Poll
Question:
Кад ће Амери моћи да се повуку из Авганистана
Option 1: У року од годину дана
votes: 0
Option 2: При крају Обаминог мандата (избори су чудо)
votes: 3
Option 3: 5 година
votes: 1
Option 4: 10 година
votes: 0
Option 5: туги њиховој краја нема
votes: 2
Option 6: Изгубиће рат, реприза Сајгона на крају
votes: 2
Нови, најновији, гањц-испод-чекића "The Economist". Тема Авганистан:
The Afghan surge:Obama's war (http://znaksagite.com/7k/index.php?action=post;board=8.0;poll)
Има коматић већ како отпоче ово крљање са мус... овај, Ал Каедом. Дедер, да видимо ко, како и у што (политички) вјерује. Кад ће успјети да "среде" (или среде) Авганистан?
Oni tamo mogu da sede i da sede i tesko da ce ista da "srede" ili srede u dogledno vreme. Znaci - cenim - jedino ostaje varijanta da je povuku onako bez reda. Ne da 'izgube rat' jer tu rata ustvari nema nego samo da sracunaju da im se - iz ovog ili onog razloga - ne isplati da sede tamo. Pitanje ostaje - da li ce neko drugi - za njihov racun - da ostane i posle toga a oni da mu obezbedjuju 'moralnu' i zracnu podrsku.
Inace - vrlo mi je bilo simpaticno da gledam kako se ekipa lozi na to da ce polubeli (ili polucrni) Obama (aka Baglama) da prekine taj (i onaj drugi) rat i da povuce 'nase momke' kuci i te fore... Slicno i sam (posve belim) premijerom Australije od koga su (naivci) ocekivali slicno...
Jedna od vrlo 'aktivnih' opcija za brzi zavrsetak 'angazmana' u Avganistanu je da se pojavi nova, jos veca, clear & present danger - stvarna ili imaginarna - na koju ce moci da se pozovu kad budu hteli da se povuku bez dodatnih obrazlozenja i, naravno, bez nekih posebnih rezultata... To je tema o kojoj treba aktivno misliti a oni mogu, ako budu hteli, da krvare tamo jos jedno 100tinak godina, onako rutinski. Ditto za Irak.
Quote from: iDemo on December 03, 2009, 02:04:15 AM
Jedna od vrlo 'aktivnih' opcija za brzi zavrsetak 'angazmana' u Avganistanu je da se pojavi nova, jos veca, clear & present danger - stvarna ili imaginarna - na koju ce moci da se pozovu kad budu hteli da se povuku bez dodatnih obrazlozenja i, naravno, bez nekih posebnih rezultata... To je tema o kojoj treba aktivno misliti a oni mogu, ako budu hteli, da krvare tamo jos jedno 100tinak godina, onako rutinski. Ditto za Irak.
Aliens ?:)
SPIEGEL Online:
Searching in Vain for the Obama Magic
By Gabor Steingart (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,664753,00.html)
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,664753,00.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,664753,00.html)
I jos jedan komentar:
Most Worthy Comment On Obama's Afghanistan Speech (http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/13035-Most-Worthy-Comment-On-Obamas-Afghanistan-Speech.html)
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...Obama's whole plan sounds like just enough to keep his generals from resigning, but not enough to defeat the Taliban. An upfront capitulation and retreat would actually be better. That would say we don't want to win but would leave open the question of whether we could have won if we wanted to. But the result we'll get will say we couldn't have won in any case, that American arms simply couldn't prevail. Notice that he said nothing about why he's sending 2 brigades less than his commander asked for. It probably polls better that way....
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Obama graduated from Columbia and he knows absolutely nothing about US and World history. Nothing! Listening to him reminds me being in a coffee shop in the late 60s, trying to make my move on a beautiful girl, but as the 4th international idiocies tumbled out of her mouth, the beauty slowly vanished, and chastity became easy--at least with her. Four things can kill sexual desire: hunger, exhaustion, fear, and listening to an idiot. That's why in Ranger school, all I could think of was a good meal. On a LRRP patrol in Vietnam, just getting safely back to base. In the coffee shop in Minneapolis, just getting the hell out of there. Wonder why these memories came back as I listened to Commander Zero's speech tonight?
Мајкл Мур у отвореном писму опомиње гробницом империја (Џингис Кан, СССР).
То је ваљда последње упозорење пре снимања филма. ;D
(http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2009/11/27/12/11262009judge112909.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.91.jpg)
To se ne zove vishe rat nego OCO ( overseas combat operation ili tako neshto) ,Imaju ih tushta i tma po svetu...
Nekoliko razmishsjanja Evropljana i Amera na ovu temu;
QuoteIt is becoming clearer to me that the US strategy in Afghanistan is going to be an Iraq II. The obvious above the table part is composed of a "surge" and, of course, the training of the armed forces. However, the [largely] unspoken counterpart of all that is the pay off of war lords patterned on the "Awakening" or "Sons of Iraq" strategy which was decisive in lowering the level of violence [somewhat] in Iraq.
So why not just avoid the escalation with its accompanying bloodletting and devote those funds to paying off the Afghan war lords (and the Taliban) right now? Put then on the CIA payroll right now and have them hunt for Bin Laden, while they're at it. It think it would make a heck of a lot of sense from a costs benefits point of view.
QuoteOne way to to this might be for the US to implement policies that guarantee top prices for opium products.
QuoteWell, it is the sausage-making process, so you might as well just grind up the health care money with the GIs. Opium-flavored sausage, delicious, and so good for you too.
QuoteThe US is already paying off the Taliban to keep them from attacking its convoys. It is already funding local narco-trafficking militias with personal ties to the government through its secret service. SNAFU, and all that....The problem is the fucked up nature of the government and the secret ops that have already been ongoing, as well as the wrongheaded focus on the drug side of the equation. The strategy would be much simpler for the US military if it got into the trade itself (officially).
QuoteYeah, legalize opium, regulate it and list it on the commodity markets. It could also serve as a new store of wealth for those concerned about the dollar. At least if one took physical possession of the opium it would have intrinsic value for deadening the pain of the economy.
QuoteI can't work out what it's supposed to achieve.
Oh, that's easy. Business for the techno-military complex (ie. surveillance drones, Predators and assorted UAVs)
QuoteThe whole thing is just pointless. The Taliban and AQ live there. They ain't going anywhere. Eventually the US will leave and they will still be there. And when the US leaves the government of Afghanistan will fall. Again.
And the Taliban will take-over.
Again.
Ali oni su komunjare ;D
A sta, jesu Ameri jos u Avganistanu? ???
Najzgodnije bi bilo da se Pakistan, ovaj, " oslobodi" nuklearnog arsenala, pa neka se nose u pizdu materinu podudivlju i oni i Avganistan, al' to malo teze ide....
Ja ne znam , i ne znam da li ko zna sta je pobeda u Avganistanu. Na kraju balade cemo nesto morati da nazovemo pobedom, i idemo odatle. Avijacija i abramsi tamo ama bas nista ne znace. Onoliku zemlju ne mozes da kontrolises bez pola miliona vojnika, ili mozda i vise. Niko nije dovoljno lud za tako nesto. Mislim da ce se vise para i vremena potrositi na stabilizovanje Pakistana nego na pobedu, whatever the fuck that is, btw, u Avganistanu.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/business/jdi/jdi091202_1_n.shtml (http://www.janes.com/news/defence/business/jdi/jdi091202_1_n.shtml)
Hm, ne znam samo da li ce oni divljaci iz FATA, kad umarsiraju u Islamabad bitri zainteresovani za avijaciju ili za shariju.
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 03, 2009, 02:28:25 PM
Najzgodnije bi bilo da se Pakistan, ovaj, " oslobodi" nuklearnog arsenala, pa neka se nose u pizdu materinu podudivlju i oni i Avganistan, al' to malo teze ide....
Само што постоји она теорија (а за коју нијесам спреман теке-тако да одбацим) да ако их пустимо тамо да се разбашкаре (и сербез вЕЏбају и подижу "нове нараштаје"), бојати се да нам не гине кркачина с њима а по НР Калифорнији, а по СР Онтарију. Знаш, нико, али нико на овој планети "а" није рекао кад се "равнао" Авганистан.
Локалне прилике у овом ћошку се своде на "soldier on" (са подваријацијама на "stiff upper lip") а знаш како ти је Канада једна ратоборна & надркана нација.
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 03, 2009, 02:28:25 PM
Najzgodnije bi bilo da se Pakistan, ovaj, " oslobodi" nuklearnog arsenala, pa neka se nose u pizdu materinu podudivlju i oni i Avganistan, al' to malo teze ide....
Daj me potseti, molim te, ko je uopste 'uvalio' Pakistanu nuklearni arsenal?? Ili - jos bolje - ko im dade blagoslov za isti? Cenim da je USofA al' me mrzi da se bakcem. Ako jeste USofA onda je prirodno pitanje - zbog cega... Sto bi rekli nasi stari - svako zasto ima svoje zato...
U nedostatku Alien-a posluzice i Pakistan. Eto ti zato. Mada nije iskljuceno ni da tehnologija uskoro omoguci i bezmalo perfektnu Alien simulaciju. Nije 500 triliona (and growing) mala stvar. Treba to pokriti nekim sadrzajima...
Quote from: Hate mail on December 03, 2009, 11:21:16 PM
U nedostatku Alien-a posluzice i Pakistan. Eto ti zato. Mada nije iskljuceno ni da tehnologija uskoro omoguci i bezmalo perfektnu Alien simulaciju. Nije 500 triliona (and growing) mala stvar. Treba po pokriti nekim sadrzajima...
;D
Gledaj malo 'The men who stared at goats' pa ce ti biti jasno kakvim se sve sadrzajima pokriva. Ne bi e ni puk Radisic postideo. A ni rip Milja - da je ziva...
Ma meni malo bljak taj "duhovnost" fazon i neopravoslavlje (i srbovanje iz "Odjeka i reagovanja") neke oficirske sakalude... inace ti verujem bez da gledam... imas ti publiku za svaku vrstu kazalista... A tek glumce...
Quote from: Hate mail on December 03, 2009, 11:21:16 PM
U nedostatku Alien-a posluzice i Pakistan. Eto ti zato. Mada nije iskljuceno ni da tehnologija uskoro omoguci i bezmalo perfektnu Alien simulaciju. Nije 500 triliona (and growing) mala stvar. Treba to pokriti nekim sadrzajima...
Ili zombies , kao u igricama i filmovima
Sasvim legitimno. ;D
Onda nas nista vise ne moze iznenaditi
Quote from: iDemo on December 03, 2009, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 03, 2009, 02:28:25 PM
Najzgodnije bi bilo da se Pakistan, ovaj, " oslobodi" nuklearnog arsenala, pa neka se nose u pizdu materinu podudivlju i oni i Avganistan, al' to malo teze ide....
Daj me potseti, molim te, ko je uopste 'uvalio' Pakistanu nuklearni arsenal?? Ili - jos bolje - ko im dade blagoslov za isti? Cenim da je USofA al' me mrzi da se bakcem. Ako jeste USofA onda je prirodno pitanje - zbog cega... Sto bi rekli nasi stari - svako zasto ima svoje zato...
Homegrown. A. Q. Khan, koji je otac atomskog programa, i lik koji je patentirao ovo primitivno obogacivanje uranijuma je svercovao tehnologiju Iranu, Koreji i Siriji. On fasovao kucni pritvor nekoliko godina, Pakistan do picvajza 9/11 bio pod americkim sankcijama.
Pa sta je sef ISI-ja radio kod Teneta da sam dan? Radna poseta?...
Quote from: Hate mail on December 04, 2009, 01:31:55 AM
Pa sta je sef ISI-ja radio kod Teneta da sam dan? Radna poseta?...
Sta hoces da kazes? Sva zla sveta proizvedena u Langeley-u, da bi se zataskala pljacka na Wall St?
Ko te ubedio u to? Miskop? :)
Gde si to video?
Quote from: Hate mail on December 03, 2009, 11:21:16 PM
U nedostatku Alien-a posluzice i Pakistan. Eto ti zato. Mada nije iskljuceno ni da tehnologija uskoro omoguci i bezmalo perfektnu Alien simulaciju. Nije 500 triliona (and growing) mala stvar. Treba to pokriti nekim sadrzajima...
Zakleo bih se da se ovde kriju bar 3-4 konspiracije?
Шта би с оним пројектованим нафтоводом кроз Авганистан и Пакистан, за Туркменбашијеве сировине?
QuoteRobert Kaplan, the resident neocon at The Atlantic :As the U.S. slowly loses its dominance, it will increasingly need to rely on Europe. For we cannot take on the world on our own.
QuoteIn his latest dispatch, "Let's Go, Europe", Kaplan writes that "NATO staggers on" and that "just keeping Europe on the ground, in uniform, in Afghanistan represents an achievement of sorts" for the Obama administration that "that we should not belittle".
QuoteBecause the cause of international peace and security sometimes requires a willingness to fight, and humanitarian rescue missions often rely on skills honed in combat, the U.S. has, since the end of the Cold War, had to try to enlist Europe in its grand strategy, despite what some might legitimately consider Europe's neopacifism.
Pink slon o kom niko nece da prica je da su oruzane snage zapadnoevropskih zemalja neadekvatne, slabe, zapustene. Britanija nema helikoptere da prebacuje trupe po Avganistanu, a jedina ulaze dogovorenih 3% GDPja u vojsku (svaka NATO clanica bi morala, barem sudeci po NATO charteru).
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 10, 2009, 02:08:32 PM
Pink slon o kom niko nece da prica je da su oruzane snage zapadnoevropskih zemalja neadekvatne, slabe, zapustene. Britanija nema helikoptere da prebacuje trupe po Avganistanu, a jedina ulaze dogovorenih 3% GDPja u vojsku (svaka NATO clanica bi morala, barem sudeci po NATO charteru).
Nema veze - zato je svih 300 Hrvata (sa sve kravatama) na prvoj liniji fronta.
QuotePink slon o kom niko nece da prica je da su oruzane snage zapadnoevropskih zemalja neadekvatne, slabe, zapustene. Britanija nema helikoptere da prebacuje trupe po Avganistanu, a jedina ulaze dogovorenih 3% GDPja u vojsku (svaka NATO clanica bi morala, barem sudeci po NATO charteru).
O tome se i radi da Evropa nece da ulaze pare i trud u military jer trenutno nema neke ochite opasnosti...zashto ovaj neocon i pizdi na Evropu. A ochito im se jebe za Americhke ratne avanture xfrog
Quote from: iDemo on December 03, 2009, 02:04:15 AM
Jedna od vrlo 'aktivnih' opcija za brzi zavrsetak 'angazmana' u Avganistanu je da se pojavi nova, jos veca, clear & present danger - stvarna ili imaginarna - na koju ce moci da se pozovu kad budu hteli da se povuku bez dodatnih obrazlozenja i, naravno, bez nekih posebnih rezultata... To je tema o kojoj treba aktivno misliti a oni mogu, ako budu hteli, da krvare tamo jos jedno 100tinak godina, onako rutinski. Ditto za Irak.
panem et circenses
QuoteJedna od vrlo 'aktivnih' opcija za brzi zavrsetak 'angazmana' u Avganistanu je da se pojavi nova, jos veca, clear & present danger - stvarna ili imaginarna - na koju ce moci da se pozovu kad budu hteli da se povuku bez dodatnih obrazlozenja i, naravno, bez nekih posebnih rezultata...
Pa ja eno na sva zvona prde kako su postigli uspeh u Iraku i eto samo da im daju jedno 1.5 i postici ce isti takav uspeh u Avganistanu xfoht , pa mogu da se povuku ( na trece mesto) i da nastave sa "uspesima"...Boze me sakloni kad ih slusham te Americhke generale prosto ne mogu da verujem shta prichaju.Ochito zaboravljaju da to shto prichaju nije samo za unutrashnju upotrebu ( za one zombirane Amere) nego da to slusha ceo svet xuzi .
Irak je stabilizovan u poredjenju sa periodom iza nas. Bez ulazenja u uzroke rata - Iracani su 2003. imali sansu da nesto od sebe naprave u reltivno kratkom roku. Koliko se samo novca slilo odavde tamo, i koliok se jos sliva, Marshall plan je sica. Njima je, ipak, prioritet bio da se jedni drugih naubijaju na najzverksije eacine, da otimaju jedni drugima decu i burgijaju im glave, salju samoubice na decu sto igraju fudbala i slicno. Rokali su se kao nenormalni 4-5 godina, sad im je valjda dosta. A iako nije, ko im jebe mater, sto se mene tice.
Ma kakvi da im je dosta...oni to volu...takva je to stoka :shock:.Stabilizovali ste ga nema shta xuss
Ulozili ste pare? Jel ima neki smajlic koji se pocepa od smeha?
Pare ste ulozili to stoji ali u shta ? I gde su te pare?Otishle u onu Irachku ulichknu kanalizaciju?
QuoteBez ulazenja u uzroke rata
xjump
Mislim Zagore stvarno...totalno si postao pravi Amer.I ti i cela ekipa tamo.Ja ne znam ni shto se javljate na ove srpske ( smrdljive) diskusije.
Sad me proglasite za pravog Srbina koji eto obozava " bratski Irachki narod" . pa da zavrshimo prichu.To je bar lako...
Ziveli su kao stoka pod onim manijakom, imaju sansu da zive kao ljudi pod izabranom vlascu. To je prosta cinjenica.
I sto, jer sto milijardi dolara kesha malo za zemlju od 20 miliona ljudi?
Quote from: vbo man on December 10, 2009, 03:46:09 PM
Ma kakvi da im je dosta...oni to volu...takva je to stoka :shock:.Stabilizovali ste ga nema shta xuss
Ulozili ste pare? Jel ima neki smajlic koji se pocepa od smeha?
Pare ste ulozili to stoji ali u shta ? I gde su te pare?Otishle u onu Irachku ulichknu kanalizaciju?
QuoteBez ulazenja u uzroke rata
xjump
Mislim Zagore stvarno...totalno si postao pravi Amer.I ti i cela ekipa tamo.
hmmm, nije mi jasno na koga se odnosi ovo "cela ekipa"???
A sto se tize zagorovog komentara, I am totally blown away....whooooooooooooshhhhhhh veci je papa i od samog pape...
Ovako nesto nisam cula ama bas ni od najreakcionarnijih mrakova u novoj mi domovini....
QuoteOvako nesto nisam cula ama bas ni od najreakcionarnijih mrakova u novoj mi domovini....
E vala :x
Chast chasnim izuzetcima Amans ali mi se chini da je jedna ekipa dokopavshi se dobrog zivota u USA zaista postala "veci katolik od Pape".
Prosto gubim volju da polemishem kad neko izadje sa ovakvim "argumentima"...
Pobili su preko milion ljudi, razjebali zemlju , evo IZABRALI im Ameri i vlast pa ne ide...milijarde dolara nek potraze tamo gde su ih ulozili ( u vishe od sto baza koje se trenutno zidaju u Iraku iz koga oni evo samo shto nisu izashli koliko juche...naravno lako je sad kad su sve "stabilizovali" :mrgreen: }.
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 10, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
Irak je stabilizovan u poredjenju sa periodom iza nas. Bez ulazenja u uzroke rata - Iracani su 2003. imali sansu da nesto od sebe naprave u reltivno kratkom roku. Koliko se samo novca slilo odavde tamo, i koliok se jos sliva, Marshall plan je sica. Njima je, ipak, prioritet bio da se jedni drugih naubijaju na najzverksije eacine, da otimaju jedni drugima decu i burgijaju im glave, salju samoubice na decu sto igraju fudbala i slicno. Rokali su se kao nenormalni 4-5 godina, sad im je valjda dosta. A iako nije, ko im jebe mater, sto se mene tice.
Vozim se na posao jutros i razmisljam o ovome, pa se setih.
Lazem, cula sam nesto slicno :mrgreen: al' u drugom kontekstu, zato mi je omaklo: islo je nekako ovako:
"Ma pusti ih, kolju se oni vec vekovima, to je iskonska mrznja....
Njima je, ipak, prioritet bio da se jedni drugih naubijaju na najzverskije eacine, da otimaju jedni drugima decu i burgijaju im glave, salju samoubice na decu sto igraju fudbala i slicno. Rokali su se kao nenormalni stotinama godina, sad im je valjda dosta. A iako nije, ko im jebe mater, sto se mene tice.. Kod Srba i Hrvata, to je u genima da se mrze i kolju, sta se to nas (amera) tice, bolje mi da gledamo nasa posla, a ne da mirimo kad oni vole da se kolju.....itd. itd. itd. i sve u tu plocu, godinama. I tako se to verglalo tokom devedesetih ovde do bola. A i sada se da cuti kojekuda....po potrebi
Da su ostale drzave pametne i doslijedne, kao sto nisu, a posebno evropske nacije, pa da povuku svoje ljude/momke iz Iraka i Afganistana u svojstvu borbenih trupa/"peace keeping forces", i da tamo jedino ucestvuju u mirnodopskim aktivnostima (pomoc oko rekonstrukcije drzavnih infrastruktura) i u humanitarnoj pomoci, da ostave USA da se sami bore u ratovima koje su zapoceli, eh...
Dzavide, rat je biznis....zasto bi se oni koji profitiraju odricali $$$$?
Quote from: vbo man on December 11, 2009, 06:01:43 AM
QuoteOvako nesto nisam cula ama bas ni od najreakcionarnijih mrakova u novoj mi domovini....
E vala :x
ok, ok, vbo, mozda to ima veze sa tim sto vise niti gledam tv, niti citam novine hehehe...sve se ponavlja...ringeringeraja...
Juce ujutro, ukljucim NPR, ajd da cujem ima li sta novog, nema smisla ziveti kao pustinjak, tending to my garden (contradiction in terms, :) . Kad pocese da pricaju o istrazi koju britanska vlada sprovodi povodom pocetka irackog rata i kako sad generali are coming out of woodwork sa pricama o nepotrebnom haosu, klanju itd. daleke nam 2003.
I naravno iskljucima momentalno radio.
Nekad im je trebalo decenije da se saberu, prvo odrade sta su hteli, opustose, opljackaju...itd.itd., onda dodju naucnici, istoricari, filozofi da pisu knjige o tome kako je to bilo ruzno i nikada vise, ne ponovilo se, blah blah blah...
Sad sve sve, u skladu sa brzinom protoka informacija i ostalog, ubrzalo. Nije proslo ni pet godinice i vec se posipaju pepelom.
Za par godina, klace i bombardovace i posipace se pepelom istovremeno. Naravno uz profit. Nema ja vise stomak za to. Omatorilo se :?
Quote from: D(z)avid on December 11, 2009, 02:47:54 PM
Da su ostale drzave pametne i doslijedne, kao sto nisu, a posebno evropske nacije, pa da povuku svoje ljude/momke iz Iraka i Afganistana u svojstvu borbenih trupa/"peace keeping forces", i da tamo jedino ucestvuju u mirnodopskim aktivnostima (pomoc oko rekonstrukcije drzavnih infrastruktura) i u humanitarnoj pomoci, da ostave USA da se sami bore u ratovima koje su zapoceli, eh...
Уф, уф, уф... Авганистан је такав један рај на земљи био, све цвјетало и појало, а ондаК је зла екипа са стране дошла и "започела рат" :P
Уз суво дрво гори и сирово, а?
Е неће бит'. Дођеш и Буде величине
Mt. Rushmore, одрађене цирка хиљаду година прије проналаска динамита прво ркаш артиЛеријом, па послије довршиш иним експлозивима посао? Ето само то, да остатак љепота под Талибанима не спомињемо?
Они буду тебе риста равно на суд.
Pour encourager les autres.
Ja sam bio protiv rata u Iraku. Strateska greska. Ali je takodje cinjenica sve ostalo sto sam napisao. Nisu marinci nikog terali da zakolje prvog komsiju cim je Sadam najuren iz Bagdada. To je stvar izbora ekipe koja tamo zivi. Sto se mene tice, mogu da se pobiju do poslednjeg, jebe mi se apsolutno sta se tamo zbiva. Da je mene neko pitao, nijedan Amerikanac ne bi tamo nogom krocio. Pazuh planete.
Quote from: vbo man on December 11, 2009, 06:01:43 AM
QuoteOvako nesto nisam cula ama bas ni od najreakcionarnijih mrakova u novoj mi domovini....
E vala :x
Chast chasnim izuzetcima Amans ali mi se chini da je jedna ekipa dokopavshi se dobrog zivota u USA zaista postala "veci katolik od Pape".
Prosto gubim volju da polemishem kad neko izadje sa ovakvim "argumentima"...
Pobili su preko milion ljudi, razjebali zemlju , evo IZABRALI im Ameri i vlast pa ne ide...milijarde dolara nek potraze tamo gde su ih ulozili ( u vishe od sto baza koje se trenutno zidaju u Iraku iz koga oni evo samo shto nisu izashli koliko juche...naravno lako je sad kad su sve "stabilizovali" :mrgreen: }.
Ko je pobio milion ljudi? Izvadite te brojeve iz dupeta, i odjenom postanu cinjenice. I koliko je, od pobijenih ljudi, ma koji broj da je u pitanju, domaca radinost, a koliko rezultat rata sa americkom vojskom?
Quote from: D(z)avid on December 11, 2009, 02:47:54 PM
Da su ostale drzave pametne i doslijedne, kao sto nisu, a posebno evropske nacije, pa da povuku svoje ljude/momke iz Iraka i Afganistana u svojstvu borbenih trupa/"peace keeping forces", i da tamo jedino ucestvuju u mirnodopskim aktivnostima (pomoc oko rekonstrukcije drzavnih infrastruktura) i u humanitarnoj pomoci, da ostave USA da se sami bore u ratovima koje su zapoceli, eh...
Mirnodopskim aktivnostima? Talibani deru zive(bukvalno, dakle, u najbukvalnijem smislu te reci) ljude koji isporucuju lekove i knjige za skole po selima, pobogu coveche. Tu ekipu leci samo metak u celo, sa takvima se ne pregovara.
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 11, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
Ko je pobio milion ljudi? Izvadite te brojeve iz dupeta, i odjenom postanu cinjenice. I koliko je, od pobijenih ljudi, ma koji broj da je u pitanju, domaca radinost, a koliko rezultat rata sa americkom vojskom?
Молим? Ти заборавио, а?
Shock and Awe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Gzi0KUbN0#)
What goes around, comes around.Људи се примили. Повјеровали, чак. Тамо су равнани не блок, него блокови зграда, у сред милионског града.
И нико није погинуо.
To nisam rekao.
Al' milion nije, to je besmislica.
U Bosni je do skoro pricano o 250,000 zrtava rata, ispade manje od 100,000. Jezivo, ali manje jezivo.
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 11, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
To nisam rekao.
Al' milion nije, to je besmislica.
Је ли, или није ли, америчка војска
controlling power, на
терену?
Свијет не интересује ко рка цивиле, већ:
- ко је одговоран за ситОВацију гдје цивили гину
- чији је посао да то спријечи
- што чини да то спријечи.
Judged and found wanting. Case closed.
Cinili su sta su mogli da ucine. 25 miliona ljudi namerenih da se medjusobno pobiju je malcice teze obuzdati. Vidi pod SFRJ.
Quote from: Monte on December 11, 2009, 05:24:30 PM
Је ли, или није ли, америчка војска controlling power, на терену?
Свијет не интересује ко рка цивиле, већ:
- ко је одговоран за ситОВацију гдје цивили гину
- чији је посао да то спријечи
- што чини да то спријечи.
Judged and found wanting. Case closed.
Ako se vec svijet toliko brine ze civile u Iraku, neka izvoli poslati trupe.
Ako SAD ostanu, onda su okupatori. Ako odu, onda su krivi za rasulo Iraka.
O tome da je SAD jedan od glavnih krivaca za sranje, to je jasno.
Nema rjesena koje ce se svima svidjeti.
Raznim frakcijama po Iraku ovo super odgovara. Americki vojno-industrijski kompleks, Iran i lokalni mocnici ovo stanje odrzavaju vec 6 godina. I svima pase.
Dio irackih civila i americki poreski obveznici placaju racun.
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 11, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
Cinili su sta su mogli da ucine. 25 miliona ljudi namerenih da se medjusobno pobiju je malcice teze obuzdati. Vidi pod SFRJ.
Поређење је потпуни промашај, да простиш. Ирак је био фина једна секуларна тиранија гдје је ркање пролазника било на нивоу "бијелог шума" и општеприхваћених узуса у том дијелу свијета.
Неко је са 'тране отворио Пандорину кутију, и то нико, скорих дана, заборавити неће.
Quote from: neprijateljska emigracija on December 11, 2009, 05:32:31 PM
Ako se vec svijet toliko brine ze civile u Iraku, neka izvoli poslati trupe.
Е, али зато је много лијепо имат и други рат који исти ти Амери поведоше, гдје су трупе на терену, а у Авганистану. Кад су ономад B-52's просули СТОТИНЕ тона експлозива по Тора-Бора планинчинама, био аплауз од Рта Добре Наде до Владивостока.
Ирак ће бит из неке друге приче.
Quote from: neprijateljska emigracija on December 11, 2009, 05:32:31 PM
Ako SAD ostanu, onda su okupatori. Ako odu, onda su krivi za rasulo Iraka.
Тачно тако. Не били јест' што се не једе. Сад да благоизволе да почисте смеће иза себе, ако су завршили са играњем (у пијеску).
Quoteljude koji isporucuju lekove i knjige za skole po selima
Auh kako su samo Ameri brizni za ta Avganistanska sela :evil:.Toliko jedan human narod xfuck5 ide da SPASHAVA Irachane i Avganistance od njih samih...pa ne mogu da gledaju to nego da pomognu...ma idi bre Zagore.
Lepo je shto si bio protiv rata u Iraku...makar i iz strateshkih razloga :evil:
ZAHVALJUJUCI invaziji i okupaciji i Iraku skoro sam chula na TV kako je zvanichna cifra blizu miliona...ne mogu da nadjem izvor sad.
QuoteИрак је био фина једна секуларна тиранија гдје је ркање пролазника било на нивоу "бијелог шума" и општеприхваћених узуса у том дијелу свијета.
Bash tako...a Zagor i njegovi krenuli da ih spashavaju.
Ja sam mislila da je to vec opshte usvojeno i da vec i male bebe znaju zashto se ishlo u Iraq.
Evo sad kad progovorishe ovi Engleski generali i ostali sluzbenici koji su ishli da "stabilizuju" Iraq kazu neki od njih da je priprema za rat bila katastrofalna. Jedan reche da je jedinu vezu koju je mogao da uhvati sa Londonom ( nakon invazije) imao tako shto je otvorio account na Yahoo...
Quote from: Monte on December 11, 2009, 05:53:13 PM
Тачно тако. Не били јест' што се не једе. Сад да благоизволе да почисте смеће иза себе, ако су завршили са играњем (у пијеску).
Koji konkretno napredak/dostignuce bi po tvom misljenu bilo dovoljno za odlazak iz Iraka?
Povratka na stari, cjeloviti, Irak nema. Kurdi su de-fakto samostalni, Shiti iskoristili guzvu da vrate Sunima milo za drago, fragmentacija je pri kraju.
Jebes ga, ako oni izmedju sebe nece da se dogovore, sto Amerika da im bude sudija?
One pobijene niko ne moze da povrati, a potpunu rekonstrukciju onemogucavaju lokalne frakcije. I sta sad, da SAD sjede tamo i vuku dalekovode koji ovi sa uzivanjem da miniraju do vijeka?
Quote from: vbo man on December 12, 2009, 04:08:14 AM
Ja sam mislila da je to vec opshte usvojeno i da vec i male bebe znaju zashto se ishlo u Iraq.
Ajde pojasni, ne bilo ti zapovijedjeno.
QuoteEvo sad kad progovorishe ovi Engleski generali i ostali sluzbenici koji su ishli da "stabilizuju" Iraq kazu neki od njih da je priprema za rat bila katastrofalna. Jedan reche da je jedinu vezu koju je mogao da uhvati sa Londonom ( nakon invazije) imao tako shto je otvorio account na Yahoo...
I kakve to veze ima sa bilo cime? BTW, odakle mu internet ako nije imao vezu?
Quote
Jebes ga, ako oni izmedju sebe nece da se dogovore, sto Amerika da im bude sudija?
QuoteI sta sad, da SAD sjede tamo i vuku dalekovode koji ovi sa uzivanjem da miniraju do vijeka?
Ne znam ...nek si gledaju shta ce. Sami su sve zakuvali pa i nas ovde uvukli u ta govna.Ali koga briga od njih za Iraq.Sedece oni tamo josh podugo ( 106 novih baza se gradi...za Irachane? :mrgreen:). I sedece dokle god banda moze da se bogati a USA tax payeri pristaju da placaju. Od Irachke nafte slabo se za sad ovajdishe ( mada vidim skupljaju se ovih dana tamo da podele plen...samo machka je josh u dzaku :mrgreen:).
NE hocesh da kazesh da Ameri mogu da zaseravaju ( pesak) gde god hoce a da onda neko drugi chisti? I tako doveka?
QuoteI kakve to veze ima sa bilo cime? BTW, odakle mu internet ako nije imao vezu?
Pitaj njega. tako je rekao...valjda skoknuo kod nekog Irachana kuci xrofl
Ne nemam nameru da objashnjavam zashto se ishlo u rat u Iraku...to sad zna svako ko hoce da zna. Da se skida diktator ( koji im je toliko dugo pasao) i da se uvodi demokratija i spashava Irachki narod kako tvrdi Zagor? Jel i ti to mislish?
Quote from: vbo man on December 12, 2009, 04:19:08 AM
Ne znam ...nek si gledaju shta ce. Sami su sve zakuvali pa i nas ovde uvukli u ta govna.Ali koga briga od njih za Iraq.Sedece oni tamo josh podugo ( 106 novih baza se gradi...za Irachane? :mrgreen:). I sedece dokle god banda moze da se bogati a USA tax payeri pristaju da placaju. Od Irachke nafte slabo se za sad ovajdishe ( mada vidim skupljaju se ovih dana tamo da podele plen...samo machka je josh u dzaku :mrgreen:).
NE hocesh da kazesh da Ameri mogu da zaseravaju ( pesak) gde god hoce a da onda neko drugi chisti? I tako doveka?
Ameri su vec proglasili pobjedu i povlace se, ako nisi zamijetila. Ko je to tacno u Iraku krenuo da cisti to sto su Amerikanci zasrali?
EU? Rusija? Kina?
I uopste sta bi ti zeljela da vidis, a da je u domenu realnog? Ako ostanu, bunis se jer su okupatori. Ako odu, bunis se jer nisu "pocistili'?
Quote from: vbo man on December 12, 2009, 04:21:59 AM
Pitaj njega. tako je rekao...valjda skoknuo kod nekog Irachana kuci xrofl
Ponovo te pitam kako je prica nekog engleskog vojnika o Yahoo racunu relevantna za situaciju u Iraku?
QuoteDa se skida diktator ( koji im je toliko dugo pasao) i da se uvodi demokratija i spashava Irachki narod kako tvrdi Zagor? Jel i ti to mislish?
Pa nisam te ja pitao za moje misljenje( toliko blentav jos nisam), vec sam te pitao za tvoje, kad si vec rekla da su ti razlozi opstepoznati.
Evo recimo da sam bio u izolaciji zadnjih 6 godina i da nemam pojma o tome - sta bi mi rekla?
vbo i ekipi uopste nije zao tog sveta sto gine i pati. mnogo im je draze da imaju razlog da se nasladjuju i upiru prstom u ameriku, zlu imperiju. pa kolko da traje nek traje.
Onaj nije bio UK vojnik vec neki od "vaznih funkcionera" koji je bio zaduzen za neke vazne stvari nakon invazije.I chovek nije imao vezu.Kako , zashto i on se pita...Bio njegov iskaz ovde na TV ( koji ja shto rekao Alan redovito gledam iz bazena :mrgreen:).
Zashto se ishlo u Iraq po mom mishljenju? Pa pored toga shto je Bushovog tatu Sadam neshto zajebavao ( oteo se a to je jedan od vaznih razloga :twisted:) po mome a i mishljenju podosta raznog sveta po vaskolikoj kugli u pitanju je vishe stvari :
OIL ( eno se leshinari skupljaju u Bagdadu da se dogovore koliko kome od plena sad kad su " stabilizovali"), vojne baze kojima se ne zna vishe broja po Iraku , a ne treba zanemariti ni biznis ( milijarde dolara tax payera pretochene u Halibrton, Blek waters...a posredno znachi i u Coca Colu, Telekom, Mc Donalds i sve ono potrebno kao logistika...biznis koji je napravio military complex da i ne pominjem)...Istina ovo zadnje sve na troshak USA tax payera xdrinka. No trude se da naplate to , koliko mogu...
Naravno ja ovako nepismena i priglupa sasvim verovatno ne mogu da udjem u tajne imperije gde verovatno leze mnogo dublji razlozi...
Sad mi vi isprichajte ZASHTO vi mislite da se ishlo u Iraq.
Slusham pomno :mrgreen:
I dobro, kad ce invazija na SC?
I dobro kazi ti nama Tromotorac zashto je USA okupirala Iraq?
QuoteAmeri su vec proglasili pobjedu i povlace se, ako nisi zamijetila
Proglasili pobedu jesu xuss ( zar bi moglo drugachije da bude kad je USA u pitanju :mrgreen:).Proglasili su pobedu i u Vijetnamu xrofl .Ali da ce da idu negde odande ja ne vidim.
Objasni ti nama kome zidaju onih 106 baza trenutno u izgradnji u Iraq-u :?
QuoteIt would have been "right to remove" Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein even without evidence that he had weapons of mass destruction, Tony Blair has said.
The former prime minister said it was the "notion of him as a threat to the region" which had tilted him in favour of the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Without WMD claims it would have been necessary to "use and deploy different arguments," he told the BBC.
Mr Blair is expected to face the Iraq war inquiry early next year.
Why? Because USA said so! xremyb
QuoteShell-Petronas consortium win bid for large southern oil field at auction | France 24
AFP - Iraq reached agreement with energy giants Shell and Petronas Friday for a massive southern oil field, part of a two-day auction that seeks to dramatically boost the country's crude output.
The successful bid from the Anglo-Dutch and Malaysian consortium kicked off the bid round, which aims to catapult Iraq towards the top of the list of the world's oil producers and bring in much-needed revenues to rebuild the country.
"The price that the consortium offered is a little bit less than the price offered by the oil ministry," Shahristani said.
"It gets 100 points, so we can announce that Shell wins the bidding for Majnoon."
The two companies requested fees of 1.39 dollars per barrel of oil extracted from the field, and projected that they would produce 1.8 million barrels per day.
The project will be split 60 percent for Shell and 40 percent for Petronas.
Quote from: vbo man on December 12, 2009, 06:39:09 AM
I dobro kazi ti nama Tromotorac zashto je USA okupirala Iraq?
Sta me pitas, kad vec sve znas? Za drugarsku kritiku pred celom odeljenskom zajednicom? :lol:
:mrgreen:
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 10, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
Irak je stabilizovan u poredjenju sa periodom iza nas. B
Изгледа да је прошло
време душека... свака
породица је добила свој део
Contracts Awarded to Russian, Norwegian Firms on Last Day of Iraq Oil Auction
Russia's Lukoil and
Norway's Statoil won a joint contract to develop a major untapped oil field in southern Iraq, Saturday, on the second and final day of a two-day auction aimed at boosting Iraq's oil output. Representatives from dozens of foreign oil companies attended the auction, despite security risks.
The Iraqi government expressed satisfaction with the outcome of major two-day oil auction, Saturday after awarding the prized West Qurna Phase Two oil field to both Russia's Lukoil and Norway's Statoil.
The winning bid by the two companies proposed to give Iraq a fee of $1.15 per barrel of crude extracted from the field. The companies also pledged to reach an output of 1.8 million barrels per day.
Friday, Iraq awarded contracts to exploit the Majnoon oil field to
Royal Dutch Shell and
Malaysia's Petronas, while granting another major contract to China's CNPC.
Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani declared that the results of the auction were "a victory," adding that Iraq would not waste the money from the oil deals "on wars," as former president Saddam Hussein "used to [do]." The money, he emphasized, will "go to the Iraqi people."
Shahristani also told Iraqi politicians that were opposed to the deals that commercial accords, such as the oil deals, were under the control of the government and did not need the approval of parliament.
He says that the constitution is clear that international accords and treaties signed by Iraq and any foreign country must go through parliament for approval, but that commercial agreements don't need to be legally approved by parliament, according to the Iraqi constitution, no matter how large the contract, or how long the duration.
Sunni opposition parties have criticized Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for going ahead with the deals, complaining that he was "giving away Iraq's natural resources."
Former oil minister Issam al-Jalabi insisted that the government was not following proper procedures and needs to submit the deals to parliament for approval.
He says that the government cannot just pick and choose which oil laws it wishes to follow. He insists that a 1967 law stipulates that a bill must go through parliament for each and every accord. Otherwise, he says, the agreements will be considered null and void.
Louis Hobeika, professor of economics at Lebanon's Notre Dame University, said that he's not sure if the Iraqi government should have gone ahead with the deals, given the unsettled political situation in the country.
"We all know that the Iraqi government and Iraqi institutions are weak and any contracts given under these circumstances, especially long-term contracts, for me is doubtful, and therefore, all of these contracts, especially long term contracts, are bad for Iraq. It will not be in the Iraqi's interest, it will be in the foreign firm's interest," he explained.
The oil deals will increase Iraq's production, according to government estimates, by over 4.7 million barrels per day in the coming years. Iraq now produces 2.5 million barrels per day. Many analysts, however, question if Iraq will be able to attain such lofty production levels.
Dogovorila se braca :evil:.Rusi nisu nishta gadljiviji na pare od Amera...problem im je samo oko podele...uvek bio :twisted:. Eto kako oni lako nadju zajednichki jezik ...mafija amo mafija tamo :x
Zato su i postavili marionetsku vladu da prave ovakve protivzakonite kontrakte.No videcemo kako ce to da ide...jedno je sigurno te pare koje ta Irachka baraba obecava "Irachkom narodu" jadan narod nece ni da omirishe...
Na svetu se nakotilo toliko baraba onako i levo i desno i gde god upresh prstom da ih je nemoguce vishe sve pobiti i kad bi bilo izvodljivo :evil: . Tako da svet ima da propadne...al onako postupno :cry:
Hehe, ovo je stvarno zabavno za citanje... kao odjeke i reagovanja nekad u Politici.
Bash me raduje shto se zabavljash :lol:
Jesam opet rekla neshto glupo :idea: xrofl
Ma joook. Ako za bilo koji dogadjaj, uzrok ili rezultat dogadjaja u svetu, prirodi i sire, okrivis USA, nemozes zvucati glupo. Ta tautologija se uspesno dokazala u praksi evo 6-7 decenija, i zasto je menjali? Dodaj mrznju prema kapitalizmu, gadljivost na pare i sve one koje USA tera da se tako ponasaju, pa da imamo materijala za jos jednu kaficu, bog da nas vidi koliko smo pametni.
xyxy
A ova konkretna pricha nema nikakbe veze sa USA... 8-)
Bash kao i druge o kojima prichamo ovde :mrgreen:
Kad su vam tragovi na sve strane...pa niste dzabe zla imperija :?
No vi ste zla imperija samo danas ( ne sekiraj se sve su bile zle xfrog).Sutra ce neko drugi da bude zla imperija pa cete biti skinuti sa spiska za optuzbe.
A ja ne mrzim kapitalizam...nije bash ni da ga volim kao nekad dok sam ga gledala iz daleka :mrgreen:
No kako josh nije smishljeno nishta bolje ja sam skroz za kapitalizam...samo SHVEDSKI.
Ne za ovaj Casino kapitalizam gde se ekipa kocka svim nashim zivotima.
Pitacu te o Americhkom kapitalizmu ako budesh morao da stanesh u onaj red za nezaposlene...i red za hranu od raznih cheritija ...ne daj Boze.
U vezi kapitalizma - mislis, promenicu misljenje kad osetim na svojoj kozi? Ovo dosad je sve bilo med i mleko pa neznam sta je u sustini kapitalizam? Treba mi nekakvo otkrovenje koje se samo dobija u redu za nezaposlene? I sta se desava onda, postanemo socijalisti?
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A ova konkretna pricha nema nikakbe veze sa USA... Cool
Bash kao i druge o kojima prichamo ovde Mr. Green
Eto ti sad. Vecni ratovi a nemaju veze sa USA? A sa kim imaju? xrotaeye
Tja, anketa nije idealna kad nema odgovora "savršeno me boli dupe". :|
Quote from: vbo man on December 13, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
No kako josh nije smishljeno nishta bolje ja sam skroz za kapitalizam...samo SHVEDSKI.
Инвестиција у Аустралију, профит у Шведску.
Nemojte zaboraviti pomenuti i micenje crnaca. Ni pod razno.
Rodjen u AmerikU a srce u SrbijU.
Quote from: vbo man on December 12, 2009, 04:21:59 AM
QuoteI kakve to veze ima sa bilo cime? BTW, odakle mu internet ako nije imao vezu?
Pitaj njega. tako je rekao...valjda skoknuo kod nekog Irachana kuci xrofl
Ne nemam nameru da objashnjavam zashto se ishlo u rat u Iraku...to sad zna svako ko hoce da zna. Da se skida diktator ( koji im je toliko dugo pasao) i da se uvodi demokratija i spashava Irachki narod kako tvrdi Zagor? Jel i ti to mislish?
Ja to ne tvrdim. Ja ti kazem da je na irackom narodu bilo da resi sta ce da rade bila sta ce da rade sledeci dan po najurivanju Sadama iz Iraka. I oni su resili da provedu 3 godine praveci autobombe za komsije koje nisu stigli da izburgijaju.
Sto se tice dranja ljudi u Avganistanu - radi se o konkretnom slucaju gde su mom ortaku koji je dole proveo 3-4 godine odrali zive lokalno zaposlene Avganistance koji su po neki vukojbinama ispoorucivali humanitarnu pomoc italijanske vlade.
Sta ti mislis, leba ti? Da su Talibani i oni ludaci ubice po Iraku zbilja romanticni,
misunderstood borci protiv neoimperijlizma? :shock:
QuoteSta ti mislis, leba ti? Da su Talibani i oni ludaci ubice po Iraku zbilja romanticni, misunderstood borci protiv neoimperijlizma? Shocked
Naravno da ne mislim samo mislim da vi niste trebali ( a nije vam bila ni namera) da idete u tudju zemlju da reshavate njihove probleme.Bilo je i ima i drugih diktatora shirom planete pa je izabran Sadam da se skida ( da ne pominjem da su s njim lepo saradjivali dugi niz godina i odrzavali ga na vlasti dok su Irachani ( posebno Shiiti pokushavali da ga skinu i glavom placali to).
I ta Al kaida je USA made i onda kad im se takva bagra izvuche ispod ruku onda strada narod u Avganistanu.I Talibani su im valjali i pomagali su ih kad su se tukli protiv Rusa.Drali su Talibani i tada ( samo verovatno Ruse). Zagore ne pije to vodu.Bar za mene.Animoziteti i istorija borbe medju Irachkim "plemenima" je poznata bila pre ulaska u rat u Iraku i svako sa dva grama mozga mogao je da predvidi shta ce se desiti.Secash se da su neki generali dali i ostavke jer nisu hteli da uchestvuju u tom haosu.Sumnjam da su chak i Bush i Bler bili toliko glupi ( kao shto sad izgledaju) da nisu znali da ih tamo nece dochekati sa cvecem , usvojiti demokratiju preko noci i nastaviti da zive u miru dok im zapadne kompanije otimaju naftu.Ne radi se o rodoljublju jer da je tako oni bi se udruzili i zajedno se borili protiv okupatora ( USA).Radi se o (njihovim) interesima oko kojih se kolju medju sobom.Irak je ipak neshto drugo od Avganistana.To je bila sekularna drzava u prilichno dobrom stanju chak i pod diktatorom.Sad je haos.
U Avganistan nije trebalo chachkati,,,videli su kako su Rusi proshli...
Zakuvan je i Pakistan...nek vam je sa srecom xrotaeye ali ja ne vidim kako cete sve to da "stabilizujete" skoro :?:
Ja tebe ni u sta ne pokusavam da ubedim - ja nijedne reci nisam napisao o americkoj motivaciji za rat u Iraku. To pokusavas da procitas nesto sto je nemam nameru da napisem.
Quote from: zagor te nej on December 14, 2009, 01:00:16 PM
Sto se tice dranja ljudi u Avganistanu - radi se o konkretnom slucaju gde su mom ortaku koji je dole proveo 3-4 godine odrali zive lokalno zaposlene Avganistance koji su po neki vukojbinama ispoorucivali humanitarnu pomoc italijanske vlade.
Културолошки релативизам. Вероватно је у њиховом народу то уобичајено. Као ударање несташне деце по гузи код нас...
Причао ми друг, наше горе лист, служио у Авганистану. Седнеш у нешто што локалци називају рестораном. Поручиш им да ћеш их по повратку све побити ако икоме буде зло након оброка. Ручак никад бољи :)
QuoteIs General McChrystal a hippie? | The Economist
ANDREW EXUM of CNAS posts a copy of General Stanley McChrystal's new counterinsurgency guidance for Afghanistan, which Spencer Ackerman jokes "would make McChrystal look like a dirty hippie if he didn't have four stars on either shoulder." The guidance is probably the least violence-oriented military document you're ever likely to see. It represents the latest in a sea change in strategic thinking that is underway with the rise of COIN (counterinsurgency) proponents to the top levels in the American military. The change is welcome. There is certainly no way to win a counterinsurgency war like Afghanistan without such a shift. The question remains whether it can be won even with the shift, and whether the game is worth the candle.
QuoteAFP: Pakistan troops kill 16 militants as US general visits
Clashes across Pakistan's northwest have killed 16 Taliban militants and two soldiers, the army said Monday, as a top US general met with officials to discuss the battle against extremists.
US General David Petraeus is in Pakistan for talks on President Barack Obama's new strategy for the war in Afghanistan, which Washington says depends heavily on Pakistan dismantling militant sanctuaries along the border.
Obama's administration is pressuring Islamabad to do more to tackle Taliban and Al-Qaeda-linked militants in the northwest who cross over into Afghanistan, but the country is also battling a surging homegrown insurgency
Na svakih 16 koje pobiju rodi se 300 novih kandidata... :twisted:
Onda ubijes tih 300.
QuoteOnda ubijes tih 300.
To ce da potraje :mrgreen:
Hoce, ali nisam siguran da postoji alternativa.
QuoteChilcot censors Iraq inquiry's live broadcast | UK news | guardian.co.uk
Sir John Chilcot, chairman of the Iraq inquiry, cut the live video of today's hearings, raising fears that he is suppressing evidence on grounds of embarrassment rather that any damage to national security.
"I interrupted the broadcast because of a mention of sensitive information," he said after hearing evidence from Sir Jeremy Greenstock, Britain's UN ambassador before the invasion and special envoy in Baghdad afterwards.
The broadcast was stopped as Greenstock was speaking about how the US drew up plans on the basis of a "best-case scenario" in Iraq. Immediately before being cut off he said: "When I talked to other members of the American team, when I talked informally to the military, to the intelligence agencies, to other people who were operating, I found a very much more gloomy prognosis of what was going on than I felt or understood ambassador Bremer [Paul Bremer, the chief US civil administrator in Baghdad] was reporting back to the Pentagon."
Quote* [new] Re: World (none / 1)
Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - US: Afghan border threat growing
The top US military commander has said he is increasingly concerned about the threat posed by Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters sheltering on the Pakistani side of the Afghan border.
Speaking on a visit to Afghanistan on Monday, Admiral Mike Mullen said violence in Afghanistan was likely to get worse before it gets better, with fighters holding the upper hand across about a third of Afghan provinces.
"I remain deeply concerned by the growing level of collusion between the Afghan Taliban and al Qaeda and other extremist groups taking refuge across the border in Pakistan," Mullen, who is chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, told reporters in Kabul.
"Getting at this network, which is now more entrenched, will be a far more difficult task than it was just one year ago."
Quote from: Tromotorac on December 12, 2009, 05:43:58 AM
I dobro, kad ce invazija na SC?
www.serbiancafe.com? (http://www.serbiancafe.com?)
Quote from: Pareski do on December 18, 2009, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac on December 12, 2009, 05:43:58 AM
I dobro, kad ce invazija na SC?
www.serbiancafe.com? (http://www.serbiancafe.com?)
Glas Razuma ima odgovor na sve:
Тајна ће бити обзнањена за мање од 2 год.PlaninskiVetar 17. decembar 2009. u 19.05
Србија ће постати главни и практично једи снабдевач света за нешто. То нешто ће бити скупље од сувог злата.
Земље које су нанеле зло Србији у задњх двадесетак година, ће саме себе ударати песницама у браду, због грешки које су учиниле. Републике које су се издвојиле из бивше YУ и ратовале против Србије, ће молити на коленима да се варате. Србије их неће примити, па чак ни своју самовољно одвојену браћу. Све паре које имате, било које валуте, ће изгубити вредност према овоме. Не питајте, како знам и шта је у питању, јер вам ја то овде не могу рећ. Само да вас упозорим, да не буде, нисмо знали, нисмо веровали, да то мож бит. Сад знате!
Ovo je nesto najbolje sto sam skoro procitao.
Moram da se presvucem posle sesije smejanja. :D
Teslino oruzje ipak postoji?
Quote from: Pareski do on December 13, 2009, 11:39:03 AM
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Изгледа да је прошло време душека... свака породица је добила свој део
Contracts Awarded to Russian, Norwegian Firms on Last Day of Iraq Oil Auction
Russia's Lukoil and Norway's Statoil won a joint contract to develop a major untapped oil field in southern Iraq, Saturday, on the second and final day of a two-day auction aimed at boosting Iraq's oil output. Representatives from dozens of foreign oil companies attended the auction, despite security risks.
Kako zaraditi $800 miliona godisnje sa minimalnim ulaganjima? Posalji tenkovsku cetu da okupira komisijsko nalaziste nafte:
Quote
Iran Forces Occupy Iraqi Oil Well, Border Guard Says (Update3)
Share Business ExchangeTwitterFacebook| Email | Print | A A A By Maher Chmaytelli and Kadhim Ajrash
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Iranian forces yesterday entered Iraqi territory at dawn and occupied a well in the East Maysan oil field, Border Guard General Zafer Nazmi said.
The Iranian forces positioned tanks around well number 4, which is in the al-Fakah region, 450 kilometers (280 miles) south of Baghdad. The two neighbors have disputed the border of southeast Iraq for decades.
"They positioned tanks around it and dug trenches," Nazmi said by phone from Basra. "They are still there, they raised the flag."
East Maysan in southern Iraq is an old oil field that is no longer in production, according to Nazmi. Iraq is the third- largest oil producer in the Middle East after Saudi Arabia and Iran. Iranian politics have influenced crude markets at other times this year as the country's insistence on developing atomic power stokes concern in the U.S. and other nations that it may be trying to make nuclear weapons.
Crude oil for January delivery rose as much as $2.04, or 2.8 percent, to $74.69 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It traded at $73.41 a barrel at 5:05 p.m. London time.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=asA7YDOTXZDQ&pos=8 (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=asA7YDOTXZDQ&pos=8)
U ovom slucaju Irance opravdavam, Irak im je naneo silnu stetu u ratu pre 30--20 godina, i nije isplatio odstetu
Quote from: Pijanista on December 18, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
U ovom slucaju Irance opravdavam, Irak im je naneo silnu stetu u ratu pre 30--20 godina, i nije isplatio odstetu
Ma to nije vazno, vazno je da se odrzavaju tenzije u regionu, sto direktno utice na cijenu nafte. To je ono iz cega Iranci profitiraju, a ne od jedne busotine koju su kao zauzeli.
Pobijes 300 ??
"Pobijes to i teras dalje"
"Satres govna...ako treba (a trebace) SVE to satres"
"Il ce biti demokrate il ih nece biti !!"
Neverovatno sta sve oda po ovoj mucenoj zemlji...a ova se i dalje vrti...ne propada.
QuoteСрбија ће постати главни и практично једи снабдевач света за нешто. То нешто ће бити скупље од сувог злата.
Zvuči kao Paramecijum da je pisao.
Eto, sad makar znamo kako & zašto će Srbija postati super-huper sila do 2015.
Quote* [new] Re: World - 19 December (4.00 / 2)
France24 - Iraq claims Iranian soldiers occupied oilfield
Deputy Interior Minister Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji, reversing earlier denials, said the incursion was the latest in a series this week at the Fakka oilfield, 300 km (185 miles) southeast of Baghdad, in Maysan province.
"At 3:30 this afternoon, 11 Iranian (soldiers) infiltrated the Iran-Iraq border and took control of the oil well. They raised the Iranian flag, and they are still there until this
moment," he told Reuters.
There was no official word from Tehran on the incident. Oil prices rose after al-Arabiya television first reported an incursion.
Khafaji said Baghdad had taken no military action and stressed it would seek a measured, diplomatic response to the situation. "We are awaiting orders from our leader."
Obama :mrgreen:
Next thing you, a certain Serbian general appears at your kid's Bar Mitzvah...
Quote from: vbo man on December 19, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
Quote* [new] Re: World - 19 December (4.00 / 2)
France24 - Iraq claims Iranian soldiers occupied oilfield
Deputy Interior Minister Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji, reversing earlier denials, said the incursion was the latest in a series this week at the Fakka oilfield, 300 km (185 miles) southeast of Baghdad, in Maysan province.
"At 3:30 this afternoon, 11 Iranian (soldiers) infiltrated the Iran-Iraq border and took control of the oil well. They raised the Iranian flag, and they are still there until this
moment," he told Reuters.
There was no official word from Tehran on the incident. Oil prices rose after al-Arabiya television first reported an incursion.
Khafaji said Baghdad had taken no military action and stressed it would seek a measured, diplomatic response to the situation. "We are awaiting orders from our leader."
Obama :mrgreen:
Jaka agresija. Vazno da je nafta skocila 3% na tu "vijest".
"Khafaji"
:rofl:
"Fakka"
:rofl:
Quote11 Iranian (soldiers) infiltrated the Iran-Iraq border and took control of the oil well. They raised the Iranian flag, and they are still there until this
moment," he told Reuters.
11 Iranskih vojnika ponizava zlu imperiju bez posledica... xuss
Quote from: Peter Phillips and Mickey Huff
Among the most important corporate media censored news stories of the past decade, one must be that over one million people have died because of the United States military invasion and occupation of Iraq. This, of course, does not include the number of deaths from the first Gulf War nor the ensuing sanctions placed upon the country of Iraq that, combined, caused close to an additional one million Iraqi deaths. In the Iraq War, which began in March of 2003, over a million people have died violently primarily from US bombings and neighborhood patrols. These were deaths in excess of the normal civilian death rate under the prior government. Among US military leaders and policy elites, the issue of counting the dead was dismissed before the Iraqi invasion even began. In an interview with reporters in late March of 2002 US General Tommy Franks stated, "You know we don't do body counts." (US General Tommy Franks, quoted in The San Francisco Chronicle, March 23, 2002, online (http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020323-attack01.htm)
Oni su sebe na vreme izuzeli iz medjunarodnog suda za ratne zlochine...stoka ona repata.
USA is addicted to war. Josh nisu okonchali ni ova dva - tri shto ih gube a vec evo mashtaju i planiraju o novom.Plashili su nas Iranom ali su ipak odluchili da im je to malo opasno...I evo ga iskochio Jemen...Kazu Al kaida se preselila tamo...Svaka chast Al kaidi kako se ona to seli ...sad je vidish sad je ne vidish, sad je ovde sad je tamo...tako da USI nikad nece ponestati malih ratova...Ma cuti dobro je dok su mali xshot2 i samo nek su daleko od nas...posebno od Srbije koja je osetila kako se "uvodi demokratija" na USA nachin...
QuoteRe: World (4.00 / 2)
Raw Story: Senator Lieberman calls for `preemptive' attack on Yemen
Speaking on Fox News Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), who leads the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, has a vision of "tomorrow's war."
...
Senator Arlen Specter (D-PA), also appearing on the program, seemed to agree, calling an attack against Yemen "something we should consider."
"Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan -- the Army officer who killed 13 people in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood in November -- was linked to Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric now based in Yemen," The Hill noted.
File under 'yee-haw!'
Komsije Srbije su prvo osetile kao se uvodi Legija, sesirdzije, braca Lukici i "raspameti" na srpski nacin.Taj deo biva zaboravljas.
Uvek se na "uvodjenje demokratije na americki nacin" kad ih pripali hellfire od 500 funti u glavudzu najglasnije zali olos najogavniji. Zanimljiv fenomen. Milosevic, ove glavoseche sa bliskog istoka, generali iz Burme, i ostali svetionici odbrane protiv imperijalizma.
Nego, kad sednes u avion, a neki umobolni balija krene da se spaljuje ziv ne bi li te oborio sa svih 300 putnika u Indijski okean, ti mu samo reci da ga duboko podrzavas u borbi protiv Ujka Sema, i nema frke.
QuoteU.S. intelligence: 'Time is running out' in Afghanistan McClatchy
KABUL -- As the U.S. and its allies try to overcome logistical hurdles and rush some 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan in 2010, intelligence officials are warning that the Taliban-led insurgency is expanding and that "time is running out" for the U.S.-led coalition to prove that its strategy can succeed.
The Taliban have created a shadow "government-in-waiting," complete with Cabinet ministers, that could assume power if the U.S.-backed government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai fails, a senior International Security Assistance Force intelligence official said in Kabul, speaking only on the condition of anonymity as a matter of ISAF policy.
As the Obama administration and its European allies face dwindling public and political support for the eight-year-old Afghan war, the Taliban now have what the official called "a full-fledged insurgency" and shadow governors in 33 of Afghanistan's 34 provinces, including those in the north, where U.S. and other officials had thought the Islamic extremists posed less of a threat.
The Taliban's return to the northern provinces, including Baghlan, Kunduz and Taqhar -- which McClatchy reported Aug. 28 -- poses serious security, logistical and political problems for the U.S.-led ISAF and Karzai's government.
The northern region is under the command of German forces, but they and other European contingents operate under restrictions imposed by their governments that limit offensive operations against the Taliban.
Neshto mi govori da ce uskoro da proglase pobedu xrofl i da zbrishu iz Avganistana ...za Jemen...
Valja trchati za tom Al kaidom po vascelom svetu :?
Iz Avganistana ce da zbrishu al iz Iraq-a nece...
QuoteKomsije Srbije su prvo osetile kao se uvodi Legija, sesirdzije, braca Lukici i "raspameti" na srpski nacin.Taj deo biva zaboravljas.
Ne zaboravljam...ali to ni u chemu ne opravdava imperiju ( zlu razume se :mrgreen: )
Na uvodjenje demokratije na americhki nachin se najvishe zale porodice onih koji su pobijeni za tu "demokratiju" ( ako si bash navalio da to tako zovemo).
I eto ti to tako lako izvrnesh i napravish od mene nekakvog borca i zashtitnika islama :roll: shto ja nikako nisam.
Kako sam se borila protiv Milosevica a ne protiv Srbije ( mada su me tada za izdaju Srbije mnogi optuzivali) tako se sad "borim" (uslovno recheno) protiv americhke administracije ( na zalost i R i D) a ne protiv Amerike.
January 3, 2010
Can the West avoid Russia's fate in Afghanistan? (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6971683.ece)
After the Soviets left defeated, a war hero from the SAS and one from the Red Army say the same mistakes are being made
QuoteWhat lessons are there to be learnt from the Soviet war in Afghanistan? Just as the allies failed in 2001 to study the fateful Soviet invasion, the Russians before them dismissed Queen Victoria's foray into a country some have dubbed "the graveyard of empires". So when in early 1980 the Soviet deputy foreign minister pointed out to his boss, Andrei Gromyko, that three previous invasions by the British had failed, Gromyko asked sternly: "Are you comparing our internationalist forces to those of the British imperialists?"
"No, sir, of course not," answered his deputy. "But the mountains are the same."
=======================
Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan: (http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ai6pn/unlearned_lessons_of_the_soviet_invasion_the_us/)
1979-1989: 10 years
Peak Strength: 118,000 (1985)
Total Dead: 13,310
Burn Rate: 1,331 per year
Civilian Deaths (worst case, no reliable citation): 2,000,000
US Occupation of Afghanistan:
2001-2009: 8 years (and counting)
Peak Strength (US Only): 105,800 (34,800 ISAF + 71,000 non-ISAF)
Total Dead (US Only): 937
Burn Rate: 118 per year
Civilian Deaths (Direct and Indirect, coalition and insurgent caused, worst case): 32,057
Napomena: ovi brojevi su (vec) bajati...
Руси су били ефикаснији, то се види из авиона... ма шта из авиона, из Србије.
Quote from: slawen on January 09, 2010, 07:59:59 AM
Руси су били ефикаснији, то се види из авиона... ма шта из авиона, из Србије.
Rusi su u prednosti u svakom slucaju. Kod njih ne pise ono "
and counting"... :evil:
QuoteYemeni Leader Willing to Talk to Qaeda Fighters - NYTimes.com
SANA, Yemen -- Yemen's government is "determined to stand up to the challenges" of Al Qaeda, but will be willing to talk to any Al Qaeda follower who "renounces violence and terrorism," said the country's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, in an interview broadcast late Saturday night.
Mr. Saleh is under great pressure from the United States to act to crush Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which has found refuge in lawless parts of Yemen and which took responsibility for the effort to bomb an American airliner headed for Detroit on Christmas Day.
In the interview with Abu Dhabi TV, Mr. Saleh, 67, vowed that his security services would hunt down those Qaeda members who refused to renounce violence. But "dialogue is the best way," he insisted, "even with Al Qaeda, if they set aside their weapons and return to reason." He said that Yemen is "ready to reach understanding with anyone who renounces violence and terrorism."
While apparently anodyne, Mr. Saleh's comments were viewed with some skepticism by Western diplomats here. He has run Yemen for more than 30 years, and he has remained in power by balancing tribal, religious and political powers and often buying their loyalty -- and that includes radical Islamic leaders as well as Al Qaeda.
The United States has complained that Yemen struck deals in the past with Al Qaeda followers and released them from prison for promises of peace, while some have returned to terrorism or later traveled to Iraq to fight against American forces. A large group in jail for involvement in Al Qaeda's attack on the American Navy destroyer Cole in 2000 escaped from a high security prison in February 2006, reportedly with help from the security services. Now, two of them who evaded later government raids against the group have become key figures of Al Qaeda now, including its leader here, Nasser al-Wuhayshi.
Al zavrcu jaja Ameri xmgw
Quote from: vbo man on January 11, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Al zavrcu jaja Ameri xmgw
A ovi ih jure k'o i nashi druga Ratka...
QuoteA ovi ih jure k'o i nashi druga Ratka...
Odprilike xrofl
Ma shto i da ih jure i ginu kad ce na kraju ti isti Ameri da "pregovaraju" i da ih ustoliche...samo da se dogovore za cenu xremyb
QuoteBBC News - Dutch inquiry says Iraq war had no mandate
An inquiry into the Netherlands' support for the invasion of Iraq says it was not justified by UN resolutions.
The Dutch Committee of Inquiry on Iraq said UN Security Council resolutions did not "constitute a mandate for... intervention in 2003".
The inquiry was launched after foreign ministry memos were leaked that cast doubt on the legal basis for the war.
The Netherlands gave political support to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but had no military role.
The report demolishes the Dutch case for supporting the invasion, says the BBC's Europe correspondent Jonny Dymond.
Sad su se setili :evil:
Mozda ce se setiti ni da nisu smeli da bombarduju Srbiju...jednog dana...
Quote from: vbo man on January 13, 2010, 03:28:07 AM
QuoteBBC News - Dutch inquiry says Iraq war had no mandate
An inquiry into the Netherlands' support for the invasion of Iraq says it was not justified by UN resolutions.
The Dutch Committee of Inquiry on Iraq said UN Security Council resolutions did not "constitute a mandate for... intervention in 2003".
The inquiry was launched after foreign ministry memos were leaked that cast doubt on the legal basis for the war.
The Netherlands gave political support to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but had no military role.
The report demolishes the Dutch case for supporting the invasion, says the BBC's Europe correspondent Jonny Dymond.
Sad su se setili :evil:
Mozda ce se setiti ni da nisu smeli da bombarduju Srbiju...jednog dana...
Meni je uvek simpa kad neko ovako ima j@ja da se pose@e po svom glasackom telu a jos mi je simpije kad vidim da glasacko telo takve stvari docekuje otvorenih usta...
Yeah, right. Dig in there, it's going to be one helluva long wait. Amazing...
Ova vest je sa BBC-a.
Tako da je "legitimna" xrofl
Pa ko cheka docheka...kaze nash (pametni)narod :!:
'Тео сам да поставим овде једно истраживање јавног мњења на тему "Читате ли ове шлајфне које овде лепи ВБО?"
Можда би то надлежни знали да ураде без отварања новог топика, ипак тема није толико значајна, чисто ме занима да ли сам једини који то њојзино плаво прештампавање само прескочи?
Nadlezeni bi mogli njojzi i blog da otvore - ima tu materijala.
Pa Slawen ove vesti su na engleskom, mene mrzi da prevodim, sazimam ...a nisu bez znachaja.Ne mogu da ih nadjem u Politici ili Vechernjim novinama vec ih nalazim na BBC-u, Daily Telegrafu itd.
Koga zanima politika ( a ovde na ovoj temi se radi o USA ratovima u ovom momentu) i uz to zna engleski ako hoce neka chita ako ne nek preskochi...
Изем ти технологију!
Користим овде Firefox са додатком аутопејџер алата да не бих мануелно окретао стране, већ то аутомацки на крај једне надовеже почетак следеће стране. Једина је мана што понекад 'оће да на крај рецимо треће стране накачи почетак прве стране.
И тако на овом топику читам ја оно што ми написала ВБО да учим свецки језик енглески (ај вона фак ју ин'ди ес*) и обавештавам се из свецке штампе да бих био свецки човек као и она, а овај софтвер ми одма' испод накачио оно гласовање са прве стране, не знам већ о чему беше...
Па се мислим, јеботе, ал' су овде сусретљиви, чим прије ми услишили молбу...
*О овој реклами сам писао своједобно у мојој старој кафани, па сам и у егзил понео:
Има једна реклама где класична просторепродукована нуклеарна породица (ћале децентни господин на измаку средњег доба, кева добро држећа, деца различитог пола и-ха-ха тинејџери) седа у ауто, пушта музику, а онда у савршеном блаженству невероватно срећни сви климају главама у ритму песмице "...I wanna fuck you in the ass....". И то траје непријатно дуго.
Порука је Научите енлески! (у тој и тој школи језика).
А може да буде и Зајебите снове.
Дођи себе, Србине!
Колико је остало од тих који су веровали да нас тамо негде, у Европи, чека рај на земљи, а испоставило се да они само хоће да нас јебу у дупе?
И тако даље; све то, а и много више, имате овде (http://unija.serbianforum.info/sex-droga-frizeraj-f1/mind-game-revival-restoration-to-life-t2-30.htm).
Quote from: slawen on January 13, 2010, 08:53:58 AM
'Тео сам да поставим овде једно истраживање јавног мњења на тему "Читате ли ове шлајфне које овде лепи ВБО?"
missim, khm, khm, ... prst mi se ukocio od skrolovanja. pola stranice dok ne dodjem do neceg vrednog citanja.
Quotemissim, khm, khm, ... prst mi se ukocio od skrolovanja. pola stranice dok ne dodjem do neceg vrednog citanja.
Da najvrednije je ovde kolko vidim chitati ko kolike sise ima i koliki je kome...
Za bolje i niste xuss
Sise, gde kolike, cije????
Quote from: Pijanista on January 14, 2010, 05:09:56 PM
Sise, gde kolike, cije????
Je@ote, nisam ni znao svih ovih godina da si toliki kicosh...
STRATFOR
QuoteTaliban Assault on Kabul
January 18, 2010
A major Taliban attack began on Kabul xfohtJan. 18. The fighting is being reported by both American and Taliban sources. According to one American source, reports of an imminent attack began circulating Jan. 17. Heavy fighting is being reported at multiple locations, apparently focused around the Serena Hotel. The hotel, which is frequented by foreign journalists and government officials, has been attacked in the past. According to the Taliban, 20 suicide bombers are taking part in the attack. They claim the Presidential Palace, Ministries of Justice, Finance, Mines and Industry are among the targets. There reports of casualties, but numbers and locations are unclear.
The attack is still in progress, with Taliban forces reportedly fighting Afghan security forces. Explosions, gunfire and rocket fire have been reported along with the suicide bombers. It is unclear as to whether this assault will prove larger than attacks carried out last February.
Early reports in a situation like this tend to be inaccurate, and it will be a while before we get a clear sense of what has happened. However, it is clear that this is a major assault.
QuoteThe Alliance of Self-Deception: Success Can Only Come in Afghanistan If We Talk to the Radicals - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
The West wants to defeat the Taliban by paying off moderate fighters. What nonsense. Afghanistan's history shows that without giving the radicals a place at the table any effort at reconciliation is doomed to failure. Calls for an exit program underscore the helplessness of the NATO alliance.
Dakle Ameri pare na sunce i to ne za one moderate Talibane nego za radikalne...a oni koshtaju uhhhhh...mnogo vishe.
Ko poziva na exit program? Koliko se vidi USA poziva...Bespomocnost NATO-a ? Bash me chudi. Ne mogu da se izbore sa Talibanima a shta bi da imaju kakvog ozbiljnijeg neprijatelja xfoht . Pogotovu nekog koji i sam ima dugme...Izgleda se rat vishe ne isplati...osim pojedincima. A zbog pojedinaca se uvek i vodio.
QuoteNew Strategy?: German Military and Police Blast Merkel's Afghanistan Plan - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has emphasized the need for a new "strategic direction" in Afghanistan. But many German officials question Berlin's plan to slightly boost the number of troops and police trainers in the war-torn country. "We are training fighters for the Taliban," said one police spokesman.
Nemci )oni sa terena u Avganistanu) nebi vishe da treniraju borce za Taliban...al Angelu pritislo da shalje josh vojske i policije da ih trenira.
QuoteU.S. defense fails missile test mimicking Iran strike | Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A maiden U.S. attempt to shoot down a ballistic missile mimicking an attack from Iran failed after a malfunction in a radar built by Raytheon Co, the Defense Department said.
Barack Obama
The Missile Defense Agency said both the target missile, fired from Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands, and the interceptor, from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, had performed normally after launch on Sunday.
"However, the Sea-Based X-band radar did not perform as expected," the agency said on its web site. Officials will investigate the cause of the failure to intercept, it said.
The SBX radar is a major component of the ground-based midcourse defense, the sole U.S. bulwark against long-range missiles that could be tipped with chemical, biological or nuclear warheads
Kad nema vishe Rusa valja ih izmisliti... xuzi
QuoteThe Pakistani newspaper, The News alleges that:
"Afghanistan-based US predators carried out a record number of 12 deadly missile strikes in the tribal areas of Pakistan in January 2010, of which 10 went wrong and failed to hit their targets, killing 123 innocent Pakistanis. The remaining two successful drone strikes killed three al-Qaeda leaders, wanted by the Americans.
O je*em ih u tehniku :x . I onda Hate prizeljkuje da pritisnu dugmence na Moskvu xrofl ...Pogodice NY je*ote xuss
Nishta im ne ide ovih dana :cry:
QuoteWIRED (Danger Room): Gates Sacks Stealth Jet Chief, Blasts `Troubling Record' of Crucial Plane
If the Pentagon doesn't get its Joint Strike Fighter just right, the U.S. military is screwed. Which is why its a such serious, serious problem this stealthy, all-purpose jet has had such a "troubling performance record," according to Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Things have gone so wrong that Gates just announced he's sacking the head of the star-crossed, nearly $350 billion program and is withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in performance fees to JSF-maker Lockheed Martin. "When things go wrong, people will be held accountable," Gates told reporters.
The Air Force, the Marines, and the Navy are all counting on the stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to serve as its aircraft of the future, replacing everything from the A-10 to the F-16 to the F/A-18. It's meant to knock out the most advanced missile sites, spot the most elusive terrorists, and win dogfights with the most sophisticated jets from Russia or China -- all at a fraction of the price of the much-ballyhooed F-22 Raptor. Gates calls it the "backbone" of "American air superiority." Without the promise of the JSF, Gates would've never convinced Congress to stop production of the Raptor, the Air Force's most advanced dogfighter. By the time the program ends, there are supposed to be more than 2,400 of the planes in the American inventory, flying off of aircraft carriers, taking off from a conventional runway, or zipping straight up into the sky.
QuoteAnd those are the aircraft that are meant to fly from the decks of the UK's new aircraft carriers. Without these they are just expensive floating tennis courts.
(http://media.economist.com/images/20100130/0510Kal.jpg)
xrofl
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7187010/US-soldier-gives-four-year-old-daughter-waterboarding-over-alphabet.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7187010/US-soldier-gives-four-year-old-daughter-waterboarding-over-alphabet.html)
Koje moronchine xfoht
Tek ce biti veselje kad se stotine hiljada ovakvih bolesnika vrate u USU...Good luck.
Ah this is the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. How appropriate!
Quote* [new] Re: Europe (none / 1)
'Pacification' of Europe is threat to security, US tells Nato | World news | guardian.co.uk
Obama administration accused Europe's leaders of endangering peace because of reluctance to foot bill for adequate defence
The Obama administration accused Europe's leaders of endangering peace today because of their growing pacifism and reluctance to foot the bill for adequate defence.
In a withering attack on what Washington sees as European complacency in the face of new security threats, Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, demanded root-and-branch reform of the transatlantic alliance, voiced exasperation with Nato bureaucracy and said it was becoming increasingly difficult for the US and Europe "to operate and fight together".
Gates told a Washington meeting of Nato officials and security experts "the pacification of Europe" had gone too far.
Polako pacovi napushtaju brod koji tone...Nece da shalju vojnike, nece da kupuju Americhko oruzje...
QuoteBBC News - Newsnight - Newsnight poll suggests Afghanistan war 'unwinnable'
Sixty-four per cent of British people think the war in Afghanistan is unwinnable, a BBC poll suggests.
More than two thirds (69%) also think that the government has not done all it can to support British forces fighting in the conflict.
Only 27% agree that the government has given sufficient support to UK forces.
The poll was conducted for the BBC's Newsnight programme and included a random sample of 1,004 people in England, Scotland and Wales.
The data was collected between 19-21 February 2010, while more than 1,000 British troops were taking part in Operation Moshtarak as part of a 15,000-strong Nato and Afghan offensive against the Taliban in Afghanistan's Helmand province.
Sve je manje onih koji veruju u Americhke ratove...posebno od kako je sve manje para...
xrofl
QuoteFrance24 - Town of Marjah declares 'historic' victory against Taliban
AFP - The Afghan flag was raised over a town at the centre of a US-led offensive to capture a key Taliban stronghold on Thursday with the US Marines commander declaring it a "historic day".
Mohammad Gulab Mangal, governor of Helmand province, raised the green, red and black flag in Marjah, watched by Brigadier General Larry Nicholson, the commander of the US Marines in southern Afghanistan, an AFP photographer said.
"It's a very historical day, a new beginning," Nicholson told AFP at the ceremony, attended by a crowd of several hundred residents, watched over by US Marine snipers stationed on the roofs of surrounding buildings.
Around 15,000 US, Afghan and NATO forces launched Operation Mushtarak ("Together") on February 13 in what has been billed the biggest military operation since the 2001 US-led invasion brought down the Taliban regime.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20100223/capt.photo_1266924132406-1-0.jpg?x=400&y=265&q=85&sig=CKUiVXE_TYg8gBM80J_Tbw--)
QuoteHamid Karzai takes control of Afghanistan election watchdog
(The Guardian) - The Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, has unilaterally taken control of the country's top electoral watchdog, provoking outrage from western diplomats, the Guardian has learnt.
The Electoral Complaints Commission (ECC), which forced Karzai into a runoff election after it disqualified nearly 1m fraudulent votes in last year's presidential election, previously included three foreign experts named by the UN.
However, according to a new presidential decree published today, Karzai will have the exclusive power to appoint all five panel members. His decision to "Afghanise" the ECC came while parliament was in recess.
It provoked a shocked reaction from western diplomats, who fear parliamentary elections - due to take place in six months - will be fatally undermined by a repeat of last year's electoral fraud.
A western diplomat said Karzai had given "two fingers" to the western donors who had pumped millions of dollars into establishing democratic elections in the country. xrofl
He said the Afghan president was using his power to make laws while parliament was not sitting in order to get rid of the three UN-appointed foreigners who had dominated the five-member ECC.
The commission's Canadian chairman Grant Kippen and his two non-Afghan colleagues were instrumental in demanding an investigation into widespread fraud during the election last summer.
QuoteWhat is it good for?
(The Guardian) - The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 led to a war that brought much suffering to Afghans and no benefit to Russians.
In 1978, a curious cabal of idealist poets, would-be intellectuals, officers and KGB spies launched a coup, bringing down President Mohammed Daoud Khan's reign in the course of an afternoon. Victory was easily won but the communists had trouble winning the peace. Their violence was not only directed against the mujahideen, but also against rival leftist groups, the pro-Chinese Maoists, and members of the ethnically Tajik communist party, the Parchamis. The violence culminated in the murder of KGB-agent-turned-leader-of-the-Afghan-communist-party-turned president, Nur Muhammad Taraki, in September 1979.
Taraki had forged a personal relationship with Brezhnev (such intimate couplings include Mullah Omar and Bin Laden, Bush and Karzai). According to some Russian historians, Taraki's murder at the hands of his fellow communist party member Hafizullah Amin deeply upset Brezhnev and, feeling personally affected, he decided to invade Afghanistan to avenge Taraki's murder. The result was a 10-year war of little benefit to the Russians and much suffering to the Afghans.
During Soviet Era 100,000+ fatalities and over 1 million disabled and maimed Afghans
QuoteThe light at the end of the tunnel is the train.
Imperija polako gubi tlo...
QuoteBerlin Takes On Washington: German Foreign Minister Pushes for NATO Nuclear Drawdown - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle has been vocal in his demands that the US remove its nuclear weapons from German soil. Now he is calling for NATO to discuss the issue at an upcoming meeting, despite outspoken American opposition to his proposal.
German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle looks set to spark new tension in trans-Atlantic relations with the latest move in his ongoing campaign to get the US to withdraw nuclear weapons currently stationed in Germany.
Westerwelle and his counterparts from the Benelux countries and Norway have drafted a letter to NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen in which they call for the alliance to discuss how it can get closer to its goal of a world without nuclear weapons at an upcoming NATO conference. The letter, which has been obtained by SPIEGEL, is due to be sent in the next few days.
Quote» German company Ecolog accused of drug smuggling in Afghanistan
A German waste management firm employed by the NATO mission in Afghanistan has been accused of involvement in drug smuggling. Allegations against Ecolog and the Macedonian family behind it date back to the war in Kosovo.
Allegations have surfaced that a German-based company contracted by NATO's ISAF troops in Afghanistan may have been involved in smuggling drugs out of the country.
"There is a chance that drugs or other such things have been smuggled," NATO General Egon Ramms, chief at ISAF headquarters in the Netherlands told German public broadcaster NDR.
The German general confirmed that an investigation was underway into allegations that Dusseldorf-based Ecolog used contracts with NATO or ISAF for illegal activities. The firm had been working for NATO in Afghanistan since 2003, Ramms said.
E evo ovo rade zapadna glasila...sad je to "Makedonska porodica" a nisu Albanci iz Makedonije...chim je neshto shto ne valja...Vec sam prichala o tome kako radi ova propaganda.Ako je neshto pozitivno e onda su to Albanci iz Makedonije, Srbije...
QuoteBritain to Hamid Karzai: you must talk to Taliban now | World news | The Guardian
Britain will tomorrow urge the Afghan government to put more effort into the pursuit of peace talks amid fears that the war could be prolonged - and more British lives lost - as a result of incompetence and lack of political will in Kabul.
A speech to be delivered in the US by the foreign secretary, David Miliband, will reflect growing anxiety in London that President Hamid Karzai's professed desire for a political solution has not been backed up by any serious planning or concrete proposals.
Unless more pressure is put on the Afghan government, some British officials predict that Karzai's proposed loya jirga, or grand peace council, due at the end of next month, will be little more than a PR stunt. "My argument today is that now is the time for the Afghans to pursue a political settlement with as much vigour and energy as we are pursuing the military and civilian effort," Miliband will say at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, according to a text of the address seen by the Guardian.
:x xrofl
QuoteDoD stimulates Afghanistani industries, possibly
First he banned booze in his Kabul headquarters. Now the notoriously austere commander of US and Nato forces has a new target in his war on terror: ice cream and fast food.
General Stanley McChrystal, the former commander of Special Forces in Iraq, who runs eight miles a day, eats one meal and sleeps for only four hours a night, has given orders to close the junk food concessions on Nato bases.
No longer will the fighter pilots at Bagram or Kandahar airfields be able to ring Pizza Hut to deliver. Once General McChrystal has his way, the Whoppers will be off the menu: Burger Kings at both locations are to close. Even the newly opened TGI Friday's on the boardwalk in Kandahar is to close its doors once its contract expires.
"This is a war zone, not an amusement park," wrote Command Sergeant-Major Michael T. Hall in a military blog.
Quote* [new] Re: World (none / 0)
The US's Afghanistan "conundrum":
Opium is an illegal drug, but Afghanistan's poppy crop is still grounded in networks of social trust that tie people together at each step in the chain of production. Crop loans are necessary for planting, labor exchange for harvesting, stability for marketing, and security for shipment. So dominant and problematic is the opium economy in Afghanistan today that a question Washington has avoided for the past nine years must be asked: Can anyone pacify a full-blown narco-state?
The answer to this critical question lies in the history of the three Afghan wars in which Washington has been involved over the past 30 years -- the CIA covert warfare of the 1980s, the civil war of the 1990s (fueled at its start by $900 million in CIA funding), and since 2001, the U.S. invasion, occupation, and counterinsurgency campaigns. In each of these conflicts, Washington has tolerated drug trafficking by its Afghan allies as the price of military success -- a policy of benign neglect that has helped make Afghanistan today the world's number one narco-state.