza Hut to deliver. Once General McChrystal has his way, the Whoppers will be off the menu: Burger Kings at both locations are to close. Even the newly opened TGI Friday's on the boardwalk in Kandahar is to close its doors once its contract expires.

    "This is a war zone, not an amusement park," wrote Command Sergeant-Major Michael T. Hall in a military blog.
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Quote* [new] Re: World (none / 0)
The US's Afghanistan "conundrum":

    Opium is an illegal drug, but Afghanistan's poppy crop is still grounded in networks of social trust that tie people together at each step in the chain of production.  Crop loans are necessary for planting, labor exchange for harvesting, stability for marketing, and security for shipment. So dominant and problematic is the opium economy in Afghanistan today that a question Washington has avoided for the past nine years must be asked: Can anyone pacify a full-blown narco-state?

    The answer to this critical question lies in the history of the three Afghan wars in which Washington has been involved over the past 30 years -- the CIA covert warfare of the 1980s, the civil war of the 1990s (fueled at its start by $900 million in CIA funding), and since 2001, the U.S. invasion, occupation, and counterinsurgency campaigns. In each of these conflicts, Washington has tolerated drug trafficking by its Afghan allies as the price of military success -- a policy of benign neglect that has helped make Afghanistan today the world's number one narco-state.

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