http://www.volkskrant.nl/opmerkelijk/article1367417.ece/Gevangene_breekt_uit_voor_sigaretje (http://www.volkskrant.nl/opmerkelijk/article1367417.ece/Gevangene_breekt_uit_voor_sigaretje)
Citam neki baja bio u zatvoru osudjen na 3 godine (pustili bi ga verovatno posle 2), dogovorio se sa nekim napolje da mu baci kutiju cigareta preko zida. Ovaj se nije pojavio i on pobegne preko zatvorske ograde, ode do prodavnice, ukrade tamo 14 kutija cigareta i pokusa da se vrati u zatvor, opet preko ograde. Tu ga uhvate, ponovo ga posalju na sud i dodaju mu dodatnih 20 godina na postojecu kaznu.
Ako je to kazneni sistem koje jedno drustvo opravdava onda tu nesto debelo nije u redu sa tim drustvom, mozete da me ubedjujete kako hocete.
Evo necemo da te ubedjujemo. :mrgreen:
a da'l kaze mozda da je tip orobio tu radnju sa nekakvim vatrenim oruzjem? mitraljezom? mozda je nekome oteo auto da se dopelja do radnje i nazad pod pretnjom? ili usput jos nesto uradio?
ovako kako je napisano nema sanse da je cela prica.
Evo ti na engleskom prica: dakle, ne izgleda da je posle bezanja (sto u vecini normalnih zemalja nije krivicno delo) nekome pretio, nekog oteo ili ubio. Jedino krivicno delo koje je pocinio bilo je nenasilna kradja 14 kutija cigareta. 50$ vrednost?
Ako je bezanje iz zatvora i krivicno dela u Americi postoji velika olaksavajuca okolnost da on nije hteo da pobegne, vec se sam dobrovoljno tamo vratio.
Razumeo bih da su ga, za kaznu, poslali u zatvor sa vecom security. Cak ni godinu dana produzenja kazne ne bih razumeo. Ali 20... xuss
Je l' ne postoji neko ko nadgleda rad tih tzv sudija u Americi koji daju ovako drakonske kazne?
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1037869 (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1037869)
Authorities say an inmate who broke out of jail, then returned after stealing 14 packs of cigarettes, has been sentenced to 20 years.
Prosecutors told The Florida Times-Union inmate Harry Jackson, 26, escaped his cell at the Camden County Jail last year and went to the exercise yard to retrieve cigarettes he had expected would be tossed over a fence.
They say that when the contraband wasn't there, Jackson scaled the fence, broke a window at a convenience store and grabbed cigarette packs only to be arrested upon his return.
Jackson pleaded guilty to burglary and escape charges on Monday.
Prosecutors say he had been jailed on charges including driving with a suspended licence.
ako je to tako kako ovde pise, on ce se svakako zaliti i visi sud ce mu ponistiti ili promeniti presudu.
Inace to da se bezanje iz zatvora ne smatra krivicnim delom sam saznao kada se Milanovic koji je u Srbiji proglasen krivim za smrt onih radnika RTS-a nije vratio u zatvor (posto je pusten na vikend, ili je ostavljen na slobodi da saceka pocetak kazne). To nekako zvuci glupo, dakle ne optuzeni vec potvrdjeni kriminalac ma kako veliki ili mali, bezi iz zatvora ili dobija neko uslovno pa se ne vraca i to mu se ne uzima za lose?! Ja bi mu bez da trepnem udvostrucio kaznu pa neka razmislja drugi put. Koliko kosta ta potera, potraga za tim krimosima, da li ekipa koja radi na tome nema nista pametnije da radi, da li predstavljaju opasnost na drustvo?
o tome mozemo da diskutujemo. i meni je to cudno da to nije krivicno delo (kao sto u mnogim zemljama nije ni laganje na sudu ako lazes u svoju korist ili korist svojih bliskih - u Americi za to imaju 5. amandman pa ne moras da lazes, ali ni svedocis).
Mislim da je argument nesto kao da je u ljudskoj prirodi da zeli slobodu i bla bla bla, te da samo bezanje kao takvo nije krivicno delo.
U svakom slucaju to je nesto o cemo mozemo da raspravljamo. Ali 20 godina za tako nesto vec ne spada u nesto o cemu bi dva iole razumna coveka mogla da iznose protiv-argumente.
Mozda je u pitanju 3 strikes an out law?
Slazem se, nije to cela prica, ovo sto imamo je prikazano iz ugla sympathetic to the 'victim'.
Quote from: Tromotorac on April 09, 2010, 04:17:59 PM
Mozda je u pitanju 3 strikes an out law?
a u tom slucaju je 20 godina OK?
Ха...
Данас им'о ко зна које по реду суђење за неко исељење закупца који није хтео да плаћа кирију из локала.
Пребацило три године. Миссим, није да се жалим, од тог случаја сам успео да направим три парнице и два кривична предмета, али већ по мало постаје монотоно, па пошто судија одложила да дамо завршне речи (замисли то: завршна реч у парници, то ми се у каријери није десило; оно теоријски постоји, али се своди на мммрннмм, мммрннм, трошкове тражим и крај, пука формалност) ја се као мало постфестум, док сам потписивао записник као побуним што данас није завршила и као на дужину поступка, па кажем ето како у Америкама, тамо дође шериф, у'вати за уши и избаци на улицу, па ти још да сат времена да склониш ствари да те не ћоркира због ремећења ЈРМ, она ће како не воли англосаксонско право (!?) јер тамо прже људи са струју, ја јој одговорим да не би можда било лоше да се и ми малко електрифицирамо, јербо је у нашој правној традицији набијање на колац... ту ме она прекине није то наше, то је турско (чик неко да туркосрбину каже да је турчин), а ја онда завршим набијање на колац одсечених глава поражених непријатеља.
Е, то је већ витешки и часно.
Чисто један краћи осврт на то тамо, из овог тзв. угла, да не кажем ћошка.
Slawene, lepo se ti zabavljas u radno vreme :) Posle ste, cenim nastavili pricu u obliznjem baru?
Quote from: Ivan_D on April 09, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac on April 09, 2010, 04:17:59 PM
Mozda je u pitanju 3 strikes an out law?
a u tom slucaju je 20 godina OK?
Kako ocekujes da razgovaramo o necem o cemu nemamo dovoljno info? Da li je 20 godina OK za nekog ko je drpio karton cigareta? Hmm, mozda. Da li je 20 godina dovoljno za nekog ko je po ko zna koji put pljackao radnje, pobegao iz zatvora (da, to jeste crime, da nije ne bi ih jurili kad pobegnu), mozda ukrao jos nesto usput npr. automobil, jurili se niz autoput, bezao od policije koja mu rekla da stane, otirao se prilikom hapsenja, ujeo pandura za ruku, itd... i dobio 20 godina? malo je, trebalo je i vise. 8-)
Quote from: slawen on April 09, 2010, 04:34:58 PM
она ће како не воли англосаксонско право (!?) јер тамо прже људи са струју,
stvarno ti je to rekla? 'bem ti budalu glupu. a kakvo veze ima anglosaksonsko obicajno pravo sa strujom? pa to pravo je postojalo mnogo pre nego sto je bila pronadjena struja a kamoli elektricna stolica.
Strasno. Jos jedna od onih sto su
provalili Zapad. Stvarno neverovatno kakvih ljudi tamo ima. Ova jos i sudija.
Quote from: Tromotorac on April 09, 2010, 04:43:37 PM
Da li je 20 godina OK za nekog ko je drpio karton cigareta? Hmm, mozda.
OK, predpostavljam da znas da zakon poznaje i manje, blaze kazne. Ko mislis da je zasluzio kaznu od 10 godina zatvora? Neko ko je nekoga pljunuo?
Ko je, po tebi zasluzio petogodisnju kaznu zatvora? Neko ko te je opsovao i verbalno uvredio?
A jednogodisnju zatvorsku kaznu? Neko ko je pozvao lift pa pobegao?
Mislim stvarno nije mi jasno sta hoces da kazes.
I kako nemamo dovoljno info? Za tako bizarnu presudu ti ne treba vise informacija da bi vest bila vredna paznje. Covek je ukrao 14 kutija cigareta, nije nikakav drugi zlocin napravio tokom toga, cak nije ni imao nameru da pobegne iz zatvora i za to je dobio 20 godina.
Stvarno mi nije jasno zasto pokusavas da odbranis neodbranjivo.
Quote from: Ivan_D on April 10, 2010, 10:36:34 AM
I kako nemamo dovoljno info? Za tako bizarnu presudu ti ne treba vise informacija da bi vest bila vredna paznje. Covek je ukrao 14 kutija cigareta, nije nikakav drugi zlocin napravio tokom toga, cak nije ni imao nameru da pobegne iz zatvora i za to je dobio 20 godina.
Stvarno mi nije jasno zasto pokusavas da odbranis neodbranjivo.
Ivane nastavljas a zaista se ne znaju svi detalji. Postoji nesto sto se zove three strikes and you're out (kada ucinis 3. put nekakvo sitno sranje strpaju te na duze jer si dokazani krimos). Mozda nesto trece. A mozda je i sudija ludak (ima toga i ovde i tamo i na citavom svetu) u kom slucaju ako nema nista te se zaista samo radi o kradji iz radnje svaki sledeci sud ce ponistiti presudu.
Slicno je bilo u slucaju 'pravda za Urosa' - tip je dobio 11 godina za pokusaj ubistva pandura, visi sud ponistio kao prestrogo. Sada se valjda sudi ponovo. Moje pitanje je kako je 11 godina premnogo za barabu koja zapaljenu baklju nabija panduru u uniformi u usta (ocigledna namera da ga ubije ili nanese strasne telesne posledice)?
Ivane, nadam se da ne mislis ozbiljno da sam ja bio ozbiljan kad sam rekao da je 20 godina dovoljno za kradju cigareta. Come on... :lol:
uprosceno, Ivanovim recnikom, ja sam 95% siguran da to nije citava prica. Bets anyone :)
Quote from: Tromotorac on April 10, 2010, 02:12:24 PM
Ivane, nadam se da ne mislis ozbiljno da sam ja bio ozbiljan kad sam rekao da je 20 godina dovoljno za kradju cigareta. Come on... :lol:
Ne znam ja. Sumnjiv si mi mnogo od onog posta kako najbolje fotografisati kera. :mrgreen:
Quote from: alan ford on April 10, 2010, 02:20:17 PM
uprosceno, Ivanovim recnikom, ja sam 95% siguran da to nije citava prica. Bets anyone :)
Ok, ako si siguran 95% znaci da si spreman da se kladis 20 prema 1.
Ja cu da ti dam bolji deal, 10:1. Znaci ako se ispostavi da je to, za sada objavljeno, manj-vise cela prica das mi 100$. A ako se pokaze da ima vaznih materijalnih detalja i dokaza koji nisu pominjani u tekstu gore ja ti dam 10$
:!:
Haha! :!:
QuoteSlicno je bilo u slucaju 'pravda za Urosa' - tip je dobio 11 godina za pokusaj ubistva pandura, visi sud ponistio kao prestrogo. Sada se valjda sudi ponovo. Moje pitanje je kako je 11 godina premnogo za barabu koja zapaljenu baklju nabija panduru u uniformi u usta (ocigledna namera da ga ubije ili nanese strasne telesne posledice)?
Nije tamo bilo nista slicno sa ovim slucajem. U slucaju Urosa sud je doneo presudu u skladu sa ucinjenim delom. Covek je naneo teske povrede policajcu pokusavajuci da ga ubije. Mozda ne znas, ali Uroseva odbrana je bila skoncentrisana i bazirana na njegovoj tvrdnji 'da nije znao da je policajac u pitanju' dok mu je gurao baklju u glavu (poserem mu se na pravne savetnike kojih je imao i ima dosta).
Visi sud je vratio slucaj prvostepenom sudu pod pritiscima onih ciji su navijaci/batinasi oruzani ogranak, te im trebaju i moraju da se brini o njima. (ko ce naprimer da ide da bije homoseksualce ako SPC naredi da se zabrani miting istih?)
Posrana drzava Srbija!!!
Полицајац није био у униформи и уз то званично није био на дужности (послали га "онако").
Немојте погрешно да схватите ову упадицу, али ка'смо код чињеница & чимбеника.
1,000 masakriranih civila izvadjeno iz rake na strelistu/poligonu teroristicke postrojbe "SAJ" na 10km od centra tzv. Beograda i nikom nista. "Uros" mora da je mislio da je gurnuti nekakvo pirotehnicko sredstvo nekome u grlo not a biggie kad niko za 1,000 masakriranih civila usred Beograda nije odgovarao. I mean, WTF?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/first-grade-boy-suspended-for--sexual-harassment-171045972.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/first-grade-boy-suspended-for--sexual-harassment-171045972.html)
A 6-year-old was suspended from school in Canon City, Colo., after kissing a girl on her hand. School officials said the smooch was sexual harassment, KRDO reports.
Hunter Yelton reportedly had a crush on a female classmate. So he planted a smooch on her hand as a way to show his affection. A smooth move, no doubt. Unfortunately for Hunter, the school didn't agree. The kiss was seen as a kind of harassment. Hunter was sent to the principal's office and suspended.
Hunter's mom Jenny Saunders told KRDO that the subject of Hunter's affection was OK with the kiss. Other kids told the music teacher about the sneaky smooch.
Saunders told KRDO:
"That was the day I had the meeting with the principal, where she first said 'sexual harassment'. This is taking it to an extreme that doesn't need to be met with a six-year-old. Now my son is asking questions... what is sex, Mommy? That should not ever be said, sex. Not in a sentence with a six-year-old."
Both mother and son told KRDO that Hunter isn't exactly an easy kid to have in class. He's been suspended before for "roughhousing" and for kissing the same first-grader on her cheek.
KRDO reports that the school district is sticking to its stance. The superintended told the station that Hunter's kiss fits the district's definition of sexual harassment.
His mom isn't happy that her 6-year-old now has that mark on his record.
Mda. A sto vi mucite cigane?
Registered sex offender jebote.
Nije vazan poljubac, vazna je kontrola. Pobeda rastuce drzave, worldwide. Sovjetizacija planete.
point of view je zanimljiva stvar...
vaspitačica pov - nemiran, neposlušan, nevaspitan, pain in the ass...
mama pov - veseo, živahan, aktivan, zabavan...
Klinja 6 godina, going on 60. :mrgreen:
Ne mogu da zamislim sestogodisnjaka da devojcici poljubi ruku. xrotaeye
Nekako mi nije prirodno.
Just legislate everything. Then build bigger jails.
O tempura.... Ovo nisam znala.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Marijuana_Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Marijuana_Party)
:mrgreen:
Quote from: Hate mail on December 11, 2013, 05:20:10 PM
Nije vazan poljubac, vazna je kontrola. Pobeda rastuce drzave, worldwide. Sovjetizacija planete.
xjap
Nasa je starija. Prvo BC, pa amebe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Marijuana_Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Marijuana_Party)
:|
Speaking of das land der freien...
Rumunski cigani oktrili su NYC. Ima tome nekoliko godina. Ali u poslednjih godinu dana opsedaju sa prosnjom. Obicno imaju i decu pored sebe, rumunske ciganke u vozovima. Decu koja bi trebalo da su u skoli.
Strasno.
Ja kad sam ziveo u Madridu '99, grad bio prepravljen mladim muslimanskim devojkama (missim imale su muslimanski outfit, sta ja znam) sa bebama. Ali bukvalno devojvice koje su izgledale ne starije od 14-16 godina, prosile i uz to nosile malu bebu, ponekad dve.
Mislim da su bile Albanke najvise, mada sam pricao sa jednom u metrou koja je pricala bosanski.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/30/andrew-frey-meth-masturbating_n_4518225.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/30/andrew-frey-meth-masturbating_n_4518225.html)
arry G. (Barry_Englin)
49 Fans
couldn't they just wait till he was done??? Ah, the strong arm of the law!!!
So no happy endings?
Steven M. (Steven_Muir), SUPER USER·141 Fans·....ya feeln' me., 38 MINUTES AGO
makes you wonder if they were arresting or helping?
Derick M. (derickma), 244 Fans, 31 DEC 16:13
Eric A. (newplasticmachine)
Super User · 439 Fans · Meet in the middle, Democrats are already there.
So... he was beating off police at the same time?
рекламе које су забрањене у САД и Аустралији, само сензуална, нема порнографије...
http://www.b92.net/zivot/pop.php?yyyy=2014&mm=01&dd=04&nav_id=794495 (http://www.b92.net/zivot/pop.php?yyyy=2014&mm=01&dd=04&nav_id=794495)
Pamela Anderson - Dreamscape Networks Banned Advertisment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RmZ5HvkkWg#ws)
BBQs Best Pair: Memphis BBQ Burger (30 Sec) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jx_NcuZXac#ws)
Get NAKED : Four Seasons Condoms #GetNAKED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROJy9TlhxtY#ws)
GoDaddy - The Kiss (Extended Cut) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNeRAhA55Zw#ws)
Be Ok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhpK--XElhU#ws)
dumb phrases
http://rantchic.com/2013/12/02/21-dumb-phrases-that-way-hear-way-too-often/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=Outbrain&utm_term=Title4
:)
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/48/events/forty-ate (http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/48/events/forty-ate)
Yeah, yeah, to je neki sport. :)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57617567-71/vw-uses-algorithm-to-create-perfect-super-bowl-ad/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57617567-71/vw-uses-algorithm-to-create-perfect-super-bowl-ad/)
Celebrate diversity!
http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20140122-074159-9386 (http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20140122-074159-9386)
- Uh, no Mexicans (that's assuming the perps aren't American citizens) don't hate Asian folks.
Unless an Asian gets in the way of Rosa's iPhone photo or gets her takeout delivery mixed up at the Panda Express. Then the sentence is death.
u prvih 14 školskih dana u godini, bilo je najmanje 7 pucnjava po školama.
Poređenja radi, u toku cele 2013. godine bilo je 28 pucnjava po školama,
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2014&mm=01&dd=23&nav_category=78&nav_id=803713 (http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2014&mm=01&dd=23&nav_category=78&nav_id=803713)
Zivim u SAD! Ovde je katastrofa! Jos malo pa postajemo poput Novog Sada!
(Stefan---, 24. januar 2014 00:07)
:mrgreen:
hmm...ja ne vidim nista smesno u tome kada neko puca u dete
:|
http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/24/news/companies/dimon-pay/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/24/news/companies/dimon-pay/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
Free... God bless them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545570/We-wanted-hide-school-runaway-tells-father-It-WASNT-just-prank-The-boarding-school-sweethearts-planned-new-life-sun-stunned-families-discover.html?ICO=most_read_module (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545570/We-wanted-hide-school-runaway-tells-father-It-WASNT-just-prank-The-boarding-school-sweethearts-planned-new-life-sun-stunned-families-discover.html?ICO=most_read_module)
How The GDP Of US States Compare To Countries Around The World
http://www.businessinsider.com/map-of-of-us-states-gdp-and-other-countries-2014-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/map-of-of-us-states-gdp-and-other-countries-2014-2)
(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/52f0ce876bb3f7af28aad571-1200-/jtpdpid.png) (http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/52f0ce876bb3f7af28aad571-1200-/jtpdpid.png)
http://mapfight.appspot.com/rs-vs-us.ri/serbia-rhode-island-us-size-comparison (http://mapfight.appspot.com/rs-vs-us.ri/serbia-rhode-island-us-size-comparison)
Srbija sas Kosovo :|
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/31/opinion/moreno-atheists-unelectable-congress/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/31/opinion/moreno-atheists-unelectable-congress/index.html)
This fall, for the first time in U.S. history, an openly atheist candidate is running for Congress. James Woods is fighting an uphill battle as a Democrat seeking to represent the very Republican 5th Congressional District in Arizona.
There are now no openly atheist members of Congress, even though nearly 20% of Americans report having no religious affiliation, according to the Pew Research Center, and between 5% and 10% of Americans do not believe in a supreme being.
So far, only one sitting congressman, Pete Stark of California, has ever admitted to being an atheist while in office. First elected in 1972, Stark came out of the atheist closet back in 2007, but he lost his re-election bid in 2012 after serving in the U.S. House for 40 years.
Apparently, it is easier to be a gay member of Congress than an atheist one, since Barney Frank announced he was gay in 1987 but didn't announce he was an atheist until after leaving office in 2013. A handful of current members of Congress state that their religious affiliation is "unspecified," but none has stated publicly that he or she doesn't believe in God.
Their reticence is pure political pragmatism. The reluctance of Americans to vote for atheists is well documented. In fact, a hypothetical "well-qualified" atheist presidential candidate polls at 54%, lower than any other category -- below Muslims, gays/lesbians, Mormons, Jews, Hispanics, Catholics, women, or African-Americans.
This fundamental distrust is puzzling. When people of faith question the morality of those without faith, how do they reconcile that with the countless crimes committed in the name of religion throughout history (e.g. The Spanish Inquisition) and in modern times (e.g. ISIS)?
Not only are atheists unlikely to win elections, but they are actually banned from holding office under the constitutions of seven states (Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas), according to the American Humanist Association, even though this clearly violates Article VI of the U.S. Constitution, which states that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
When the views of anywhere from 5% to 20% of the American people are not part of the debate in our legislatures, the laws that are passed may not fully reflect the will of the people or, at a minimum, take into account the opinion of a sizable minority. African-Americans are about 13% of the U.S. population and have a representation of about 10% of the members of the U.S. House. Imagine how people would react today if there were no African-Americans in Congress.
That admitted atheists are virtually unelectable is a mark of prejudice against them and it impacts the ways we formally educate the future leaders of this country. Consider the fact that Tennessee recently passed a law allowing teachers to tell their students that evolution and climate change are "scientifically controversial," and that Ohio is considering passing a law that would enable the teaching of intelligent design alongside evolution.
Why is it that we require our candidates to profess a religious faith, but not that they demonstrate even minimal scientific literacy? Our representatives in Congress make critical decisions on science policy and science funding, and yet are often hostile to the entire scientific enterprise. In 2012, Rep. Paul Broun, R-Georgia, while serving on the House science committee, famously said that evolution and the Big Bang are "lies from the pit of hell."
As one prejudice after another has fallen by the wayside and we have elected women, African-Americans, gays and lesbians, and Jewish people to represent us, we have seen that the world has not come to an end. Life continues, and our debate is enriched by the diversity of opinions. It is time to end the prejudice that keeps qualified people without faith from considering a run for public office and keeps atheist officials from being honest about their beliefs.
Quoteeven though this clearly violates Article VI of the U.S. Constitution, which states that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Pa, nije ni Ustav Sveto pismo...
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http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-must-swear-god-leave-us-air-force-232153866.html (http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-must-swear-god-leave-us-air-force-232153866.html)