Utah lawmakers propose M1911 as official state gun
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110126/ap_on_re_us/us_utah_state_gun (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110126/ap_on_re_us/us_utah_state_gun)
I komentar:
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Weeping Orange Boner 3 minutes ago
You Yanks have more than a couple screws loose
It's been great fun watching the steady and rapid decline of your country.
Ne razumem u cemu je problem?
Utah voima 24 simbola kojim obelezava svoju istoriju, kulturu, proostore, i zele da dodaju jos jedan simbil. 1911 je poznat model, kojeg su izgleda u Utah natives izumeli. Nista lose u ovom.
Nama odavde Bloomberg deluje kao simbol americke dekadencije.
Pre 2 nedelje se cela zemlja prenerazila jer je a congresswoman prosteljena kroz glavu nasred ulice.
Nekako je momenat tacky.
Pre par godina je u jednoj drugoj drzavi zamalo proslo stavljanje religijskih simbola na registarske tablice.
Guns. And Bibles. That's what we need.
Suludo.
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"Would you like Freedom fries with that, Sir?"
Tacky moment? Wow, to kao ono na TV Dnevniku "ovo su bile vesti za 4. maj koji za nas nikad nece biti isti dan kao ostali".
Ti bi prvi trebalo da znas da je kreacija "tacky/inappropriate moments" izum da se putem diskorsa kontrolise mass behavior.
Kao npr. sitting together & prom night at SOTU je dizajnirano od powers to be da maskira koliko je preCednik nepopularan, i koliko je malo demokrata ostalo u kongresu u odnosu na proslu godinu, te da se republikancima stavi brnjica na lice.
The politics of dancing...
Quote from: Tromotorac
Kao npr. sitting together & prom night at SOTU je dizajnirano od powers to be da maskira koliko je preCednik nepopularan, i koliko je malo demokrata ostalo u kongresu u odnosu na proslu godinu, te da se republikancima stavi brnjica na lice.
The politics of dancing...
Или су
баш одабрали овај тренутак за такво што....
Читао сам да су у Аризони, беше, где је била ова задња пуцњава, пет-шест дана после легализовали право тамошњим академцима да по кампусу носе оружје, додуше испод одела.
Да не кажем тоге.
The politics of Freedom fries.
Quote from: slawen on January 26, 2011, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac
Kao npr. sitting together & prom night at SOTU je dizajnirano od powers to be da maskira koliko je preCednik nepopularan, i koliko je malo demokrata ostalo u kongresu u odnosu na proslu godinu, te da se republikancima stavi brnjica na lice.
The politics of dancing...
Или су баш одабрали овај тренутак за такво што....
Читао сам да су у Аризони, беше, где је била ова задња пуцњава, пет-шест дана после легализовали право тамошњим академцима да по кампусу носе оружје, додуше испод одела.
Да не кажем тоге.
Evo ja sam na licinom mestu, i to nije tacno.
Prosle godine smo na referendumu izglasali ustavni (AZ state) amandman za conseal carry weapon bez permita, medjutim to i dalje podrazumeva regulaciju nosenja oruzja na kampusima, privatnim biznisima ili 1000ft u radijusu skola. Ako me npr zaustavi policija preko puta skole, i nadje na meni skriveno oruzje, mogu svasta da urade - oduzmu oruzje, oglobe, uhapse...
Mnogo ima buke, propagande i otvorene neistine na sve strane. Zapad ima drugaciju kulturu glede cuvanja i posedovanja oruzja. Pogled na svet i zivot iz NYC ugla nije jedini.
Да, да, ово за Аризону је било да се допусти ношење оружја у кафанама, а за оружје по колеџима je било нешто друго (Вирџинија, можда? Кад пронађем, поставићу, ако не заборавим).
Pre nekoliko meseci jedan mi nudi posao. Goldman Sachs. Gde? "Salt Lake City". I'm still here...
Quote from: Hate mail on January 27, 2011, 01:19:20 AM
Pre nekoliko meseci jedan mi nudi posao. Goldman Sachs. Gde? "Salt Lake City". I'm still here...
Mogao si da imas harem tamo. I Bibliju u tri dela (Ono, "The book of morons")
@ Gagarin: Eво, нашао сам (кликабл) (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11guns.html?_r=1&scp=8&sq=guns%20colleg&st=cse) у Тајмсу; био си у праву, то још нису закони, још увек су само предлози (за разлику од оног о оружју по кафанама (а где жеш са пиштољем, него у кафану) који је гувернер већ потписао:
In Arizona, the liberalization of gun laws has accelerated over the last two years, after Jan Brewer, a Republican, succeeded Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, as governor in 2009, putting Republicans in control of both the Legislature and the governor's office.
In the last two weeks, two bills were introduced relating to the right to carry guns on college campuses, one allowing professors to carry concealed weapons and one allowing anybody who can legally carry a gun to do so.
"Here in Arizona, it's very difficult to change the culture," said Hildy Saizow, president of Arizonans for Gun Safety. "But we're going to try."
Oно, заправо, што је мени интересанно јесте да је Џон Браунинг рођен 23. јануара тамо неке године, а држава Јута је прогласила 24. јануар за дан Џона Браунинга.
:mrgreen:
Једино ако за ових 150 година није дошло до померања календара....
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Quote from: slawen on January 27, 2011, 11:52:56 AM
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ma na wiki piše greškom da je ovaj Jutac rođen 21-og januara ...
pa sam to izbris'o ... nemam mogućnost da izbrišem poruku ...
ostali samo dugmići ostala samo jedna tačkica
Ах, та Википедија....
Кад једног дана некоме падне спејс шатл у авлију, биће то због погрешних података на Википедији.
Juce sam postirao na pogresnoj temi, potom izgubio post. Da probam ponovo...
Zakonom je sada dozvoljeno nosenje oruzja u lokale gde se toci alkohol, ukoliko vlasnik lokala to dozvoljava. I dalje postoji primat vlasnika biznisa da odluci da li ce njegov biznis biti weapons free zone, ili ne.
Isto kao sto na ulazu u Ikeu stoji nalepnica da je zabranjeno unosenje oruzja, tako moze da bude nalepnica i na ulazu u kafanu i tu je gotova prica.
Statisticki gledano, ovde je opao broj nasilnog kriminala odkad je dozvoljeno law abiding gradjanima da se naoruzaju. Za razliku od npr. Chicaga gde je postenom svetu zabranjeno nosenje oruzja, i gde su samo kriminalci naoruzani - tamo se mnogo vise gine nego ikad.
Colt state :)
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/02/22/20110222arizona-bill-proposes-colt-state-official-firearm.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/02/22/20110222arizona-bill-proposes-colt-state-official-firearm.html)
I would have expected they go with the Glock 19 with extended mag.
Heh, citao si komentare u threadu?
Ako mislis na onog kretena, koristio je Glock 17. Anyways, glupa sala.
DENNYS GRAND SLAM (WHOLE VIDEO) CHICOPEE MASS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxeZvUKpFbM#ws)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/02/22/2011-02-22_florida_woman_busted_for_assaulting_roommate_over_girl_scout_cookies.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/02/22/2011-02-22_florida_woman_busted_for_assaulting_roommate_over_girl_scout_cookies.html)
Хах...
Šeribana Ibić (42) iz Beograda nađena je mrtva juče u 7.30 u šumi pored autoputa Beograd-Zagreb, u blizini Kliničko-bolničkog centra "Bežanijska kosa". Zbog sumnje da je prethodne večeri Šeribanu Ibić zadavio pertlom, uhapšen je njen nevenčani suprug sa kojim ima petoro dece Hambija Berišaj (44). Motiv zločina je navodno ljubomora jer je Berišaj tvrdio da je ženu zatekao kako se ljubi sa njegovim najboljim drugom.
Sherrybanni & Chambye... rightdog?
Heheh, ovakvih pickaranja nema u AZ. Tu gde je 80% ljudi naoruzano, ljudi se mnogo redje upustaju u tuce.
Isto sa pljackom i nasiljem. Jedino mesto u PHX gde su hronicni napadi i ubistva, jeste oko Arizona State University, weapons free zone, gde studentkinje, deca od 18-24 god. idu ocigledno nenaoruzana.
definitivno zanimljiv pogled na stvari...
i u Teksasu se prica o zakonu kojim bi se dozvolilo nosenje (sakrivenog) oruzja na univerzitetima. Nekako sam se bojao da cu deci uskoro morati da kupim mobilne kad eto vidim da ce pistolji biti prvi. Da ne idu bez zastite.
... a Chicopee Police spokesperson said that for someone to be charged with simple assault and battery the attack must occur in the presence of a police officer.
:shock:
Sindikalno udruzenje sluzbenih lica ne popusta vec vekovima.
Quote from: slawen on February 24, 2011, 10:04:57 PM
... a Chicopee Police spokesperson said that for someone to be charged with simple assault and battery the attack must occur in the presence of a police officer.
:shock:
Video sam to. Nisam znao sta da mislim.
Mozda je key word ovde "simple"?
Колико сам ја упратио, они (тамошњи керови) ово третирају као прекршај (мисдеминор), а не као кривично дело (фелони), па је ту за покретање поступка неопходан предлог оштећеног.
Нешто је слично и код нас, али не по тој подели (прекршај/к.д.) већ за нека лакша к.д. као и за нека тежа кад је учинилац члан породице.
Међутим, искрен да будем, мене је овај видео силно узнемирио (за разлику од момака који наручују да им се долије каХва док нагарављени крмак хефта оног малецког несрећника), а верујем и још неке госте или раднике речене кахване (мада је 2 АМ) што је довољан разлог да се ово третира као фелони.
Колико бих ја, међутим, одавде могао рећи на основу снимка, чини ми се да и у тој Чикопичкиматерини полиција ради ИСТО као и у Чајетини. То јест, не меша се много у свој посао.
Јеботе, ко би рекао да је та Амерука толико србизована?
Da je belac zavarivao onog babuna vec bi SWAT team uhapsio celo to mesto a Sharpton bi urlao ovde po ulici, mediji bi objavljivali dan i noc slike "vicious attacker"-a i bilo bi specijalnih emisija na znamenitim TV stanicama o tome kako je moguce da manjine i dalje tako strasno pate.
Pa kad ima profesionalnog bukacha za preCednika...
"Police acted stupidly"
Не знам, док гледам ово, некако ми се пред очима руше.... нећу овде, да не кварим забаву.
Video je zaista disturbing.
Kad sam ja svojevremeno bivao u Dennisu u 2am, srecom, svi su bili miroljubivi. Danas taj Dennis i ceo taj mall ne postoje, zatvoreni jos 2002.
The upside je da je ovde totalno moguce baviti se poslovima cistog genija.
Ај хоуп со.
Зипа овог:
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Ovo je velika zemlja.
Ako si rad nagledati se muka uzurpatorskih vrsta koje napucuju ovaj (nas) deo Severnoamerickog kontinenta, onda bih ti preporucio ovaj saIt (paj' ovoga, i taj pipkao neko dete... od jedno 17.5)...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/florida/some-parts-us-redneck-actually-considered-religion (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/florida/some-parts-us-redneck-actually-considered-religion)
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Ovo nesto kao "Poslovni sekretar"
sta drugo reci do 'survival of the fittest'.
U dennis ne zalazim a ovo dvoje su posteno dobili po picci. ne znam sta je prethodilo pumpanju ali u najmanju ruku su se 'sirili' sto je kokoska i nastavila i kada je decko dobio batine.
sta ovaj video treba da pokaze? da su crnci zivotinje? da su belci mucenici? da je denis u 2am pun ko oko te vredi investirati u firmu?
Trebalo je da dokaze Assault & Battery.
....where is the policeman, when you need one....
Sto se mene tice, video je presented "as is".
mozda mi se ucinilo...
ne znam sta te tera da uopste i citas, kamoli gledas, ovakve vesti. Dva i vise pavijana se sepure pred ribama. ovaj svet retko srecem i vidjam niti imam zelju.
Quote from: AFord on February 25, 2011, 01:49:59 AM
ovo dvoje su posteno dobili po picci
Iznenađenjima nikad kraja.
Quote from: Tromotorac on February 23, 2011, 05:59:22 PM
Heheh, ovakvih pickaranja nema u AZ. Tu gde je 80% ljudi naoruzano, ljudi se mnogo redje upustaju u tuce.
И да домјетнем
Нисам сигуран да би пиштољ у овој ситуацији било каква добра донео:
- питање је да ли би га мршавко уопште потегао, све и да га је имао; ако је онако
стоички (мада је тачна реч
невешто) поднео песничење, а да бар није ни под сто пробао да побегне, ако већ није
знао или
смео да се супротстави кад га је напао побеснели tacozillа, онда је крајње упитно да ли би се и са утокаром боље снашао
- чак и да је био наоружан и да је успео да под песницама извади оружје, могао би да дође у позицију А) да му га Хозе отме и реторзионо набије у дупе, ако га одмах не употреби или Б) да буде приморан да пуца и при томе погоди Б1) некога недужног у кахвани (мада тврдим да нема невиних), односно да Б2) уканта буцова и онда за њега одговара као за човека, сјебавши тако у оба случаја сопствени живот до коске, трајно и неповратно (јер ако су жандари ово протумачили само као прекршај, без обзира што су приликом simple assault-а нанете battery, онда не би могао ни да се позива на нужну одбрану).
Соу....
So, it's probably best to avoid trashy places, trashy people, and trashy places where trashy people congregate.
Quote from: Hate mail on February 25, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
So, it's probably best to avoid trashy places, trashy people, and trashy places where trashy people congregate.
Which is why we live in family oriented middle class subrubs.
Quote from: Hate mail on February 25, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
So, it's probably best to avoid trashy places, trashy people, and trashy places where trashy people congregate.
100%.
Uzgred, upscale neighborhood u bilo kom americkom gradu je izvanredna sredina kako bi se izbegli dodiri sa tom ekipom.
Zaista jedini put kada smo imali sitnijih problema je kada su posle evakuacije New Orleansa u nas kraj u bivsi fudbalski stadion doveli hiljade 'izbeglica' iz potopljenih krajeva koji su uzgred bili puni sirotinje, i naravno svega sto sirotinju prati.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/25/new.york.voodoo.fire/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/25/new.york.voodoo.fire/index.html?hpt=T2)
The voodoo that you do...
Yeah: it could have been prevented by the Immigration & Naturalization Service.
To je onaj pozar ciju sam jednu od slika stavio onomad na "Neke cudne fotke".
Sva sreca, pa zivim u zgradi gde je selection process "tough" (nista ispod 100k/year, "Are you Christian?" [I'm not kidding], "Wall Street? Oh, that's nice...", uradili su mi criminal, credit pa cak i interpol/war criminals report) pa je verovatnoca ovakvih idiotizama krajnje, krajnje negligible...
Uh, tu je najveca verovatnoca da naletis na interesantan komsiluk.
... an elderly woman... A voodoo priest allegedly placed the candles on the floor around the bed on Saturday after a woman paid him $300 to perform a ceremony with a sexual component, that was meant to bring her good luck....
Опалио је за срећу. :mrgreen:
Da domjetnem samo da sam na uvid jos morao da predam bank statements/bank letters sa svih savings i brokerage racuna koje sam tada imao - sa kompletnim balansima (!), zatim poreske records za prethodne 3 (tri) godine, employer letter iz HR-a sa navedenim iznosom plate i bonusa za tu godinu (Katie did a bang-up job on that one, adding to the total the "second" little bonus we unexpectedly received in 2007, due to buying a very large FX brokerage shop the year prior, and having to move our new, consolidated cross-firm fiscal year by one quarter "up" - thus the 2nd bonus), pismo-preporuku iz firme (my boss's boss is my buddy from my 1st job, so I had him do it) i jos neke gluposti (neke i nisam stigao da prikupim kao recimo friend/acquaintance pismo-preporuku C-level lika & mog dobrog drugara iz prethodne, 2nd firme). Mislim da su plata, bonus(i) i oni jebeni balansi (te fakt da sam na ono nedozvoljeno pitanje odgovorio sa "Yes, my family is of Christian heritage" sto je gospodja Byrne protumacila kao "da" a ja tako uspeo i da zadovoljim njene irske katolicke frustracije/fiksacije i u isto vreme maestralno izbegao da se licno deklarisem pripadnikom necega tako besmislenog, trivijalnog...) ucinili svoje ("cinis 'voliko").
Komsiluci su uvek interesantni.
Ja bih voleo da nikad i ne dolazim u kontakt sa drugim ljudima i njihovim odioznim idiosyncracies, osim kada me pritera. Nazovi(te) me asocijalnim, ali od onih vasaka u zabavistu (age 4) ja sam nekako prestao biti humanistom.
Taj jebeni kontakt sa ozracjem je izgleda nemoguce izbeci, bio ti usred brown stucco cookie-cutter-homes-dotted sleepy suburbia tamo u AZ ili usred ovog mravinjaka. Licno, na fakt da mi, kada me verni Victor bas ne vozi kuci, 20 ljudi dise za vrat i da ne mogu da prdnem a da to neko ne cuje ili bar oseti - gledam kao na trade-off za mogucnost da uzimam velike pare ne koristeci nista osim mozda pola mozga. Te da ne moram cak ni sam, od svoje muke, da se vracam kuci posle svega toga. Only in New York.
A ako me ko nadrka, 2,000m u krug ima 50-100 blue chip konkurentskih firmi sa kombinovanim GDP-om nekih kontinenata koje imaju razumevanja za takve situacije.
Ja sam ti simpleton from sleepy suburbia, pa ne shvatam sta si u stvari hteo da kazes sa svim onim qualification & jumping thru hoops da bi rentao stan kod irske gazdarice. Zivis u prestiznom kraju? Christian neighborhood? Crime free? People free?
Kako god, da sam i ja u NYC verovatno bih i ja poput tebe izbegavao ljude. Ovde to nije potrebno.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/26/us-texas-scholarships-idUSTRE71P25M20110226 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/26/us-texas-scholarships-idUSTRE71P25M20110226)
Texas group to offer college scholarships to white men
(Reuters) - Members of a new Texas association are starting a college scholarship program for a group of students they say do not have as many scholarship options as others -- white men.
Colby Bohannan, a student at Texas State University in San Marcos, and some friends have formed the non-profit Former Majority Association for Equality, which will provide the scholarships. The idea was that there are many scholarships geared toward helping minorities and women attend college, and there are also scholarships for people from certain religions or from certain families. But Bohannan thought his demographic group was missing.
"We know that we're going to be receiving some vicious attacks, from people claiming that we are racists, or promoting some bigotry-filled agenda," Bohannan said on Thursday.
Starting this summer, the association plans to provide as many as five $500 scholarships to deserving white men who have at least a 3.0 grade point average, Bohannan said.
"Our aim is actually just to help students," he said. "We are not trying to jump on any political agenda or bandwagon."
Non-Hispanic whites are, in fact, a minority in the state of Texas. Census numbers released earlier this month show that they make up about 42 percent of the state's population, down from more than half just ten years ago.
To qualify for the group's scholarship, applicants have to be able to prove that they are at least 25 percent Caucasian," Bohannan said.
"We're not looking for blond-haired, blue-eyed, stereotypical white males," he said. "My feeling is that if you can say you're 25 percent Caucasian, you're Caucasian enough for us."
Quote from: Tromotorac on February 27, 2011, 05:22:41 PM
Ja sam ti simpleton from sleepy suburbia, pa ne shvatam sta si u stvari hteo da kazes sa svim onim qualification & jumping thru hoops da bi rentao stan kod irske gazdarice. Zivis u prestiznom kraju? Christian neighborhood? Crime free? People free?
Kako god, da sam i ja u NYC verovatno bih i ja poput tebe izbegavao ljude. Ovde to nije potrebno.
1. Nadam se da mi ne imputiras da sam te nazvao "simpletonom iz sleepy suburbie". Ukoliko se auto-deklariras, I beg to differ but who am I to.
2. Nadovezivao sam se na vec zapoceti diatribe (my topic, my diatribe) o tome kako je seemingly zahtevno bilo izrentati jedan obicni jebeni stan krajem 2007. a ovo delimicno glede & u svezi prethodno pomenutih slabih izgleda da se tu kod mene desi onakav jedan voodoo incident.
3. Neighborhood jeste skoro iskljucivo Christian. Ima i Jevreja a neke od matorijih cesto pod ruku izvodim uz ili niz neke stepenice kad se bas zateknem u blizini dok oni
namilaju da sidju ili se uspnu uz iste.
4. Voleo bih da vidim kako neko u NYC misli da uspe da izbegne ljude. That's some skill! :mrgreen:
5. Tamo kod tebe nije potrebno jer koliko sam video, a priznajem da sam permanentno pod utiskom ovog mravinjaka, i nema nikoga na ulici?
Ride of her life (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/woman-survives-65km-ride-on-car-bonnet/story-e6frfku0-1226015058984)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/graphic/2011-01/58951060.jpg (http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/graphic/2011-01/58951060.jpg)
This is what he may call "bedding a woman"...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/cops-man-trapped-woman-fold-out-couch-403011 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/cops-man-trapped-woman-fold-out-couch-403011)
Quote from: Hate mail on March 03, 2011, 05:51:25 PM
This is what he may call "bedding a woman"...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/cops-man-trapped-woman-fold-out-couch-403011 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/cops-man-trapped-woman-fold-out-couch-403011)
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People don't trap mother-in-laws,
Couches Do
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/index.html?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/index.html?hpt=C1)
They point to these signs of racial anxiety:
• A recent Public Religion Research Institute poll found 44% of Americans surveyed identify discrimination against whites as being just as big as bigotry aimed at blacks and other minorities. The poll found 61% of those identifying with the Tea Party held that view, as did 56% of Republicans and 57% of white evangelicals.
• More colleges are offering courses in "Whiteness Studies" as white Americans cope with becoming what one commentator calls a "dispossessed majority group."
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http://chronicle.com/article/In-Talk-to-Governors-Bill/126543/ (http://chronicle.com/article/In-Talk-to-Governors-Bill/126543/)
Jos zanimljivi su komentari (uglavnom profesori i ostali 'akademski' employees - bibliotekari, administratori, itd) na ovaj clanak - kao da si na b92 forumu!
Oh, boy... at least I'll get to collect my bonus (end of April)...
http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html?hpt=C1)
Quote from: Hate mail on March 06, 2011, 08:25:36 AM
Oh, boy... at least I'll get to collect my bonus (end of April)...
http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html?hpt=C1)
"We see people that unfortunately give us the other finger" xrofl
" We are not bunch of crazies" xrofl
Oh Lord!
A i film stize 11 marta
3.11.11 xfrog
Battle Los Angeles | trailer #1 US (2011) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKC_ORM0vpo#ws)
Quote from: slawen on March 02, 2011, 09:33:00 PM
Ride of her life (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/woman-survives-65km-ride-on-car-bonnet/story-e6frfku0-1226015058984)
Koliko god mi se drakonske kazne za petty-thefts u Americi ne svidjaju (tj odvratne su mi), toliko volim sto zlocine protiv zdravlja drugih nazivaju pravim imenima. U ovom slucaju attempted murder - sto i jeste.
U Holandiji prosle godine neki prljavi marokanski klinac pricao sa pijanim beskucnikom, dok je njegov ortak sve to snimao kameron, da bi kasnije to stavili na youtube, i onda ga gurnuo kanal u sred zime, posle cega su smejuci se otisli
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/989041/9fd3ad5e/speciaal_voor_advokatenkantoor_teurlings_ellens.html (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/989041/9fd3ad5e/speciaal_voor_advokatenkantoor_teurlings_ellens.html)
I bogzna kako se uzburkala smrdljiva islamska komunita kad ga je godinu dana posle incidenta konacno privelo na razgovor.
Ilinojis ukinuo smrtnu kaznu.
People's Republic of Illinois.
Ja podrzavam ovaj progresivni korak.
Zasto ne ostale progresivne korake kojima PRI koraca?
Na ostale se nisam obazirao. Govorim o ovome. I jedini razlog je mogucnost greske. (ne verujem u sanktiti of lajf). Ako se ne varam, smrtna kazna je skuplja za drustvo, tako da taj argument otpada. Oni koji bi bili pogubljeni ce sad da popuse dozivotnu (verovatno bez pomilovanja) i to je to.
Illinois je jednopartijska drzava, i trenutno daleko progresivnija od NY i CA. Njihovi planovi u vezi drustvene potrosnje, taksacije su kompletno counterintuitive, a gun policies veoma populisticke. Skoro je Rahm Emanuel, sada Chicago mayor-elect, rekao da ne vidi nikakav problem u reparacijama za ropstvo. Utrkuju se u nenadjebivosti, i ova promena zakona je deo toga. Imas nekoliko Dem politicara na raznim polugama vlasti, koji se medjusobno ne podnose.
Trenutno iz Wisconsina & Indiane beze u Illinois (uglavnom Dem. senatori), ali kad krene picvajz u Illinoisu (a krenuce signurno) bice bezanija na sve strane, ukljucujuci i Wisconsin.
Jbt, da vezemo ovu temu sa onom "Ameri pokajtesja" stvarno dolaze smutna vremena. U sta se pretvara nekad progresivna zemlja.
Unrleated - 82 percent of US schools may be labeled 'failing
kako je uopste moguce terati status kvo pored ovakvih rezultata? Da li je zaista jedini moguci cilj ocuvanje sindikalnih uredjenja bez obzira sto je drzava u raspadanju?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gPmjfDMN5nHOpeSIZYLwkVfKAHGQ?docId=c7dc0757afd54b5ca2836c00de44535f (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gPmjfDMN5nHOpeSIZYLwkVfKAHGQ?docId=c7dc0757afd54b5ca2836c00de44535f)
82 percent of US schools may be labeled 'failing'(AP) – 1 hour ago
An estimated 82 percent of U.S. schools could be labeled as "failing" under the nation's No Child Left Behind Act this year, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Wednesday.
The Department of Education estimates the number of schools not meeting targets will skyrocket from 37 to 82 percent in 2011 because states are toughening their standards to meet the requirements of the law. The schools will face sanctions ranging from offering tutoring to closing their doors.
"No Child Left Behind is broken and we need to fix it now," Duncan said in a statement. "This law has created a thousand ways for schools to fail and very few ways to help them succeed."
Duncan delivered the news in remarks to a House education and work force committee hearing, in urging lawmakers to rewrite the Bush-era act. The law was established in 2002 and many education officials and experts argue it is overdue for changes.
President Barack Obama has highlighted reforming the act as a priority for his administration, and both Democrats and Republicans have agreed that it needs to be changed — though disagreements remain on how.
The current law sets annual student achievement targets designed with the goal of having all students proficient in math and reading by 2014, a standard now viewed as wildly unrealistic.
Duncan said the law has done well in shining a light on achievement gaps among minority and low-income students, as well as those who are still learning English or have disabilities. But he said the law is loose on goals and narrow on how schools get there when it should be the opposite.
"We should get out of the business of labeling schools as failures and create a new law that is fair and flexible, and focused on the schools and students most at risk," Duncan said.
The Department of Education said its estimate was based on four years of data and the assuming all schools would improve at the same rate as the top quartile.
"Even under these assumptions, 82 percent of America's schools could be labeled 'failing' and, over time, the required remedies for all of them are the same — which means we will really fail to serve the students in greatest need," Duncan said.
Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
skolstvo je u Americi otislo u qrac. Sve se zasniva na M&A aktivnosti - i.e. dovodjenju skolovanih mladih ljudi iz ostatka sveta.
Ako hoces dobru naobrazbu za decu plati privatnu skolu. Ako te zanima 'besplatna' drzavna opet moras da platis, nema dzabe.
Sa druge strane i skolski sistem treba raskantati sa sve tim sindikatima.
U medjuvremenu, u Wisconsinu:
(http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/death-threat.jpg)
Wisconsin Capitol locked down as state Assembly takes up bill
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Obamin koncept "civility". Ovo njegova predizborna ekipa organizuje i potpaljuje.
WI STATE TROOPERS USE PHYSICAL FORCE AGAINST PEACEFUL PROTESTERS; WALKER BORDERS DOMESTIC TERRORISM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RflAAKZUxtA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JkGiEydQkY&feature=player_embedded#at=132 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JkGiEydQkY&feature=player_embedded#at=132)
Potpuno za ocekivati, bilo gde i svugde gde nastupi situacija sa otimanjem istog broja jedinki oko sve manje gomile proteina, oktana, novcanih jedinica, perli, fertilnih zenki...
Kad su ovako nesto radili bitter clingers Tea Party people? Koju skupstinu su oni zauzimali?
Republican Politicians Taunted After Voting In Wisconsin! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_5Lx_1mtI#ws)
Ne pratim ja bas svaki drustveni fenomen.
"I ovo je nase!" Uzviknuse radnici u skupstini krnje SFRJ. i dodase "Hocemo Slobu!".
"Ziveo Savez Komunista. Zivela radnicka klasa" Odgovori Sloba i doda "A sada svako na svoj radni zadatak".
"Verujemo Slobi" Rekose radnici u erotskom zanosu i odose na radni zadatak.
U stvari, kao i sve, i to je side effect smanjujuceg tanjira.
Tanjir sve manji a dupe sve vece. Zapaljiva kombinacija.
Tea Party ljudi nisu nikad trazili tudji tanjir, samo da im se drzava skine sa grbace.
Pa to je to. To je zero sum game. I want, you want, he wants, she wants, they want, we want - all want the same.
U biti, grupE se otimaju oko tanjira. Jedni trenutno drze tanjir, drugi trenutno traze da ga otmu. There's only one tanjir, thus groups fight. Same phenomenon, one currency, one market, zero sum game.
Trenutni (ne samo sada nego in general, u svakom trenutku) ownership je of lesser import.
OK, moze tako da se gleda.
I Marks i Micheal Moore tvrde da tanjiri pripadaju "narodu". Back to 1917...
Marks je koliko znam smatrao da drzava treba da narodni tanjir raporedi tom istom narodu kako ona smatra da treba. Ziveo ovaj u mom avataru.
Jeste. Marks je takodje rekao da diktatura proleterijata treba oruzanom borbom da oduzme tanjire onima koji ih poseduju, pa da ih potom deli. Nesto u stilu sto su Chegevara i Fidel radili.
QuoteTrenutni (ne samo sada nego in general, u svakom trenutku) ownership je of lesser import.
tzv legalni ownership je zaista of lesser importance u nestabilnim vremenima. Nestabilna vremene nastaju periodicno, i citave imperije su propadale bez da je aktualna vlast bila u stanju ista da uradi da to spreci (dakle, kakva god da je vlast bila, nista ne bi mogli da urade) - jednostavno je splet vanjskih okolnosti takav s vremena na vreme.
Dalje, postoji law of diminishing returns. Gagarin vice (i cudim mu se) "aaaa, nece da rade, lenji su, vidi mene" itd. itsl. Naravno ima i toga, ali periodicno nastaju vremena kad jednostavno nema posla, mogu citave grupe ljudi da se trude koliko hoce i posla opet nece biti, niti ce oni biti u stanju ista korisno da proizvedu.
E, u takvim situacijama, zavisno od mnogo faktora kao sto su mentalitet naroda, velicina akumuliranog bogatsva (sto je vece - duze ce trajati da tenzije i nemiri pocnu), razvijenost osecaja solidarnosti itd.; mozes ili da budes hard-liner i testiras prag tolerancije tih "sto nece da rade" (u stvari tih za koje nema posla) ili mozes preventivno da se odreknes dela kolaca u njihovu korist i tako sprecis nemire, kriminalitet itd.
Dok se kolac/tanjir sukcesivno smanjuje.
Gde sam ja rekao ili insinuirao "vidi mene"? Ja vrlo retko isticem ista licno, ponajmanje da se pokazujem poslom, kucom, paystubom ili bilo cime.
Da me nisi pomesao sa nekim drugim forumdzijom?
Awwww, cute.
Facts of life are that we all 1. have jobs, 2. paystubs, 3. kuce ili vec nekakva stanista, 4. et alia.
Ako gadjas u kakvog specific forumdziju ne primetih nigde da je neki cifre pominjao/la vec samo common ground stvari pobrojane ovde malo iznad. So, like, please explain.
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 10, 2011, 08:19:39 PM
Dalje, postoji law of diminishing returns. Gagarin vice (i cudim mu se) "aaaa, nece da rade, lenji su, vidi mene" itd. itsl. Naravno ima i toga, ali periodicno nastaju vremena kad jednostavno nema posla, mogu citave grupe ljudi da se trude koliko hoce i posla opet nece biti, niti ce oni biti u stanju ista korisno da proizvedu.
ovo nije tacno. Da, slazem se da postoje vremena ekonomskih kriza kada se velicina kolaca smanjuje ali potrebe za robom, uslugom uvek postoje. Dakle i u teskim vremenima se oni sposobniji, mozda samo i najsposobniji snadju, dok drugi propadnu ili cekajuci da im se struka povrati, ili jednostavno cekajuci da se velicina kolaca toliko poveca da za svakog bude ponesto.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 10, 2011, 08:23:40 PM
Gde sam ja rekao ili insinuirao "vidi mene"? Ja vrlo retko isticem ista licno, ponajmanje da se pokazujem poslom, kucom, paystubom ili bilo cime.
Da me nisi pomesao sa nekim drugim forumdzijom?
mislio sam na "vidi mene kako sam
vredan" :) (as in hard working)
Quote from: AFord on March 10, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 10, 2011, 08:19:39 PM
Dalje, postoji law of diminishing returns. Gagarin vice (i cudim mu se) "aaaa, nece da rade, lenji su, vidi mene" itd. itsl. Naravno ima i toga, ali periodicno nastaju vremena kad jednostavno nema posla, mogu citave grupe ljudi da se trude koliko hoce i posla opet nece biti, niti ce oni biti u stanju ista korisno da proizvedu.
ovo nije tacno. Da, slazem se da postoje vremena ekonomskih kriza kada se velicina kolaca smanjuje ali potrebe za robom, uslugom uvek postoje. Dakle i u teskim vremenima se oni sposobniji, mozda samo i najsposobniji snadju, dok drugi propadnu ili cekajuci da im se struka povrati, ili jednostavno cekajuci da se velicina kolaca toliko poveca da za svakog bude ponesto.
Pa nisi negirao nista sto sam ja rekao. Naravno da ce onim sposobnijim uvek da bude bolje. U dobrim vremenima je dobro i manje sposobnim, te ne moraju da dobijaju "milostinju" od onih sposobnijih (kroz razne donacije, kreiranje totalno bespotrebnih poslova socijalne beneficije itd), u losim vremenima je sve drugacije.
pa dobro ali ni 'law of deminishing returns' nema veze sa ovim gore :)
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 10, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 10, 2011, 08:23:40 PM
Gde sam ja rekao ili insinuirao "vidi mene"? Ja vrlo retko isticem ista licno, ponajmanje da se pokazujem poslom, kucom, paystubom ili bilo cime.
Da me nisi pomesao sa nekim drugim forumdzijom?
mislio sam na "vidi mene kako sam vredan" :) (as in hard working)
Opet gresis. Ja nikad nisam isticao ni da sam hard working, niti obratno. Nadji gde sam ikad napisao "vidi mene kako sam.... [anything]".
A drugo, ovi magarci u Wisconsinu, su government employee unions koji nece izgubiti poslove, ako guverner ima cime da im skrese neke od njihovih beneficija. Njihov sindikat je taj koji hoce da sacuva bargaining rights, po cenu gubitka radnih mesta (sta njih briga, oni ocuvavaju vlast).
Inace govt./public sector employees u Wisconsin-u, dakle ovi isti ucitelji koji rade u K-12 obrazovanju koja je 89% failure, zaradjuju u proseku $120K / year sa beneficijama. Ne racunajuci policajce i vatrogasce. Ostali non-public sector u Wisconsinu imaju prosecnu zaradu ok $65k.
Niko od ovih sto protestuju, ako nisu dovezeni busevima iz Illinoisa, nije bez para, posla i krova nad glavom.
To je sto citav ovaj cirkus i cini "Only in Ameirkuh"!
Smrt, smrt, O, SMRT sindikatima!
uh, jedva cekam da vidim i cujem "Postupi po naredjenju"
Quote from: Pijanista on March 10, 2011, 09:25:22 PM
Smrt, smrt, O, SMRT sindikatima!
Sindikati su mafijaske organizacije. Na Midwestu su veoma opasne, umeju fizicki da se obracunaju sa onima koji ne pristanu da im se pridruze, od obicnih batina do polomljenih ruku, nogu i glava, ili - ako imas srece - samo stete na kolima, isecene gume ili razbijena svetla, stakla. U right to work states, su manje agresivni.
A sto je najgore, ta kolektivisticka udruzenja zabole za pojedince. Briga njih da li ce gazda/poslodavac/drzava da otpusti tu i tamo 10-100-1000 radnika, dok oni zadrzavaju svoje pregovaracke poluge. Oni ce pre pristati da njihovi clanovi budu otpuisteni, nego da sindikat izgubi neka pregovaracka prava. Po definiciji, fraudelent, zlocinacko udruzenje.
Oni su znacajno doprinelu krahu Detroita.
Da citiram jednog ekonomistu iz naftne industrije, pre par decenija u SAD, sindikat se borio za "prava" rudara uglja, vece plate itd: "Their Union is US biggest oil salesman".
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 10, 2011, 09:42:19 PM
A sto je najgore, ta kolektivisticka udruzenja zabole za pojedince. Briga njih da li ce gazda/poslodavac/drzava da otpusti tu i tamo 10-100-1000 radnika, dok oni zadrzavaju svoje pregovaracke poluge. Oni ce pre pristati da njihovi clanovi budu otpuisteni, nego da sindikat izgubi neka pregovaracka prava. Po definiciji, fraudelent, zlocinacko udruzenje.
ima jedan fantastican dokumentarac 'American dream' koji je 80-ih dobio i oskara. Film prati strajk i strajkace u Ostinu, malom gradicu u Minesoti gde je najveci (i jedini) poslodavac svinjska klanica i proizvodjac mesnog nareska.
Fantasticno je za gledati prvo strajkace, prvo sta oni hoce (nudili su im iznad prosecne dnevnice koju su odbili), preko vodja lokalnog sindikata koji teraju strajk mimo te sindikalne organizacije na federalnom nivou (jer isti nisu hteli posto su ovi vec dobili ponudu vecu od vecine ostalih lokalnih ogranaka) i sve preko konsultanta/savetnika kog su doveli iz Njujorka da im pomogne oko organizovanja.
Kraj je tragican. Posle 3-4 meseca svi radnici gube posao, fabrika zaposljava nove iz okolnih mesta, grad tone, lokalne vodje sindikata se sto sele u druge gradove i preuzimaju nove funkcije, a savetnik se dobro naplativsi svoje usluge vraca kuci. Naravno on je bio i glavni zagovornik da se ne popusti, da se tera do kraja a svako odugovlacenje mu je bila nova lova.
Ako niste gledali pogledajte. odlican film.
Wisconsin Assembly passes bill to curb collective bargaining
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/14/ray.sweat.lodge.witnesses/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/14/ray.sweat.lodge.witnesses/index.html?hpt=T2)
Cape Verde, Arizona (CNN) -- James Arthur Ray's spiritual warriors journeyed to the foot of the mystical red cliffs of Sedona, Arizona, to find enlightenment. They were willing to shave their heads, meditate in the desert for 36 hours without food and water, then symbolically die and be reborn in a sweat lodge ritual.
They were seekers, not flakes. Doctors, engineers, salespeople, small-business owners -- professionals who paid $10,000 to break down personal barriers they believed kept them from achieving all they could.
But how hard participants in Ray's motivational seminars pushed themselves -- and how intensely Ray pushed his acolytes -- is one of the central questions being examined here in Yavapai County as his trial on manslaughter charges unfolds.
Prosecutors say three spiritual warriors died from the heat after 2½ hours in a sweat lodge on October 8, 2009. Nineteen others collapsed, vomited, had trouble breathing, hallucinated, foamed at the mouth or fell unconscious.
Some of the 55 people who followed Ray into the sweat lodge are now reliving the experience at his criminal trial at a remote desert courthouse far from the magic of Sedona. There are no New Age crystal shops or aura readers here. Roaring lions can be heard from a neighboring safari park.
Native Americans: Trial shows exploitation of our traditions
Ray, a 53-year-old preacher's son, best-selling author and self-help coach, is accused of recklessly causing the deaths of Kirby Brown, 38, of Westtown, New York; Lizbeth Neuman, 49, of Prior Lake, Minnesota; and James Shore, 40, of Milwaukee. If convicted of three counts of reckless manslaughter, he could go to prison for more than 30 years.
Ray's Los Angeles legal team says that what happened was an accident, not a crime. The defense suggests the participants were poisoned, either by pesticides in the dirt or by rat poison that came into contact with the tarps covering the sweat lodge. They say authorities minimized these possible causes and instead focused immediately on building a case against Ray, the California-based New Age outsider.
Lead prosecutor Sheila Polk has indicated the trial will unfold in three stages: testimony from the participants, followed by medical experts, and finally police investigators. The trial opened on March 1 and could last four to six months.
So far, seven witnesses have offered a detailed timeline of the seminar's events, along with gripping descriptions of a sweat lodge ceremony gone terribly wrong. They've talked about what drove them to become spiritual warriors, and what they expected to achieve. And they've described the extremes some people will endure in the name of enlightenment.
They've also offered a glimpse of the last conscious moments of the victims -- Brown, Neuman and Shore.
Inside the lodge, Brown, a free-spirited painter and avid surfer who spent most of her time in Los Cabos, Mexico, drew her knees to her chest and rocked back and forth, chanting, "We can do it," according to testimony.
Neuman, a divorced mother of three who worked as a database administrator, quietly hunkered down until she slipped into unconsciousness. Fellow participants believe she was determined to finish the sweat lodge ceremony because she felt ashamed after Ray chastised her for being with a group of experienced volunteers who shared snacks and a bottle of wine.
"Choosing to go in the sweat lodge, I believe she had something to prove to James Ray," said Jennifer Haley, a volunteer from California who was a member of what Ray called the Dream Team. "I believe that her feeling shameful absolutely had everything to do with her dying in that sweat lodge."
Shore, a father of three who worked for an internet marketing company, carried one stricken women out of the lodge, and returned. He was found unconscious next to Brown. He was holding her hand as if he were comforting her, according to testimony.
Witnesses said Canadian real estate agent Dennis Mehravar emerged from the sweat lodge vomiting and screaming, "My heart, my heart! I don't want to die!" He testified that he passed out. When he regained consciousness, he asked a volunteer if he was dead and was told, "No, you're back." Mehravar testified that Ray later told him he had been reborn.
Lou Caci, a long time friend of Ray, became so disoriented that he staggered into the pit of hot stones, burning his arm and letting out "a bloodcurdling scream," according to testimony. After he was hosed down and cooled off, Ray encouraged Caci to return to the sweat lodge, saying that he would carry a permanent reminder of his experience, according to testimony.
Ray already has settled the civil claims against him, paying an undisclosed amount of money, according to his website.
He was riding high as he planned the 2009 Spiritual Warrior session, which was held at the 70-acre Angel Valley Retreat. His book, "Harmonic Wealth: The Secret of Attracting the Life You Want," made the New York Times best-seller list the previous year, and it was getting him noticed. He appeared on "The Oprah Winfrey Show," "Larry King Live" and "The Today Show."
His seminars offered an eclectic mix of New Age spirituality, corporate team building exercises and Native American rituals. As he told participants before the sweat lodge ceremony: "I might even chant in Hebrew."
Ray and the people he coached believed that achieving altered states of consciousness led to "breakthroughs," according to testimony. Drugs and alcohol were not permitted inside their "sacred space." Instead, Ray exhorted participants to "play full on" in exercises that involved role-playing, sleep deprivation, lectures, journal writing, fasting and physical challenges.
"If you choose to play full on, you are going to have one of the most intense altered states you've ever had in your entire life," he told the four dozen participants and seven experienced Dream Team volunteers, according to tapes played in court.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=player_embedded#at=16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=player_embedded#at=16)