ZNAK SAGITE — više od fantastike — edicija, časopis, knjižara...

Da ne kačim na postojeći, pošto kapiram da će sada da se razgrana kada se pojavila druga knjiga, a i trajaće in the years to come, mislim da je ovo lepo mesto da se tešimo.

Mislim da je čika Martin stvarno sjajan tip, ali me baca u depresiju ovo "godine čekanja". A i raduje me ono što sam znao - da će Dunk i Egg da dobiju ceo serijal.

Dakle, evo transkripta chata od 25. januara na SCIFI-ju. Učesnici GRRM i REF.

http://www.scifi.com/transcripts/2004/asimovs.1.25.html

QuoteChatMod: Hi everybody, thanks for joining us. I'm Ben Trumble for SCIFI. Tonight we're pleased to welcome writers Raymond E. Feist and George R.R. Martin. Tonight's chat is co-produced by ANALOG and by ISAAC ASIMOV'S SCIENCE FICTION (www.asimovs.com) the leading pubishers of science fiction and fantasy in the magazine format. Our host is Asimov's editor Gardner Dozois.

ChatMod: Brief word about the drill. This is a moderated chat -- please send your questions for our guests to ChatMod, as private messages. (To send a private message, either double-click on ChatMod or type "/msg ChatMod" on the command line - only without the quotes.)...Then hit Enter (or Return on a Mac.)

Gardner: So, Ray, I know that George started out as a Sci-Fi Guy and then switched. Did you start out in fantasy?

REFeist: Well, I actually started off in film. I was the

REFeist: youngest apprentice film editor fired by Richard Zanuck.

REFeist: I got into writing late, but yes, fantasy first.

REFeist: ga

Gardner: George, I know how you got into writing fantasy, but tell the audience.

grrm: I wrote fantasy right from the start, along with SF. My first sale was to GALAXY, my second to FANTASTIC.

grrm: I read them both as well, as a kid. Heinlein, Tolkien, Howard, Lovecraft, read them all.

ChatMod: Let me jump in while I remember -- we will be giving away an autographed copy of Legends II to a randomly selected audience member later in the chat...

Gardner: How big an influence was Tolkien on both of you? As writers of fantasy series, I suppose the comparison is inevitable.

ChatMod: We've lost GRRM. Hopefully he'll be right back

REFeist: Then I'll take the first turn . .

Gardner: Perhaps we could get a wizard to conjure him up...

Gardner: GA, Ray.

REFeist: Tolkien was an influence, but not that big for me. I

grrm: hey, I got booted off, but I'm back

REFeist: was more influenced by the adventure gus, and by Fitz Lieber.

REFeist: GA

Gardner: The question was, how much influence did Tolkien have on you?

REFeist: Er, that's guys, not gus.

grrm: Huge influence on me.

Gardner: (If you get booted, try hitting the "Reload" bar on the top of your screen.)

grrm: ok

Gardner: Can you think of another fantasy writer, George, who had as big an effect on your work?

grrm: Well, before Tolkien, there was Robert E. Howard. I discovered Conan before Middle Earth.

Gardner: Me too. And Fritz Leiber.

grrm: Lovecraft too, but he is usually counted as horror.

Gardner: Ray, if Tolkien didn't influence you all that much, who did?

grrm: Yes, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser.

grrm: And of course Jack Vance.

Gardner: Of course.

grrm: DYING EARTH

REFeist: Let's see, Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson,

grrm: Liane the Wayfarer, Chun the Unavoidable

REFeist: Sabatini, H. Rider Haggard, A. Merrit,

Gardner: Still Old Dead Englishmen, but in a slightly different key. <g> (Scott & Stevenson that is, not Chun and Liane.)

REFeist: Broughs Mars stuff, and just about

REFeist: any good writer I could steal from.

Gardner: Ray, do you think that having been a film editor had an effect on your work?

REFeist: Yes. As well as working in theater. I think

REFeist: in very cinematic/theatrical terms, in how

REFeist: I see the work in progress. And I like

REFeist: very chracter driven stuff.

REFeist: ga

Gardner: How many books in your respective series are you gentlemen up to now?

grrm: I'm still working on number four.

REFeist: About a hundred and eleven, as of yesteray . . .

grrm: It seems I have been working on number four half my life.

REFeist: Seriously, in this particular series, I'm writing book three of five.

REFeist: ga

Gardner: You have other fantasy series, though?

grrm: Other writers have finished whole trilogies while I've been working on number four.

REFeist: Well, they're all realated, as if I was doing

REFeist: a continuing history of my world. GA

Gardner: Counting them all, what number are you up to?

REFeist: It's 21 novels so far.

REFeist: ga

Gardner: I should say to the audience that although we're ostensibly talking about the fantasy anthology LEGENDS II, questions about our guest's other work are welcome as well.

grrm: Yes, but LEGENDS II is really swell and you all need to buy it.

Gardner: Having said that, what ABOUT LEGENDS II. Tell folks about it. (Hold the cover up to the camera...)

REFeist: And remember, they make wonderful gifts!

grrm: Silverbob should be here to hold it up. He's the editor.

Gardner: Silverberg may be too OLD to hold it up. <g> This is one BIG book!

grrm: Me, I just did a novella. "The Sworn Sword." The return of Dunk and Egg, from LEGENDS I.

REFeist: Well, Silverbergh had me at "the check won't bounce." Seriously . .

REFeist: Most of my work was big picture stuff, and

REFeist: the smaller stories were very appealing to me in the collection.

Gardner: What's your story called, Ray?

grrm: If you all buy lots of copies, maybe some day there will be a LEGENDS III.

Gardner: Did we lose Ray?

Gardner: Ah, there he comes again.

REFeist: Yes, but I just got beter.

REFeist: Did the last answer get through?

Gardner: You're not fooling anyone, you know. <g>

Gardner: No.

REFeist: Anyway, I just wanted the chance to do

REFeist: stories that were smaller in scale, more personal

REFeist: than the epic stuff in the novels. And

REFeist: the two collections gave me that chance.

REFeist: ga

Gardner: What's the name of your story, Ray?

REFeist: The Messenger, which is a pretty straightforward

REFeist: "what does that guy do?" sort of story about a

REFeist: spear-carrier in the opera. GA

ChatMod: Let me throw in some audience question while Gardner catches his breath

ChatMod: <AKNicolle> to <ChatMod>: Addressed to both GRRM and Ray: How do you feel the genre has changed since you first started out?

Gardner: They pay you more money now? <g>

grrm: Depends on how you define the genre.

grrm: If it's just fantasy, it's boomed.

REFeist: I agree. The category has changed in terms

REFeist: of business. In terms of writing, I think

REFeist: it's still some really good stuff and some junk. GA

grrm: If you include SF and fantasy both, you have seen a shift from one to the other.

REFeist: Yes, Jane Johnson (my publisher in England) goes pale

REFeist: when I talk about an SF novel I want to write. GAS

grrm: Of course, publishing has changed a lot as well. All genres.

ChatMod: <Chooch> to <ChatMod>: Do GRRM and RF plot the short pieces differently than thier longer pieces?

REFeist: By its nature, a short form piece has different

REFeist: requirements than a novel. The shorter the story,

REFeist: the faster you have to make your point.

REFeist: ga

REFeist: For me, short fiction is harder. ga

grrm: You can't have the same level of complexity in a short story. Though sometimes I try.,..

grrm: Giant megaseries are harder for me. Especially the fourth volume...

ChatMod: Another question...

ChatMod: <WJ> to <ChatMod>: To REF: We had recently a discussion, if there was a Moredhel language. There were some things in your books that on the one hand look like there was a language, and on some other occasions, it looked like there wasn't. So the question: Is there a moredhel language and in which way is it related to the other Elven languages

REFeist: OK, George, here's how to finish the forth volume . .

REFeist: Put To Be Continued where you are, then start volume 5.

REFeist: ga

grrm: ack! no, no, that's just what I've been trying to avoid...

grrm: though some days I do get tempted

Gardner: You could use the ever-reliable "And then they were all run over by a truck. The End." Although in this case, I suppose it would have to be a troll...

grrm: I don't do Trolls. Except in WILD CARDS.

REFeist: Actually, I prefer, And then he woke up! It was all a dream!

ChatMod: Let me repeat that last question for REF

ChatMod: <WJ> to <ChatMod>: To REF: We had recently a discussion, if there was a Moredhel language. There were some things in your books that on the one hand look like there was a language, and on some other occasions, it looked like there wasn't. So the question: Is there a moredhel language and in which way is it related to the other Elven languages

Gardner: And we're not giving you your money back!

grrm: I did once end a short story with the sun going nova. Always wanted to do that.

Gardner: Ga, Ray.

REFeist: OK, great question.

REFeist: When I stayed awake during a linquistics

REFeist: class in college, a point one lecturer made to

REFeist: me was that in the 18th Century, a great

REFeist: paraiste infestation destroyed a large part

REFeist: of the Great Norther bison herd. The Cheynne split up

REFeist: into two bands, one going north to live with the

REFeist: Lakota, and the other going south to live with the Arapaho.

REFeist: Fifty years later they reunited, and they could

REFeist: barely speak to one another. I view

REFeist: the moredhel as the elves who haven't

REFeist: spoken to their cousins in a hell of a long time.

REFeist: They can communicate, but there's a lack

REFeist: of neuance and sub-text. GA

ChatMod: <Odie> to <ChatMod>: grrm: Do you have any idea yet on how many more Dunk and Egg stories you plan to write? Given the ending of The Sworn Sword, it seems that there will be at least one more, and possibly more given that Dunk eventually becomes Lord Commander of Aegon's Kingsguard.

grrm: Oh, more than one. Maybe six or seven. I want to follow them through their lives.

grrm: And they live in an especially eventful period of Westerosi history.

grrm: Of course, I need to finish A FEAST FOR CROWS before I write the next Dunk & Egg.

grrm: I should mention that the first D&E story, "THe Hedge Knight," has also been made into a great comic book

REFeist: By Roaring Studios, to be follwed by . .

grrm: by Roaring Studios. Script by Ben Avery, art by Mike S. Miller and Mike Crowell.

REFeist: The Wood Boy, my story from Ledgens I.

REFeist: ga

ChatMod: Many people are asking just how close you are to finishing Feast of Crows....

grrm: Not as close as I'd like to be,

Gardner: Any volunteers to finish it FOR him? <g>

REFeist: What's it pay?

ChatMod: Another less loaded question...

ChatMod: <Huskies4all> to <ChatMod>: I was curious to know if you have the slightest pang of regret when you kill off characters?

REFeist: I don't. I find that it gives a sense of

REFeist: peril that is sorely lacking in a lot of

REFeist: ficiton. GA

grrm: Yes. There is one infamous chapter in A STORM OF SWORDS that I could hardly bring myself to write.

REFeist: I figure if I thought up one good character, there are more where he/she came from. GA

Gardner: It gives me a pang when I realize that God probably feels no more compunction about killing off His characters. <g>

grrm: My characters are part of me. When I kill them, it hurts.

REFeist: Like a good wrier, God can make as many as He wants. GA

Gardner: Think how they feel.

REFeist: I guess I just don't get emotionally attached. Some are far

REFeist: more fun to write, but I'm not in love with any of them. GA

ChatMod: Chooch> to <ChatMod>: What are each of the author's daily writing practices? Music listening habits while writing?

grrm: I, on the other hand, am in love with all of them. Even the bad guys.

ChatMod: STATION IDENTIFICATION:

ChatMod: Just a reminder. We're chatting with writers Raymond E. Feist and George R.R. Martin. Tonight's chat is co-produced by Asimov's magazine (www.asimovs.com) Our host is Gardner Dozois. This is a moderated chat -- please send your questions for our guests to ChatMod, as private messages. (To send a private message, either double-click on ChatMod or type "/msg ChatMod" on the command line - only without the quotes.)...Then hit Enter (or Return on a Mac.)

grrm: No music for me. No distractions. Just me, the computer, the beads of blood.

REFeist: The bad guys are the most fun to write. That's why the villian in my last two books is the heor of the next one!

REFeist: Anyway, I jump out of bed, run 20 miles, eat

REFeist: grass clippings, cure cancer, then I start

REFeist: writing . . .wait a minue, you want a real answer.

REFeist: OK, I write between reading the newspaper, yelling at my

Gardner: Don't forget the eight impossible things you have to do before breakfast...

REFeist: kids, taking them to school, shopping, dating girls half my age, paying bills, etc.

REFeist: I write all the time I'm not doing other stuff.

REFeist: GA

grrm: Ray has a much more interesting life than I do.

Gardner: what about music?

REFeist: Never while I'm working. If I do, I start dancing around the house, which a man

REFeist: my age shouldn't do unless he's really trying to embarass his kids in

REFeist: front of their friends. Actually, I often have sports talk radio going while I work. I can multi-task. GA

Gardner: Hey, George, you could shop and pay bills TOO.

ChatMod: The winner of our book give away tonight is ...drum roll...miranda. To claim your prize send an email to feedback@www.scifi.com and put book winner in the sujb. line

grrm: Congrats, miranda.

grrm: Enjoy the book.

REFeist: MIranda, good for you!

ChatMod: <Sax6ton> to <ChatMod>: Do either of you see the genre of High Fantasy as a tired one? One contributor to the book commented that he would never write andything with "stuff like swords and dragons" because it has become so cliche'd.

grrm: We should mention that there's lots of other stuff in LEGENDS II besides my story and Ray's.

Gardner: But not Miranda? She's a Rudolph Valentino fan, and she doesn't try to understand...(sorry, sixties flashback)

REFeist: What, Lou Reeds in the house?

grrm: Which contributor said that? Pfui on him or her.

Gardner: I could guess.

REFeist: Look, every time you start one of these

grrm: Look, everything is old. Nothing new under the sun. It all depends on what you do with it.

REFeist: conversations, you end up back at

REFeist: Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud. It's not what you do, folks,

REFeist: it's how you do it. Or, if you're talking Armageddon Rag, it's also what you do. My favorite book by George.

Gardner: Who else IS in LEGENDS II?

grrm: Robin Hobb.

REFeist: Tad Williams

grrm: Her story is excellent, I think.

ChatMod: Still one of only a few "rock" novels worth reading

grrm: Scott Card.

grrm: Silverberg has a Majipoor story as well as editing.

REFeist: I'm doing shilling. ga

Gardner: Who else SHOULD HAVE BEEN in LEGENDS II who ISN'T?

grrm: There's Diana Gabaldon and Elizabeth Haydon.

ChatMod: <Lucieve> to <ChatMod>: May we ask what influence, if any, the gentlemen believe their works have had on the fantasy genre as a whole?

REFeist: Man, now you really want us to feel old!

grrm: Well, I've been telling Silverbob for years that JACK VANCE should be in the books, with a Dying Earth story.

REFeist: I was told by Sarrah Douglass I was an

Gardner: Right on!

REFeist: influence. I told her she'd have to prove it

REFeist: and no jury on Eath would covict me.

REFeist: Amen to Jack. If we can ever get him

grrm: That's not for me to say. I see some books with "in the tradition of George R.R. Martin" on the cover, but they're not.

REFeist: off of that damn yatch.

grrm: I think there should be a law. If they want to be in my tradition, they should have to get my permission.

Gardner: Ick. He's on a yatch? Sounds painful.

grrm: Sounds like something in a Vance story, actually.

Gardner: Many here would probably be willing to pay you for the priviledge, George.

REFeist: Jack sits down to write, and Paul Allen calls him

REFeist: and says, "Le's go sailing to Tahiti!" Drives Jacque Post

REFeist: his Dutch publisher nuts. Jack is HUGE in Holland. GA

ChatMod: <Sax6ton> to <ChatMod>: Mr. Martin, not that I'm eager to see an end to Fire and Ice, but do you see a personal return to SF anytime in the near future?

grrm: Roger Zelazny would have belong in LEGENDS too, with Amber, but he died too soon.

grrm: This series is going to take several more years at least. After that, who knows?

REFeist: Amen. Lord of Light, Creatures of Light and Darkness, and Roadmarks are stunning.

Gardner: Who else should have been in the infinately expansible version of LEGENDS II? Any overlooked and/or young writers who're doing really good fantasy work?

REFeist: I'd like to see Steve Stirling and Bill Forstchen do fantasy work, and there should be

REFeist: a Joel Rosenberg and Janny Wurts storie, IMHO.

grrm: China Mieville. Lynn Flewelling. Daniel Abraham.

REFeist: The fact I've collaborated with all of them tells you how I feel about their work.

grrm: Ursula Le Guin was in the first LEGENDS, and should have been in this one.

REFeist: Ditto Stephen King.

Gardner: I've been nagging George to write some short SF at least, but I think it's unlikely to happen until after he finishes his book.

grrm: Silverbob crossed genre lines to get Diana Gabaldon. He should have gotten Bernard Cornwell too.

REFeist: I would have KILLED to get a Bernad Cornwell story in the collection.

grrm: Oh, and Neil Gaiman is in LEGENDS II. We haven't mentioned him yet. One of the great modern fantasists.

ChatMod: <Jon> to <ChatMod>: To both GRRM and REFeist: will there be a legends III?

grrm: Neil comes out of comics, of course. Makes you wonder what Alan Moore, the other great comic writer of our day, could do.

REFeist: Alan told me once he has trouble with the prose form.

grrm: I'd write for it... but the decision rests with Robert Silverberg, and Del Rey Books, and depends on the sales on this one.

Gardner: They sell pretty well, i'd guess--but they also cost a lot.

Gardner: So there's a bigger nut to earn back.

grrm: True.

grrm: Very good books for the writers, though.

Gardner: I assume that LEGENDS made money, though, or there wouldn't have been a LEGENDS II.

grrm: Not only is the pay good, but LEGENDS broadens your audience.

grrm: I've had lots of people say they discovered my work in LEGENDS I, after buying it for the King story or the Pratchett story, etc.

REFeist: I'm am so tired of getting bombed off.

REFeist: Did anyone mention Clive Barker? He should

REFeist: have been in, too.

grrm: Yes, Clive would be a good choice.

Gardner: How about Peter Straub?

REFeist: I loved Shadowland, but is there

REFeist: an existing "universe" in which Peter could

REFeist: write a short piece?

REFeist: ga

grrm: Of course, LEGENDS is more than just "stories by your favorite writers."

ChatMod: Another question...

ChatMod: You've both created works that could be called "epic" in scope. Do you ever find yourself getting impatient with the details while you are trying to complete a greater story arc?

grrm: It's "stories by your favorite writers writing in their most famous universe."

REFeist: I don't. I love discovering what my characers

REFeist: are up to. They surprise the heck out of me.

grrm: The devil is in the details.

REFeist: ga

Gardner: I assume that J.K. Rowland was asked to contribute to LEGENDS and did not?

REFeist: I don't thinkso, but you'd have to ask AGbob.

grrm: You'd have to ask Silverbob.

Gardner: Would make sense, if only from a commercial standpoint.

Gardner: Do you read her books? Do you think she reads yours?

grrm: I've read three of them. I doubt she reads mine.

REFeist: I have no idea if she's read my stuff, and I've read the 1st 3 books. Pretty fun stuff.

REFeist: The only famous person I know who's read

REFeist: me is Keith Richards of the Stones. ga

Gardner: Before we wrap up, do either of you have any upcoming projects to plug other than ones we've discussed already?

REFeist: King of Foxes, out in the US in April. Exile's Return

REFeist: out in the UK in November!

grrm: GRRM, my Retrospective collection, is out from Subterreanean. Half a million words of SF, fantasy,horror, and me.

grrm: And there's the WILD CARDS reprints from iBooks.

REFeist: Thanks for having us! Got to go.

Gardner: Considering the staggering success of HARRY POTTER, do either of you have any intention of trying your hand at Young Adult fantasy?

ChatMod: Our time is about up. Thanks for a great chat guys. Tonight's chat is co-produced by Asimov's magazine (www.asimovs.com) Join us again in two weeks when we'll be chatting with writers Tananarive Due, Nalo Hopkinson, Andrea Hairston, Nnedi Okorafor-Mbachu, and Kalamu ya Salaam . We'll open the floor now. Good night.

Jebote, nebo i zemlja:

QuoteChatMod: <Huskies4all> to <ChatMod>: I was curious to know if you have the slightest pang of regret when you kill off characters?

REFeist: I don't. I find that it gives a sense of

REFeist: peril that is sorely lacking in a lot of

REFeist: ficiton. GA

grrm: Yes. There is one infamous chapter in A STORM OF SWORDS that I could hardly bring myself to write.

REFeist: I figure if I thought up one good character, there are more where he/she came from. GA

Gardner: It gives me a pang when I realize that God probably feels no more compunction about killing off His characters. <g>

grrm: My characters are part of me. When I kill them, it hurts.

REFeist: Like a good wrier, God can make as many as He wants. GA

Gardner: Think how they feel.

REFeist: I guess I just don't get emotionally attached. Some are far

REFeist: more fun to write, but I'm not in love with any of them. GA

grrm: I, on the other hand, am in love with all of them. Even the bad guys.

U stvari, sa jedne strane je dobro što je chat sa Feistom, čito da se vidi različiti pristup, ali, sa druge strane, kada pomislim da je sav ovaj prostor mogao da bude njegov...A i nešto nemam želju da čitam Fajsta posle ovoga.

Valja li to, Melkore?

e odlichno,
grrm: This series is going to take several more years at least. After that, who knows?

after that? menopauza

On je to već prošao, nadajmo se da će da poživi da završi. Meni je ovo isto, ono, seča. Na pitanje kakve su navike pri pisanju i da li, recimo, slušaju muziku, grrm kaže:

QuoteNo music for me. No distractions. Just me, the computer, the beads of blood.

Rekoh ti. Ako se ikada budes dvoumio sta da poneses na plazu slobodno uzmi Feista. Onako, zabavno...

Feist?

Mnogo naivno. Mnogo deus ex. Bar ono sto sam ja citao.

Rekoh za plazu

Ipak nije bas toliko naivno da ti smuci zivot k'o Eddings, na primer. Pitka boza, opustajuca - uvek sam kapirao da i takve stvari treba da postoje

Heh, da, proradio je, doduse, sindrom shpanske serije... "lele kako je naivno... ali ne mogu da prestanem..."

Od Feista sam pročitao samo 'Magician', ali i to mi je bilo previše. Na nezavidnom nivou D&D novela (Ed Greenwood, et al...).

Mislim, pobogu, glavni lik se zove Pug, for crying out loud!  

Plaža ili ne, preskočiću...

Definitivno ne zelim da ja sad, kao, ispadnem neki Feist-ov paladin (pu, pu) ali Feista sam iscitao i, ne stidim se, uzivao u njemu (na nivou u kome uzivam u domacim komedijama iz 80-ih) dok sam svaki D&D roman bacio posle par strana (dobro, ponovo zipovao i vratio na mesto - nisam bas u fazonu da jos i kupujem te stvari). Mozda je u pitanju moja glad za fentezijem  ali, morate priznati, dobrog fentezija bas i nema mnogo te onda covek cita i mediokritetnije stvari.

Ovo sam svojevremeno napisao u Znaku:

...Na prvi pogled ove knjige se uopšte ne razlikuju od takozvanih ˝pixieshit˝ romana po definiciji Majkla Murkoka. Ako tražite manje – više tipični frpovski svet na pravom ste mestu. Bradati Patuljci koji svoje sekire odlažu samo zbog dobrog piva i lule duvana, prekrasni Elfovi sa svojim ne tako krasnim Dark Elf rođacima, zloćudni Goblini ( ten im je zelene boje, naravno ), zmajevi u sopstvenom dijapazonu boja, čini se da samo Orci nedostaju. U ovim knjigama  Feist praktično uzima mainstream fantasy pisaca poput Tolkina i Lajbnera, ubacuje pozamašnu dozu AD&D-a  ( koji je i sam baziran na Tolkinu i Lajbneru ) i mućka neoriginalan koktel. Ipak sa takvim sastojcima koktel ˝mora˝ biti ukusan. Takođe, za razliku od nekih drugih pisaca ( Dejvid Edings – prim.aut.), Feist poseban napor ulaže u mešanje komponenti tako da finalni proizvod ne odaje neprijatni miris plagijata kao neke druge ponude u fantasy žanru.

...I dalje postoje klišei, ali Feist je ponovo u svom najboljem izdanju, i kako se snage Dobra i Zla okupljaju za konačan obračun ti klišei padaju u zasenak i čitalac se prepušta onom što Feist izuzetno dobro radi – zabavlja.

PS. Bas se vidi da ne volim Edingsa  

Ova noćna mora se nastavlja. Sa druge strane, drago mi je da ne podleže histeriji. Ovo je ujedno poruka Melkoru da crkne i da prestane da širi neproverene poluinformacije. Verujmo čoveku i njegovom obećanju. Evo šta je rekao prekjuče:

QuoteMORE PAGES. STILL NOT DONE. ALAS, ALAS.

I have been getting lots of email lately asking for an update on the progress of A FEAST FOR CROWS. Here it is. I aim to please.

I have been getting even more email asking if the latest publication date announced by one bookstore or another is correct. It isn't. I don't even care what date it is. I am still writing the book. Until it is done and delivered, all these announced pubdates are arrived at by throwing darts at a calendar.

As I have been saying for a year, the moment the book is done I will announce it here. The instant. The second. So if you visit this website, and this notice is still in place, it means I'm still writing. That remains as true in June as it was in January. Yes, I have been slow in updating this announcement, but believe me, I will not be slow to tell the world that my FEAST is headed for the table.

For whatever reason, this fourth book has given me much more trouble than any of the earlier volumes. As of today, I have finished forty-eight chapters, and have another eighteen partially written. Half a dozen of them are within a few whiskers of completion. The good news is that I have recently completed the final Jaime chapter for this volume. I'm very close on Arya and Sansa too, and fairly close on Tyrion. The not-so-good news is that all the other viewpoints remain incomplete, and one crucial one is barely half-done. The prologue is giving me fits as well, but as of last night I think I may have solved it.

The last printout I did for my editors (who are even more interested in my progress than my readers) came in at 1067 manuscript pages. That count includes includes only the finished chapters, not the partials. The final draft of A GAME OF THRONES was 1088 manuscript pages. A FEAST FOR CROWS will definitely be longer. Most likely it will be longer than A CLASH OF KINGS. As to whether it will eventually be as long as A STORM OF SWORDS... I hope not, but I have given up on making predictions.

The tale grew in the telling, J.R.R. Tolkien once said. Mine too. At a certain point, the best that you can do is follow your story where it leads you.

The vast majority of the email that I receive continues to be very supportive. I do not have the time to respond to all those letters, or to answer questions about why the seasons are the way they are, how the maesters make their chains, which of the Targaryen kings married their sisters, or where Myr is located in relation to Tyrosh (there will be a map of the Free Cities in FEAST that should take of that last one at least). If I did, my progress would be even slower than it is at present. I do read my emails, however, and I appreciate all the enthusiasm and kind words.

Of late, some of the words I have been getting have been less kind. I don't answer those either, though at times I am tempted. I will say, just to set some rumors straight, that I am not dead, I am not dying, I am not in ill health, I have not forgotten about my readers, and I am not lounging in my hot tub drinking chilled wine with hot babes in bikinis (though I'd like to be). I have been working on this bloody book almost every bloody day (okay, except for Sundays during football season and the two days of the NFL draft) for more years than I care to contemplate, writing, rewriting, revising, and writing again, trying to make FEAST a feast in truth.

As for those of you (only a handful, thankfully) who seem outraged that I continue to collect toy knights, read books by other people, travel, teach, speak, and make appearances (as evidenced by my website)... sorry, but I have a life beyond A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE. You should get one too. I am sorry if the long delays on A FEAST FOR CROWS have made you lose interest in the series, but believe me, your frustrations cannot possibly hold a candle to my own. For one thing, the way the book biz works, I don't get paid until the novel is (a) delivered, and (b) published.

It is worth remembering that Jack Vance published the third volume of his wonderful Demon Prince series (THE PALACE OF LOVE) in 1967 and the fourth volume (THE FACE) in 1979. And need I mention how long J.R.R. Tolkien worked on THE LORD OF THE RINGS or THE SILMARILLION? Does anyone now wish that he had knocked them out faster?

In the end, the only thing anyone remembers about a book is how good it was. I won't tell you that A FEAST FOR CROWS is going to be great. That's not my call to make. But I will say that I am doing my damndest.

Hang in there. I'll try to make you glad you did.

—George R.R. Martin, June 16, 2004

ma neka ga, nek ne zuri.
pre cu chekati godinu dana da budem oborena sa nogu nego da sutra u rukama drzim neki mediokritetan nastavak odlichnog serijala.

Shto se Martina tice,ja licno nisam mogao da cekam treci deo,znajuci da je iz dve knjige pa sam se odlucio ze english varijantu!I recicu vam samo da je tip manijak,sece likove kako stigne,totalno nepredvidim,ja nisam ispushtao knjige iz ruku!Sad se samo ceka A Feast 4 Crows!

Feist,je oduvek bio jedan od mojih omiljenih fantasy pisaca(a inace ih imam mnogo) i otvoreno priznajem da sam se stvarno zadubio u riftwar!
Ne bihga bash okarakterisao kao za plazu,mozda Magiciana na srpskom!
Ali Silverthorn i A Darkness at Sethanon se vec neshto drugo!

NE znam koliko cete se sloziti samnom ali meni se cini da se u modernim fantasy knjigama(sve posle tolkina) deshava jedna "shema" koja se stalno ponavlja!

Tolkinov pocetak-polutolkinov uvod u radnju-skoro samostalna razrada-samostalan kraj(koji je obicno i najbolji u celoj prici)!

Ovo se deshava u prvoj knjizi(pod uslovom da je neki serijal) dok su ostale knige totlano samostalne!

Od Edingsa sam citao Belgarijadu(ne celu) i mogu reci da do daljeg obecava!
OD njega sam citao i The Redemtion of Athalus koji je pisao sa bratom i stvarno me je odushevio,jer nimalo ne podseca na Belgarijadu!!!
Preporucujem!

P.S. To ne znaci da je Belgarijada losha,naravno! !

posto sam primetio da se komentarise Martinov stil, morao sam da se javim.  duzina zivota njegovih junaka je jako nepredvidljiva.  svaki put kad pomislim da znam kuda prica ide, desi se nesto nepredvidljivo.

ovo cekanje njegove sledece knjige me stvarno nervira. interantno je kako neki od njegovih fanova pomisljaju da je on umro i da je ovo sada samo razvlacenje.

u svakom slucaju, on dolazi u obliznju knjizaru u septembru, pa cu da odem da vidim coveka, ako bude nesto interesantno javicu.

Heh, ko ne veruje Otou, evo mu još jedan dokaz koliko je glup. Kada je u februaru, ili kad već, pročitao Martinovo objašnjejnje, rekao "To neće ove godine". To je valjda sada i skepticima jasno.

Meni je samo zabavna neka vrsta političke naivnosti ljudi koji žive u Americi, ali mi je i simpatična depresija u koju padaju i bezizlaznost koju osećaju. Tako sam se ja osećao 1991. i 1992.

Elem, na Martinovom sajtu pojavio se novi apdejt o A Feast For Crows, ali i njegova tužbalica o predsedničkim izborima. Nekadašnji baner za Kerija zamenjen je crnim sa natpisom "Mourning for America". Malo je i bedno, ali čovek je djavo i po, dva i po djavola od pisca.

Evo šta kaže:

QuoteI write this the day after the presidential election.

A FEAST FOR CROWS is still not finished. Yes, I have written some more pages since the June update. No, the book is not yet done. My August and September schedule was full of conventions, travel, and speaking appearances, which cut deeply into my writing time during those months. Yes, I could have made more progress on the book if I had stayed at home chained to the desk, but I make these commitments years in advance and I take them very seriously.

Also, some of the writing that I have done since June has actually been rewriting. My goal, as I have said repeatedly in these updates, has always been to produce a book that is a good as it can be, so when I suddenly realize that one of my story threads can be made much more powerful and dramatic with some restructuring, I restructure... even if that means going back, tearing up finished chapters, and reworking them from start to finish.

That's done, anyway. A FEAST FOR CROWS will be much better for it, and now I am back at work on new chapters once again... although not today, and maybe not tomorrow, or next week. I am pretty good with words, usually, but no words can express how miserable, angry, and depressed I am feeling this morning over the results of yesterday's election. The exit polling makes it clear: this was a victory for bigotry and fear, a mandate bought with lies. I know from past experience that it is going to take me some time to shake off this depression.

Losing myself in the world of Westeros would probably be the best medicine for what ails me just now, I know full well. There is solace in work, and books -- my own books, and those of others -- have always been a refuge for me during dark times in my life. Today, however, the {fictional} travails of my {fictional} Seven Kingdoms seem pretty unimportant compared to the very real woes that the United States is facing, a future of war and isolation abroad, and division and repression at home.

Winter is coming to Westeros, but it has already come to America.

—George R.R. Martin, November 3, 2004

Martin je uberdljivo prvi po čitanosti u gradskom prevozu. Ako neko čita nešto što nisu novine, onda je to Martin.  

Quote from: "Lurd"Elem, na Martinovom sajtu pojavio se novi apdejt o A Feast For Crows, ali i njegova tužbalica o predsedničkim izborima. Nekadašnji baner za Kerija zamenjen je crnim sa natpisom "Mourning for America". Malo je i bedno, ali čovek je djavo i po, dva i po djavola od pisca.

Mozda je bedno, ali je sasvim u americkom fazonu. Znam josh neke Amere koji chak NOSE crninu, jerbo su u zalosti zbog Busove pobede. To su uglavnom oni obrazovani, intelektualni i misleci Ameri. Sa moje tacke gledista, dobro je sto Martin nije beslovesna masa koja samo zariva nos u knjigu i ZNA da pise, a zabole je za to sta se okolo desava. Jes' da cemo popricekati na Feast for crows, ali prezivecemo - ako Bush ne sj... ceo svet.

Zakk, cinjenica je da u zemlji Srbiji, u gradskom prevozu knjige citaju samo oni koji znaju sta valja citati. Ostali ili bleje ili se "uzdizu" citajuci Kurir, Svet, Skandal i sl.

Quote from: "Unicorn"Mozda je bedno, ali je sasvim u americkom fazonu. Znam josh neke Amere koji chak NOSE crninu, jerbo su u zalosti zbog Busove pobede. To su uglavnom oni obrazovani, intelektualni i misleci Ameri. Sa moje tacke gledista, dobro je sto Martin nije beslovesna masa koja samo zariva nos u knjigu i ZNA da pise, a zabole je za to sta se okolo desava. Jes' da cemo popricekati na Feast for crows, ali prezivecemo - ako Bush ne sj... ceo svet.

Zakk, cinjenica je da u zemlji Srbiji, u gradskom prevozu knjige citaju samo oni koji znaju sta valja citati. Ostali ili bleje ili se "uzdizu" citajuci Kurir, Svet, Skandal i sl.

Mala digresija: na cnn.com je bila analiza profila ljudi koji su glasali za Busa i Kerija. Prema toj analizi, Bus je dobijao glasove belaca, ljudi koji postuju tradiciju, idu u crkvu, rade, i imaju stabilne prihode.  Cije je glasove dobijao Keri, samo moze da se pretpostavi. Sad sto je generalna americka politika takva,  da se trpaju gde ih niko ne zove, pa posle lokalci krenu sa odsecanjem glava, je problem same politike a ne ove dvojci.

U busu ja citam i Maritna, i Donaldsona i Zelaznija, a bogami i Kurir.

Quote from: "milant"Mala digresija: na cnn.com je bila analiza profila ljudi koji su glasali za Busa i Kerija. Prema toj analizi, Bus je dobijao glasove belaca, ljudi koji postuju tradiciju, idu u crkvu, rade, i imaju stabilne prihode.

Mislish, ispravni WASP-ovi, konformisti i malogradjani? E, pa, onda su oni drugi, shto nisu glasali za Busha, barem zanimljiviji, ako ne i bolji (sa moje tachke gledishta) deo americhke populacije. Kao shto Srbija nije Beograd (ili Novi Sad), tako "belci, ljudi koji postuju tradiciju, idu u crkvu, rade, i imaju stabilne prihode" nisu Amerika. Mada pokushavaju da nam nametnu takvu sliku o sebi. Ameri o kojima ja govorim su nauchnici (rade i imaju stabilne prihode), belci (jevrejskog i evropskog porekla), koji ne idu u crkvu ali poshtuju tradiciju, a osnovne karakteristike su im sklonost da misle svojom glavom i da imaju u vidu i ceo svet, a ne samo "kucu i okucnicu". Mislim da je pogreshno nipodashtavati mishljenje onih miliona crnaca, naturalizovanih amera i latinosa shto zhive tamo. Osim toga, malo sam skeptichna u odnosu na te analize, sve je to samo statistika (tendenciozno odabran uzorak i eto ti potvrde SVEGA shto pozhelish). Ali da ne shirimo diskusiju o stvarima koje su irelevantne za ovaj topic.

Quote from: "milant"U busu ja citam i Maritna, i Donaldsona i Zelaznija, a bogami i Kurir.

E, svaka ti chast kad mozhesh (mislim da chitash i Martina i Kurir). Tvoj primer nije pravilo.

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Quote from: "milant"U busu ja citam i Maritna, i Donaldsona i Zelaznija, a bogami i Kurir.

E, svaka ti chast kad mozhesh (mislim da chitash i Martina i Kurir). Tvoj primer nije pravilo.

Pa inace nista ne bih stigao. U busu provedem najmanje sat i po i na stanici jos nesto. A kako radim 9-10 sati dnevno, ne bi kuci nista stigao.
Eh tranzicijo....

Боле вас уво. Ви брбљате, а Мартин се поново оглашава а ја га не преносим на време. Мало се одобровољио, а није ни скроз трол, јер на крају има две реченице о дуго очекиваној књизи (али је и даље наставио да злораби своје дело у дневнполитичким стварима, а овог пута страдао је мото свима драгих Мартела):

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UNBOWED, UNBENT, UNBROKEN

As I write, six days have passed since the election.

Since I posted my "Mourning for America" update last Wednesday, I have been absolutely deluged with emails. As of this writing I have received more than six hundred letters. Short letters, long letters, funny letters, sad letters, heartfelt letters, angry letters, and everything in between. I am pleased to say that the vast majority of those emails have been very supportive.

Yes, there have been a few dozen abusive letters full of semi-literate namecalling, but actually fewer than I anticipated. No surprise there. Like Superchicken, I knew the job was dangerous when I took it. To those who say they will never read a book by me again, well, that's your choice. To those who suggested I get out of "your" country and move to France, nah, don't think so. I have nothing against France and hope to visit there again one day, but this is my country, and I believe I will stay and fight for it.

I have also received some thoughtful and considered missives from Bush voters, expressing their disagreement with the views I expressed in my last update. I wish I had time to answer those, since I do believe that the only way America is ever going to heal is if people of good will on both sides talk to one another and find some common ground. However, the last thing I need right now is to engage in twenty or thirty protracted political discussions via email. I do appreciate those letters and respect those who took the time to write them, as much as we may disagree on Bush, Kerry, and the issues.

Hundreds of you wrote to echo my sentiments about the election and the future that we face. Some of you have said that my words helped you in dealing with your own rage, depression, and despair. If so, I am very pleased. Your own emails had the same effect on me. I wish I could answer each and every one of those emails personally, but that is obviously impossible... especialIy since the flood continues even as I write.

I have, however, read every letter that I received. We all need to be reminded from time to time that we do not stand alone. It was good of so many of you to take the time to console me, commiserate, share your outrage, and generally help me try and recover from the aftermath of the vote.

So where am I now?

Back at work on A FEAST FOR CROWS, mostly. Revised and rewrote one of Arya's chapters yesterday. Today I mostly worked with Sam, and a little bit with Cersei. I still hope to finish by year's end, but of course I have said that before. We will see how it goes.

As for the election, our fight (like Tolkien's road) goes ever on and on, and we must follow where we can. There will be other battles, other elections, and we are legion. The Boss says it best: NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER.

Keep reading, keep thinking, and keep voting.

—George R.R. Martin, November 8, 2004

Quote from: "Lurd"Боле вас уво. Ви брбљате, а Мартин се поново оглашава а ја га не преносим на време. Мало се одобровољио, а није ни скроз трол, јер на крају има две реченице о дуго очекиваној књизи (али је и даље наставио да злораби своје дело у дневнполитичким стварима, а овог пута страдао је мото свима драгих Мартела):

OK. Chovek je hteo da pokazhe da ima politichki stav (na shta ima pravo), pokazao je, odmorio se od pisanja i sad nastavlja sa radom. To je dobra vest, zar ne?
Nema veze direktno sa temom, ali moram da kazhem: opet sam se uverila da je neprevazidjeni majstor. Pokushajte da chitate nekog drugog savremenog pisca koji koristi isti nachin pisanja (mislim na to da "govori" kroz likove) i videcete da je Martin neuporedivo bolji u nijansiranju likova od bilo koga. Barem u Pesmama leda i vatre.

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Nema veze direktno sa temom, ali moram da kazhem: opet sam se uverila da je neprevazidjeni majstor. Pokushajte da chitate nekog drugog savremenog pisca koji koristi isti nachin pisanja (mislim na to da "govori" kroz likove) i videcete da je Martin neuporedivo bolji u nijansiranju likova od bilo koga. Barem u Pesmama leda i vatre.

Nema sta, stvarno je mnogo dobar pisac. Posle njega kriterijumi samog pripovedanja drasticno skacu, pa mnogo stvari koje sam ranije voleo, sad mi se cine naivne i smesne.

I dosadno.   Necu da navodim, ali umrla sam od dosade chitajuci neke druge fantasy & mainstream knjige posle Martina. Mozhda one nisu loshe same po sebi, ali u poredjenju sa Martinom su DOSADNE.
Mada: ni Martin nije u svim delima isto dobar. Na primer, Fevre Dream je zanimljiva em "sharmantna" knjiga, ali gora od Song of Ice and Fire.

Eh, sad..."šarmantna". Treba imati u vidu da je Martin slavu stekao prvenstveno kao pisac priča, a romana ima jedva nešto preko prstiju jedne ruke, u stvari, tačno pet ako računamo i Song.

Nema lošeg romana, ali sve njegovo umeće se vidi u pričama. Ovo sve, naravno, važi do Song of Ice and Fire, koje mu je životno delo.

A Fevre Dream nije ništa kriv, to je fantastičan roman i ne treba ga porediti sa Song.

Quote from: "Lurd"Eh, sad..."šarmantna". Treba imati u vidu da je Martin slavu stekao prvenstveno kao pisac priča, a romana ima jedva nešto preko prstiju jedne ruke, u stvari, tačno pet ako računamo i Song..A Fevre Dream nije ništa kriv, to je fantastičan roman i ne treba ga porediti sa Song.

Ono "sharmantna" NIJE recheno ironichno. Samo me nije "bacila u nesvest" (kao shto Song jeste), iako ima dobru ideju i sjajne delove (izvini Lurd, ali mislim da je malo "silovao" i ideju i razradu, pa me celina ne odushevljava). Shto se poredjenja neuporedivog tiche, u pravu si, malo sam pomeshala stvari. Mea culpa!

bokca mu!
tema postavljena 22. februara
oce l vec jednom ta 4. knjiga?

Porodjaj je, plashim se, dug i tezhak.
Oni koji od mene pozajmljuju Martina stalno me pitaju kad che kad che kad che.

Quote from: "DUNADAN"bokca mu!
tema postavljena 22. februara
oce l vec jednom ta 4. knjiga?

Bokca mu!
Tema postavljena 22. februara!
Oće l' Duna pročitati bar postove u kojima ima kvotova, što će reći Martinovih predvidjanja?

jok vala, ja!
obangavio mi se prst od skrolovanja pa kontam da ces ti biti dovoljno gentleman da izadjesh u susret

samo se nadam da na kraju nece biti razocarenje.  trenutna prica ima masu pravaca bice tesko sve to ujediniti u celinu koja ima smisla.  mislim da ce 4-ta knjiga biti odlicna, ali nisam siguran da ce uspeti da zavrsi ciklus sa istim kvalitetom.

LAGUNA je upravo objavila drugi deo Martinove OLUJE MAČEVA: Naslov je KRV I ZLATO, cena 490 din bez popusta.

Novi update, ali i dalje nista.  Po ovim njegovim recima, rekao bih da ima bar jos 2-3 meseca posla.

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I said that I hoped to have the book done by the end of the year. Famous last words. No, it's not done, though I am getting closer. I have more than thirteen hundred pages in final draft form and another hundred or so in roughs or fragments, but there are still some chapters yet to write. I'm telling myself that I'm on the home stretch. As soon as FEAST as done, I will announce it here.


—George R.R. Martin, January 17, 2005
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Ja bih rekao da će se knjiga pojaviti do kraja godine.

Martin je toliko melodramatican da sam se naglas smejao kad sam video da je na www.georgerrmartin.com dugo posle izbora drzao banner sa natpisom UNBOWED. UNBENT. UNBROKEN.

Radi se naravno o motu jedne od velikih plemickih familija iz 'a song of ice and fire' i navodno jedinom nacinu da nam docara sopstveni mocni i junacki prkos prema W.

Man, what a drama queen. Ovde sam izgubio mnogo postovanja za njega.

Dočekasmo i taj dan, mada su ga neki srećnici pročitali i pre mesec dana, kada ih je Amazon obradovao.

Ja čekam još 20 dana dok se moji ljudi ne vrate iz Amerike.

Izdržaću.

Valjda.

Dame i gospodo, A Feast for Crows je u mojim rukama. Konacno.

Ja ga već danima skeniram. Nije valjda da misliš na prevod?

Quote from: "Trol"Ja ga već danima skeniram. Nije valjda da misliš na prevod?

A ja treba da čujem iz treće ruke da ti to imaš? C, c, c...Duboko si me razočarao. Du-bo-ko.

No, samo javi kad završiš, a ja ću ipak sačekati svoj hc.  

Iz treće ruke? Pa, knjiga se već danima postavlja na Poniju, da bi danas bila cela okačena. Svrati, bejbe, niko te neće ujesti.

http://www.tolkien.co.yu/viewtopic.php?t=15410

Mislim na papirnu i elektronsku verziju.

nightflieru, će mi zajmiš papirnu, ne mogu više sa monitora da čitam... doduše, sve zavisi od toga kad se vidimo. Ak' ništa drugo, čekam januar i naše izdanje, znam da je Pajvančić još letos dobio rukopis, bar mi tako čovek rekao. Imam i ja tebi šta da zajmim (he, he, da vidiš samo... ).

Quote from: "Nimrodel"Ak' ništa drugo, čekam januar i naše izdanje

Ma ti se šališ.

Imam i ja elektronsko, imam i gde da ga odštampam, ali ipak ću sačekati ovih 18-19 dana dok mi ne stigne kopija. Mada, ne bi me začudilo da baš avion u kome se nalazi moj primerak Feasta bude meta terorista. Mislim, luck mi je 2, a pritom imam Jinxed trait.

Quote from: "Lurd"Mislim, luck mi je 2, a pritom imam Jinxed trait.

Onda možeš očekivati da te neko sa koskom u nosu izrešeta svojim P90-kom u momentu kada ideš po knjigu u poštu.

Ne šalim se, Lurd... dovoljno sam para pukla za pošiljke iz inostranstva (evo, novih 20 ojra će da mi ode na Niksovu trilogiju o Staroj kraljevini, ne mogu da čekam prevod Abhorsena). Beži, bre, skupo, a Martina čitam na srpskom, jerbo njega ne istražujem, opuštam se, baš onako zdravo dobro... ima dovoljno Martinovaca da se njime bavi... a više čitati sa monitira ne mogu, jerbo ionako to prečesto radim. Neg' Trole, da postavim ove onaj esej o kompoziciji Igre prestola i gde, vidim ima i ovde njegovih poklonika.

Otvori novu temu o ovom podforumu i iskopiraj tekst sa Ponija, jer ovde ima ljudi koji su, očigledno, alergični na braon boju.

Nego, naš Bitchdoctor bi da prevodi knjigu. Moram da ga razuverim od toga, da ne sjebe vreme uzalud, dok Pajvančić uzima pare i kurči se u društvu.

Šta? Ludi Nar hoće da prevodi? Ne razumem... je l' na njega misliš? Daj, pusti ga, nek' radi... dokon um je đavolje igralište, a kod njega je to milion puta dokazano u praksi... neka ga, sam nek' radi. Nek' uposli onu svoju ludu glavu.

Ni ja nemam ništa protiv toga, jer sam uveren da bi on taj posao odradio sto puta bolje od Džinovske sipe, čak i da je na heroinu, ali postavlja se pitanje "za koga"??? Za tries ljudi koji se šetaju po internet budžacima? Džabe.

Elem, kada smo već kod sipe, nosilac pojedinih poglavlja u Gozbi je Aša Grejdžoj i njen PoV se zove The Kraken's daughter. Lele, kada to onaj prevede kao Kćer Džinovske sipe... počeću da cvilim.

Quote from: "Nimrodel"Martina čitam na srpskom, jerbo njega ne istražujem, opuštam se, baš onako zdravo dobro... ima dovoljno Martinovaca da se njime bavi...

Daj, bre, ne zajebavaj! Pa zar to što nećeš da ga istražuješ treba da bude razlog što čitaš sakatu knjigu? Mislim, dao mi je Trol neke linkove za raspravu sa prevodiocem i nisam mogao da verujem da niko nije pomenuo najgoru stvar u prevodu - ubijeni stil. Svi su se bavili sitnicama (i ja bih verovatno, da se ne lažemo), a niko da vidi koliko je predivni Martinov jezik, tečan i lak za čitanje sa pravom dozom arhaizama i kovanica potpuno nepostojeći u "prevodu".

Ljudi, ne zavaravajte se. Martin ne samo da je dobar pripovedač, već je i superioran pisac. To se može izučavati i predavati na kursevima za pisce i časovima književnosti. A u prevodima nema ni trunke magije, prepoznatljivosti, osećaja. Šta god u serijalu da se dešava i koja god da je knjiga u pitanju, zanš po piščevom stilu da je u pitanju Westeros. Na srpski je "prevedeno" generički, kao neki kuvar ili neki manual.

Nije to pitanje izučavanja, to je pitanje opšteg uživanja u knjizi. To je kao da si rekla "neću da vozim Poršea, voziću Keca, jer neću da se upuštam u proučavanje mehanike i motora". Baš tako.

Lurd, mani sad sa tim, da mi neko pozajmi Martina u originalu, pročitala bih... ovako, moram se zadovoljiti sa srpskim prevodom, jerbo ti lepo kažem, ima i drugih knjiga koje su mi bitnije kada kupujem iz inozemstva. Martin jeste dobar pisac, ali za mene je dovoljan prevod, a to ne znači da ga unižavam. Mislim da preoštro reaguješ, to bi bilo kao kada bih ja sad tebi tražila opravdanje što ne čitaš nešto drugo u originalu... To je već preterano.

Sad, o Pajvančićevom prevodu ne mogu mnogo da govorim, jer ne poznajem original, s tim da mogu reći sledeće - s obzirom na to koliki rok izdavači daju prevodiocima, ono je još i dobro. Kada, recimo, ulaziš u taj posao i pitaš - koliki su rokovi za gotov prevod, većina ti obično kaže da roka nema (što bi i trebalo da bude, s obzirom na to da kod nas prevodilac za besramno bedan novac igra ulogu istraživača, prevodioca, daktilografa i vrlo često mora da vodi računa i o pravopisu i gramatici, jer lektora posle ne bude ili i ako ga bude, ponekad se čini da se samo potpisao, jer opet i taj čovek biva malo plaćen)... No, onda se događa da izdavač traži od samog prevodioca da nekih 400-500 šlajfni teksta bude prevedeno u roku od 2 meseca, što je suludo, jer retko koji prevodilac je samo to u životu i naravno, onda dolazi do rogobatnijih i prostijih prenosa i prevoda.

Treba samo pokušati taj posao, pa videti kako izgleda kada tekst u veoma kratkom vremenskom periodu čovek čita nebrojeno puta - realno, on više nije u stanju da prepozna greške, niti da vidi iskliznuća u stilu.

Zašto je, recimo, prevod GP dobar - pa čovek ga je radio tri godine, peglao ga, šmirglao, istraživao i verovatno nije bio pod tolikim pritiskom.

Sad, nemoj me pogrešno shvatiti i misliti da branim Pajvančića - samo govorim ono što jeste i iskreno, mene je veoma obradovala vest da Martina neće biti na Sajmu, jer samim tim znači da prevodilac ima više vremena za bavljenje samim tekstom. Jesi li pogledao intervju koji je sa njim rađen? Evo ti link:
http://www.tolkien.co.yu/lite/viewtopic.php?t=13298

To je tako, Lurd, i biće tako sve dok Udruženje prevodilaca Srbije ne bude smanjilo svoje ogromne tarife ili dok izdavači ne budu počeli da poštuju ljude koji rade prevod, dok im ne budu počeli da plaćaju bar približno onoliko da im isplate trud - većina njih nije u fazonu da to radi samo zato što im je do lepote književnosti stalo.