...ucestvuju Britanske, Francuske i US trupe. Putin nadgleda.
I onda kazete Obama nije klozet-komunista? :D
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVDpRIQbGRBp3KOFBZ355nxJnuHgD9EGV6S81 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVDpRIQbGRBp3KOFBZ355nxJnuHgD9EGV6S81)
US, British, French troops to march on Red Square
(AP) – 6 days ago
MOSCOW — The British Embassy says British, French and U.S. troops will march with Russian soldiers on Red Square to mark the 65th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.
It said in a statement Thursday that the May 9 parade will include a Royal Air Force band and a detachment of Welsh Guards.
The statement said the parade may mark the first time British troops have marched in Red Square.
The U.S. Embassy confirmed that U.S. soldiers will take part in the parade.
Victory Day is Russia's most important secular holiday. The Kremlin plans a larger parade than usual this year.
the whole world is turning communist :)
Ma krasno...
"Ziveo Staljin, i svetska revolucija, ziveo Inforbiro i njegova rezolucija!.."
E jebiga, pa ne slavi se valjda 9. maja Staljin nego kraj najmonstruoznijeg rezima nametnutog evropi ikad...
Zagore, koliko puta je Eisenhower slao trupe da marsiraju na Crvenom Trgu na 9-majskoj proslavi? A koliko puta Kennedy? Johnson? Nixon, on je valjda slao Marince da marsiraju na kineskim paradama? Ford? Karter? Koliko je puta Reagan slao svoju vojsku da marsira sa Crvenom Armijom pod Breznjevom/Andropovim/... lozom? H.Bush? Klinton? W?
:lol:
"NO FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS"
Naravno da ce sef drzave da nadgleda, nece valjda predsednik.
pobogu pa gde je to za poredjenje? Tada je na Ameriku bilo upereno, na 2 minutes warning, 28,000 bojevih glava. Sad nam astronauti sede u istoj svemirskoj stanici, transport svega za vosjku u Avganistanu ide preko Rusije. Jebiga, pa nije ovo '49.
W je slao vojsku u pogresan rat na kreditnu karticu, i ja i moj sin cemo da ga placamo dok smo zivi. To me licno mnogo vise dotiche.
Tebe se ne tice. Ljude koji su mnogo blizi armed forces, ovo se itekako tice. Njima nije svejedno, i nemoj da mislis da oni posmatraju sadasnjeg commander-in-chiefa na isti nacin na koji ga ti dozivljavas.
Jel' to znaci da ce da radi neki Zveki?
Quote from: zagor te nej on March 24, 2010, 05:25:49 PM
pobogu pa gde je to za poredjenje? Tada je na Ameriku bilo upereno, na 2 minutes warning, 28,000 bojevih glava. Sad nam astronauti sede u istoj svemirskoj stanici, transport svega za vosjku u Avganistanu ide preko Rusije. Jebiga, pa nije ovo '49.
bas ovo htedoh da kazem. To tvoje kada su kenedi, ford itd. slali vojsku je smesno i za porediti.
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
Pre pet godina kad, bilo 60 godina iskrcavanja u Normandiji i prvi put u istoriji pozvali i nemacke veterane.
I bila sjajna scena, prilazi deda britanac u britanskoj uniformi nekom mitraljezu protiv avionske odbrane pored koga stoje dvojica deda Nemaca, u civilu. I ovaj Nemac pita ovog Engleza, pokazivajuci prstom u nebo, na engeskom sa teskim nemackim akcentom, "vi ste tamo iskocili iz aviona padobranom, je l' da". Englez mu odgovara "da, tamo". A Nemac mu kaze "ja sam odavde pucao na vas" - pokazujuci na instalirani mitraljez.
Da li zbog akcenta ili zbog neceg drugog, izgledalo je kao da Nemac ima vrlo radostan glas.
Englez mu odgovorio "da, ali mene ste promasili" :)
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
zato sto ne znam sta to tacno znaci? anti american u odnosu na sta? mozda ste bas vi anti american jer ste defakto u manjini.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
define
anti-american
Bio je susret americkih i japanskih veterana na obelezavanju Perl Harbor godisnjice. Ne secam se detalja, ali mislim da je bilo u veoma kolegijalnom stilu, gde su jedni i drugi prijateljski pricali o napadu na P.H. gde su nekad bili neprijatelji.
Ja mislim da je to drugacije od ovih. Te sastanke prezivelih veterana potpuno drugacije razumem i dopada mi se sto postoje. Jako potrebno i za njih licno, i za njihove nacije.
Ali ovo u Moskvi je vojna parada aktivne vojske. Osim ako im US ne posalje Village People "Don't ask don't tell" squad, mislim da nije prikladno da se marsira na Sovjetskoj vojnoj paradi, pa makar bila i proslava pobede WW2. Ako nisu ucestvovali 65 godina, zasto sad zapocinjati?
Da li bi bili isto za da je Kostunjavi slao Crvene Beretke da marsiraju sa ruskom bracom u Moskvi?
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
Tebe se ne tice. Ljude koji su mnogo blizi armed forces, ovo se itekako tice. Njima nije svejedno, i nemoj da mislis da oni posmatraju sadasnjeg commander-in-chiefa na isti nacin na koji ga ti dozivljavas.
Pravo da ti kazem uopste me ne zanima kako ga dozivljavaju. Ovo je (jos uvek) civilno, gradjansko drustvo u kom oni primaju platu za servis koji obavljaju za drzavu.
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 24, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
define anti-american
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php)
8-)
Quoteanti-american US president?
Bezveze ...Ja bash mislim suprotno...koliko je uopshte moguce nakon svih sranja on pokushava da USU bar predstavi u nekom drugom svetlu i priblizi je "saveznicima" koji se udaljavaju.
Rusija ce chak vrlo verovatno u buducnosti da se nadje u istom vojnom savezu sa Evropljanima a mozda chak i sa USOm.
Oni koji ne vide da se vremena menjaju, da se geopolitichka situacija menja i istrajavaju na onome shto je "zacrtano" u proshlosti nekako mi se chine slepi kod ochiju.Zashto bi se ostalo zaglavljeno u starim rovovima? Francuzi i Englezi, Nemci i Francuzi su ratovali izmedju sebe u proshlosti pa su sad pod istom kapom.
Rusija se (polako) menja...Kina se menja...postali su strateshki partneri na mnogim poljima zapadu...
Shta vishe , mislim da USA MORA da saradjuje sa jucherashnjim neprijateljima jer je to u interesu USE same.
Ja lichno ne vidim neki veliki pomak sa Obamom ali opet te stvari ne idu brzo i ne preko noci...
Nadam se da ipak vecina Amerikanaca ne pripada Tromotorchevom jatu i da uvidjaju da su velike promene neophodne...no nisam sigurna. Vreme ce pokazati...i izbori...
I ne samo to, Obama nije pao s Marsa na mesto preCednika USE...i njega je doveo krupan kapital na vlast...znachi da oni uvidjaju...a shta raja po nekim vukojebinama smatra nema nekog prevelikog znachaja. Ta vojska moze da kuka al shto reche Zagor oni su placeni od drzave da odradjuju servis kako im se naredi.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 24, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
define anti-american
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php)
8-)
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February 10, 2010
The Code of the Left vs The Code of the West: Contrast and Compare
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A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job." -- John Wayne
Once upon a time, there was "The Code of the West." [Original here] That was long ago, far away and in another country. Now there is only, "The Code of the Left." I've compared the two here. The Code of the West is in plain text. The Code of the Left is in italics because, well, it is just so damned important!
It's time for our biannual check in on how these two dueling codes are faring in America. When last we looked the Obama Banditos were riding roughshod over the people. Now, the Banditos seem to be in retreat and at our feet pleading a new birth of populism. But since the leftist Banditio is always either at your feet or at your throat it can't last. What's next? We're open for updates, additions, and deletions.
* Don't inquire into a person's past. Take the measure of a man for what he is today.
* There are no "people," only "social policies." Don't inquire into a social policy's past or that policy's likely consequences for the future. Take the measure of a policy by how closely it maps to the Socialist Utopia that has already killed and crippled hundreds of millions of people. Dream big nightmares.
* Never steal another man's horse. A horse thief pays with his life.
* Always look to steal another man's money with a "tax." Always ask your fellow citizen to reach for his wallet. All tax thieves are rewarded with a fat government pension and fatter health plan.
* Defend yourself whenever necessary.
* Do not defend yourself or the country under any circumstances. Killers are just grown-up kids who were abused. Terrorists are just people who haven't had their issues listened to with compassion. Make sure nobody else can defend themselves. Use only diplomacy to defend your country. Armies are raised only to place sandbags around towns about to be flooded for the fifth time. When that happens use government money to enable the fools who built them to rebuild them.
* Look out for your own.
* Look out, first, last and always, for any other people numerous enough to declare themselves an oppressed group (The minimum number is 3) - except if the group is an actual family, in which case seek to disband it by any means necessary.
* Remove your guns before sitting at the dining table.
* Ban guns. Anytime, anywhere. The Second Amendment is a misprint. Erase it in the original. Burn all copies.
* Never order anything weaker than whiskey.
* Never order anything stronger than a decaf double latte made with soy milk. Yes, that drink will shrink your testicles and/or ovaries to the size of peas, but you weren't using them anyway. Make it a double.
* Don't make a threat without expecting dire consequences.
* Threaten everyone and every behavior you think does not square with an organic, green, globally-warmed new-age life-style. They will fold. There will be no consequences. There never are.
* Never pass anyone on the trail without saying "Howdy".
* Never pass anyone on the street without muttering "Bush lied."
* When approaching someone from behind, give a loud greeting before you get within shooting range.
* When approaching someone from behind, try to determine if they are a Republican-Christianist before picking their pocket and denigrating their beliefs with impunity.
* Don't wave at a man on a horse, as it might spook the horse. A nod is the proper greeting.
* Don't wave at a blind man with a seeing-eye dog as it might confuse/abuse the dog. Lead them both into a disabled parking space and leave them there with a pocket full of kibble and food stamps.
* After you pass someone on the trail, don't look back at him. It implies you don't trust him.
* After you pass anti-Christian laws, don't look back. God will turn you into a pillar of salt and there is no salt tax.... Yet.
* Riding another man's horse without his permission is nearly as bad as making love to his wife. Never even bother another man's horse.
* Riding another man's wife or significant other is not only okay, but a qualification for high office. Gay or straight, you are allowed to have anyone you want without consequences to the family since soon there won't be any. Medicines for STDs will be free and will soon consume 92% of federal research funds (7% goes to embryonic stem cell research), dedicated to finding a sex vaccine so you can get back to the level of random sex with random strangers you enjoyed in the early 1970s.
* Always fill your whiskey glass to the brim.
* Always buy and carry the really big bottle of Fuji mineral water everywhere so people can know that while you object to Big Oil making windfall profits on $3.00 a gallon gasoline, you have no problem with windfall profits on $10 a gallon bottled water.
* A Cowboy is pleasant even when out of sorts. Complaining is what quitters do, and Cowboys hate quitters.
* A Leftist is mean and bitter even when in office. Complaining and turning small complaints into laws is what Leftists at all levels do. Leftists love making new laws from old whines.
* Always be courageous. Cowards aren't tolerated in any outfit worth its salt.
* Never exhibit courage when it comes to defending your country. Cowardice is a Leftist pre-requisite for running for office on any level. Your constituents are cowards to the core and don't expect any less from you.
* A Cowboy always helps someone in need, even a stranger or an enemy.
* A Leftist only helps those in need when helping them will condemn them to being in need for all eternity. Enemies are to be helped only if they will promise to first vote for and then behead Leftists. In that way both the need to rule and the need to expunge guilt can be satisfied.
* Never try on another man's hat.
* Never try on another man's condom or use his needle - without asking permmisson which will naturally be forthcoming. Free condoms and free needles are a basic right and will replace the present Second Amendment as soon as possible. Draft text: "An unregulated and unrestrained sex and drugs and rock and roll lifestyle, being the necessary opiate of the masses, the right of the people to free condoms and free needles, shall not be infringed."
* Be hospitable to strangers. Anyone who wanders in, including an enemy, is welcome at the dinner table. The same was true for riders who joined Cowboys on the range.
* Be hospitable to those who "wander" into your country illegally. Anyone who "wanders" into the United States, including an enemy, is welcome at the welfare table. This is especially true for those who will do the voting sane Americans won't - voting for you.
* Give your enemy a fighting chance.
* Give all enemies a really good fighting chance always. Make the Armed Forces fight with both hands behind their back. Roll back all arms programs to the environmentally sensitive bow and arrow era. Marines are to be especially despised for their general Gung Ho militaristic attitude. Make up rules of engagement that ensure all wars will be fought on the cheap and without weapons that are more lethal than megaphones. In war, Love is all you need.
* Never wake another man by shaking or touching him, as he might wake suddenly and shoot you.
* But if he does, pass more laws restricting guns and apologize to him before dying.
* Real Cowboys are modest. A braggart who is "all gurgle and no guts" is not tolerated.
* Real Leftists are the first to tell you what wonderful human beings they are. A Leftist who is "all gurgle and no guts" can be easily nominated for high office. See "Edwards, John."
* A Cowboy doesn't talk much; he saves his breath for breathing.
* A Leftist does nothing but talk. Talk is mother's milk without the annoying lactation. Leftist talk is a three-foot length of numbing rebar pounded down the center of your spine. A Leftist will save his breath for Yoga class.
* No matter how weary and hungry you are after a long day in the saddle, always tend to your horse's needs before your own, and get your horse some feed before you eat.
* No matter how weary and frustrated you are after a long day of lying and pandering on the campaign trail, always tend to your political machine's needs before your own. Get your machine some more money (cash if possible) for moveon.org or Media Matters. Don't skim more than 55% of the cash for yourself. Remember that if you are elected you can feed at the public trough for life, and earn millions for blathering after you retire.
* Cuss all you want, but only around men, horses and cows.
* Cuss all you want, constantly and without restraint, especially when you hear the obscenity-triggering words, "President Bush." Be sure to teach the F-word to your children early and reward them for using it.
* Complain about the cooking and you become the cook.
* Complain about earmarks unless they are your earmarks and remember to vote for all earmarks so that others will vote for yours.
* Always drink your whiskey with your gun hand, to show your friendly intentions.
* Always sip your chai with the pinky finger crooked, to show your rainbow intentions.
* Be there for a friend when he needs you.
* Be there with a handout for a voter when you think that you can pander enough and promise enough free stuff to buy that vote. Pander early and pander often. Offer $5,000 just for being born. Be sure you put that idea forward before a group of people with a history of getting (and an undying thirst for more) handouts. Always infantalize.
* Drinking on duty is grounds for instant dismissal and blacklisting.
* Drinking and smoking dope in office is grounds for instant lionizing, a safe seat, and a free pass should you drive off a bridge on the way home and leave someone who was giving you sex at the wheel behind to drown.
* A Cowboy is loyal to his "brand," to his friends, and those he rides with.
* A Leftist is loyal to the nightmares of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Fidel Castro - all of whom knew how to run billions of lives for the better. They may be gone but their song remains the same. Dance to it and make sure everyone else does too. Or else.
* Never shoot an unarmed or unwarned enemy. This was also known as "the rattlesnake code": always warn before you strike. However, if a man was being stalked, this could be ignored.
* Always smear a blameless or dangerous political enemy. Lying and innuendo is okay. Be the rattlesnake. Unless the man is stalking the same office you are. In that case smear early and smear often. Lie big and lie long.
* Never shoot a woman no matter what.
* Never seek to make love to a woman unless there are no other alternatives - including shrubs - or unless you are a woman.
* Consideration for others is central to the code, such as: Don't stir up dust around the chuck-wagon, don't wake up the wrong man for herd duty, etc.
* Being inconsiderate of personal God-given liberty is central to the code of the Left. There is no God, there is only the Party and the dream of a socialist utopia. Always stir up dust and regulations around the free market -- it can and does donate money to your opponents. Don't wake up those who depend on government hand-outs for everything. Promise more and keep them comatose.
* Respect the land and the environment by not smoking in hazardous fire areas, disfiguring rocks, trees, or other natural areas.
* Respect the small, endless fears of everyone in the environment by not smoking anywhere at anytime unless it is copious amounts of really righteous dope. Remember the first commandment of the Leftist: "Tobacco and Fox News bad. Dope and the New York Times good." Seek to have laws passed enabling everyone to smoke as much dope as they want. Then they will be too stoned to see through your insane plans. They will even think that more taxes on the rich means higher government revenues. Praise those who are disfiguring rocks, walls, and buildings with graffiti as "artistes." Return forests and farmland to their natural state -- especially if you can get them cheap via takings or public domain. Let the surviving population live like the sheep they are and eat grass.
* Honesty is absolute - your word is your bond, a handshake is more binding than a contract.
* Lies are your friend. Never let facts obfuscate falsehoods. Your word is only good for those your are speaking to at the time you are speaking. After you've promised something, forget about it. A handshake and a contract are simply lies waiting for laws to make them inoperative. If caught in a lie and under oath remember to always ask what the meaning of "is" is.
* Live by the Golden Rule.
* Live by the Rule of the Gold: If you run across anyone with gold, make them convert it to paper money and give 98% of that to the state or your re-election campaign. Require the other 2% to be donated to a charity of your choice for a tax deduction. Live the dream by buying your way into the government which will be, when that great getting-up morning arrives, the only thing on earth with any money or privilege.
[Note: I'm also looking to add to this list. The last time it came around we got this prescient statement in the comments:
West: "Never shoot a woman no matter what."
Left: "Unless she is the Republican Governor of Alaska. In which case, blast away. Be sure to remove her orange hunting vest afterwards so you can claim it was 'just an accident' and you mistook her for a caribou."]
Posted by Vanderleun at February 10, 2010 11:19 AM | TrackBack
Sa velikim interesovanjem chekam odgovor Zagora i Alana na ovo gore... :mrgreen:
pa, pre nekoliko godina sam naisao na zakone vikinga, koji se cesto pominju i koriste u softverskoj industriji ali su primenljivi apsolutno na sve svere zivota. Znam da ne zivim u zemlji vikinga vec kauboja ali mozda i kauboji mogu nesto nekada da nauce.
Be brave and aggressive
Be direct
Grab all opportunities
Use varying methods of attack
Be versatile and agile
Attack one target at a time
Don't plan everything in detail
Use top quality weapons
Be prepared
Keep weapons in good condition
Keep in shape
Find good battle comrades
Agree on important points
Choose one chief
Be a good merchant
Find out what the market needs
Don't promise what you can't keep
Don't demand overpayment
Arrange things so that you can return
Keep the camp in order
Keep things tidy and organised
Arrange enjoyable activities which strengthen the group
Make sure everybody does useful work
Consult all members of the group for advice
Dobra lista. Nije ni cudo sto je Minesota napredna drzava, kad su je osnovali vikinzi.
Btw, evo ga link za Code of the West (http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-CodeOfTheWest.html).
Ini je preneo Vanderluenov tekst koji sam linkovao, njegov tekst je komentar, a ovo je link na originalni tekst.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 25, 2010, 03:04:54 PM
Dobra lista. Nije ni cudo sto je Minesota napredna drzava, kad su je osnovali vikinzi.
meni se dopala, cak sam je u par navrata koristio (skracenu verziju) na poslu za razne team building, product/team kick off i vidim da se svima dopadne.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 25, 2010, 03:04:54 PM
Dobra lista. Nije ni cudo sto je Minesota napredna drzava, kad su je osnovali vikinzi.
Nice. :) ;)
Always drink your whiskey with your gun hand, to show your friendly intentions
xrofl
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu) moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku... :evil:
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 04:42:46 PM
...ucestvuju Britanske, Francuske i US trupe. Putin nadgleda.
I onda kazete Obama nije klozet-komunista? :D
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVDpRIQbGRBp3KOFBZ355nxJnuHgD9EGV6S81 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVDpRIQbGRBp3KOFBZ355nxJnuHgD9EGV6S81)
US, British, French troops to march on Red Square
(AP) – 6 days ago
MOSCOW — The British Embassy says British, French and U.S. troops will march with Russian soldiers on Red Square to mark the 65th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.
It said in a statement Thursday that the May 9 parade will include a Royal Air Force band and a detachment of Welsh Guards.
The statement said the parade may mark the first time British troops have marched in Red Square.
The U.S. Embassy confirmed that U.S. soldiers will take part in the parade.
Victory Day is Russia's most important secular holiday. The Kremlin plans a larger parade than usual this year.
Gagi, imas votku za ovaj topik kad se sretnemo na nekom aeromitingu :lol:
Quote from: zagor te nej on March 24, 2010, 05:18:02 PM
E jebiga, pa ne slavi se valjda 9. maja Staljin nego kraj najmonstruoznijeg rezima nametnutog evropi ikad...
lebati? :evil:
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 24, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
Pre pet godina kad, bilo 60 godina iskrcavanja u Normandiji i prvi put u istoriji pozvali i nemacke veterane.
I bila sjajna scena, prilazi deda britanac u britanskoj uniformi nekom mitraljezu protiv avionske odbrane pored koga stoje dvojica deda Nemaca, u civilu. I ovaj Nemac pita ovog Engleza, pokazivajuci prstom u nebo, na engeskom sa teskim nemackim akcentom, "vi ste tamo iskocili iz aviona padobranom, je l' da". Englez mu odgovara "da, tamo". A Nemac mu kaze "ja sam odavde pucao na vas" - pokazujuci na instalirani mitraljez.
Da li zbog akcenta ili zbog neceg drugog, izgledalo je kao da Nemac ima vrlo radostan glas.
Englez mu odgovorio "da, ali mene ste promasili" :)
sweet and sad :lol: :( :lol: :(
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:19:45 AM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu) moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku... :evil:
Ovo sto navodis je za ozbiljniju temu.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 24, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
define anti-american
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php)
8-)
Dzon Vejn kazes, ni manje ni vise :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Quote from: alan ford on March 25, 2010, 01:39:34 PM
pa, pre nekoliko godina sam naisao na zakone vikinga, koji se cesto pominju i koriste u softverskoj industriji ali su primenljivi apsolutno na sve svere zivota. Znam da ne zivim u zemlji vikinga vec kauboja ali mozda i kauboji mogu nesto nekada da nauce.
Be brave and aggressive
Be direct
Grab all opportunities
Use varying methods of attack
Be versatile and agile
Attack one target at a time
Don't plan everything in detail
Use top quality weapons
Be prepared
Keep weapons in good condition
Keep in shape
Find good battle comrades
Agree on important points
Choose one chief
Be a good merchant
Find out what the market needs
Don't promise what you can't keep
Don't demand overpayment
Arrange things so that you can return
Keep the camp in order
Keep things tidy and organised
Arrange enjoyable activities which strengthen the group
Make sure everybody does useful work
Consult all members of the group for advice
alane, ako volis takve stvari, vidi ovo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War)
Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.
And why not?
It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?
:)
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 02:25:06 AM
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:19:45 AM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 24, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)
eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu) moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku... :evil:
Ovo sto navodis je za ozbiljniju temu.
mrzi me....
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 02:33:20 AM
And why not?
It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?
:)
o cemu ti to?
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:32:25 AM
Quote from: alan ford on March 25, 2010, 01:39:34 PM
pa, pre nekoliko godina sam naisao na zakone vikinga, koji se cesto pominju i koriste u softverskoj industriji ali su primenljivi apsolutno na sve svere zivota. Znam da ne zivim u zemlji vikinga vec kauboja ali mozda i kauboji mogu nesto nekada da nauce.
Be brave and aggressive
Be direct
Grab all opportunities
Use varying methods of attack
Be versatile and agile
Attack one target at a time
Don't plan everything in detail
Use top quality weapons
Be prepared
Keep weapons in good condition
Keep in shape
Find good battle comrades
Agree on important points
Choose one chief
Be a good merchant
Find out what the market needs
Don't promise what you can't keep
Don't demand overpayment
Arrange things so that you can return
Keep the camp in order
Keep things tidy and organised
Arrange enjoyable activities which strengthen the group
Make sure everybody does useful work
Consult all members of the group for advice
alane, ako volis takve stvari, vidi ovo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War)
Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.
Cek, da dodam i ja lektiru -
Clausewitz on War
http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/OnWar1873/TOC.htm (http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/OnWar1873/TOC.htm)
ima nekoliko interpretacija, ali za clanove ovog foruma je original dovoljan :lol:
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:33:56 AM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 02:33:20 AM
And why not?
It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?
:)
o cemu ti to?
Ne pratis fabulu teme. Kako smo sa Sovjetske parade dosli na Code of the West?
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:33:56 AM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 02:33:20 AM
And why not?
It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?
:)
o cemu ti to?
Ne pratis fabulu teme. Kako smo sa Sovjetske parade dosli na Code of the West?
ovo je dzezerski topik....sve sama improvizacija....tralala....zato mi se i dopada 8-) 8-) 8-)
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:32:25 AM
Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.
Cuo sam za to ali nisam citao. Pogledacu.
ja sam nedavno naleteo na Merlinov pristup definisanja strategije (carobnjak Merlin), prilicno zanimljiv, a zasniva se na cinjenici da je Merlin ziveo vremenski unazad, tako da je svakog trenutka znao sta ce mu se desavati. Sustina tog pristupa je ne samo da imas viziju toga gde bi da budes vec da se 'postavis' tamo i krenes unazad korak po korak da definises sta sve moras da uradis i da se desi kako bi dosao do sadasnjeg vremena, a onda znajuci sve mozes da zivis unazad.
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:19:45 AM
eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu) moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku... :evil:
drago mi je da ces 'sada' (2014.) i ti moci da se osiguras, jer kao sto sam milion puta rekao smatram da zdravstvena zastita u danasnje vreme ni slucajno ne moze da se smatra privilegijom vec pravom svih ljudi. Pogotovu za razvijen svet poput Amerike.
Quote from: alan ford on March 26, 2010, 02:45:06 AM
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:19:45 AM
eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu) moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku... :evil:
drago mi je da ces 'sada' (2014.) i ti moci da se osiguras, jer kao sto sam milion puta rekao smatram da zdravstvena zastita u danasnje vreme ni slucajno ne moze da se smatra privilegijom vec pravom svih ljudi. Pogotovu za razvijen svet poput Amerike.
Naravno. Inace, ja sam sada osigurana i ususkana samtako (ali ono predstanje nisam zaboravila, niti cu ikad) ... osiguranje sam izgubila u jednom prelaznom periodu i mogu ti reci da je to nesto sto je jako strasno, pogotovo ako je covek ozbiljno bolestan. Ja to nisam (srecom i bar za sada) ali mi se tako sklopilo u tom momentu. I to ne bih nikom pozelela. Ni najgorem neprijatelju. Kako ovde tako i na Balkanu :twisted:
Quote from: alan ford on March 26, 2010, 02:42:15 AM
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:32:25 AM
Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.
Cuo sam za to ali nisam citao. Pogledacu.
ja sam nedavno naleteo na Merlinov pristup definisanja strategije (carobnjak Merlin), prilicno zanimljiv, a zasniva se na cinjenici da je Merlin ziveo vremenski unazad, tako da je svakog trenutka znao sta ce mu se desavati. Sustina tog pristupa je ne samo da imas viziju toga gde bi da budes vec da se 'postavis' tamo i krenes unazad korak po korak da definises sta sve moras da uradis i da se desi kako bi dosao do sadasnjeg vremena, a onda znajuci sve mozes da zivis unazad.
hehe Diznijev Merlin, moj najomiljeniji lik.
A Sun Tze mi se dopao....mudro zbori. Kinezi su opasan narod, neverovatan i mudar....fascinantna civilizacija.
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:59:04 AM
A Sun Tze mi se dopao....mudro zbori. Kinezi su opasan narod, neverovatan i mudar....fascinantna civilizacija.
Bio sam u Kini nekoliko puta. Kada to vidis i dozivis tek onda shvatis kako imaju bogati i zanimljivu istoriju.
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:57:34 AM
Naravno. Inace, ja sam sada osigurana i ususkana samtako (ali ono predstanje nisam zaboravila, niti cu ikad) ... osiguranje sam izgubila u jednom prelaznom periodu i mogu ti reci da je to nesto sto je jako strasno, pogotovo ako je covek ozbiljno bolestan. Ja to nisam (srecom i bar za sada) ali mi se tako sklopilo u tom momentu.
to je ono oko cega se mi ne slazemo ovde jer nekako ispada da svih tih 30m neosiguranih danas su ili lezilebovici koji nece da rade vec bi na drzavne jasle, ili su ilegalci kao da ne postoji ona siva zova koju cine ljudi kojima su se karte u zivotu tako jednog trenutka slozile da su izgubili sve, ili prosto ma sta radili nisu u stanju i poruciti im (i bilo kome) da je zdravstvo privilegija je prvenstveno necivilizovano a onda i sve drugo.
ne znam, niti imam podatke...ali pretpostavljam da su lezilebovici ili ilegalci (ne zaboravi da mnogo, mnogo ilegalaca uredno placa porez) manjina takvih ljudi koji zloupotrebljavaju sistem. S druge strane, jako je mnogo mladih koji zapocinju karijeru i ne mogu finansijski da izdrze placanje zdravstvenog. Koliko sveta radi po mekdonaldsima, volmartima, hemijskim cistionicama i perionicama automobila...i to su ljudi koji rade za minimalne pare i bez beneficija. Oni nemaju sanse da uplacuju sebi zdravstveno. Oni ne mogu da priuste ni najosnovnije potrebe za neki pristojan zivot (o letovanjima, skijanjima i ostalim "normalnim" stvarima da ne govorim).
Moja cerka, koja je advokat (sa ogromnim kreditom za skolu, i u Njujorku gde su troskovi zivota zesci) ozbiljno se dvoumila da li da uzme zdravstveno....mal nisam pala u nesvest i morala sam da joj naredim da ga uplacuje...alo!!!!... i takvih mladih ima miliona.
Znas da je trend da mladi, dvadesetogodisnjaci, sve vise i vise zive kod roditelja jer ne mogu da priuste podstanarske kirije. I za njih je zdravstveno mislena imenica.
A da ne pricamo o starijim ljudima koji su ostali bez posla, u gradjevinskoj industriji, npr. i koji tonu u nepovrat. Odakle njima pare za takav luksuz.
Ilegalci i oni na socijali su samo scapegoats sa kojima se tako lako manipulise i pujda ostali narod da se skrene paznja sa pravih problema. Ne kazem da nema onih koji zloupotrebljavaju sistem, nego da su zanemarljiva brojka u poredjenju sa ostalim, normalnim, vrednim, postenim, casnim, ljudima koji nisu dovoljno bogati da mogu sebi da priuste zdravstveno--iz mase raznoraznih razloga.
ovo gore ne vazi za Kaliforniju, oni su sui generis cini mi se ....o tome ce izvestaj da da zagor... ;)
ja sam prvih nekoliko godina radnog veka svesno izbegavao da placam zdravstveno osiguranje jer je bilo izuzetno skupo a ja racunao da ako sada ne mogu bez kada cu moci.
Komsija je advokat koji ne placa zdravstveno jer mu je preskupo vec za sve sto im treba ugovori kesh dil sa bolnicom. Tako se zena porodila 3 puta svaki put za oko 5k. I to je OK dok god se ne desi nesto neplanirano, ali ako imas svoju praksu, pa joj nisi nasledio biznis od roditelja prvih godina jednostavno nemas da jos i to placas.
Nema sanse da ijedan illegal invader placa porez. Za placanje poreza moras imati SSN (ili tax id#). SSN se ne dobija tako sto posaljes molbu ili formular. U SSA office ides licno i sa svim papirima i imigracionim statusima koje si dobio od federalne vlade. Turista, student i sl. non-immigrant moze dobiti temporary SSN, uz slicnu proceduru.
To sto Jose izmisli ili ukrade neki broj pa onda posalje tax return nije placanje poreza. Missim hvala mu k'o bratu ali on nas to casti a ne "placa porez".
cisto da ne skrenemo sa teme, daragoj maji :evil:
Soviet Victory Parade of 1945 [Part I] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9fqcFijUA#)
Quote from: Hate mail on March 26, 2010, 03:37:03 AM
Nema sanse da ijedan illegal invader placa porez. Za placanje poreza moras imati SSN (ili tax id#). SSN se ne dobija tako sto posaljes molbu ili formular. U SSA office ides licno i sa svim papirima i imigracionim statusima koje si dobio od federalne vlade. Turista, student i sl. non-immigrant moze dobiti temporary SSN, uz slicnu proceduru.
To sto Jose izmisli ili ukrade neki broj pa onda posalje tax return nije placanje poreza. Missim hvala mu k'o bratu ali on nas to casti a ne "placa porez".
dragi moj, ja imam oko sebe masu Srbalja koji su ilegalci i uredno placaju pored vec vise od decenije... sve u nadi da ce, kad dodje do amnestije, i njih da pomiluju (a ja se mislim,
don't hold your breath waiting for the amnesty...al posto ne znaju jezik, lako im se mazu oci....)
Ti tvoji Srbi nas caste. Oni ne placaju porez, oni nas caste.
A ta mesta gde ovi tvoji Srbi rade cine federal offense, fraud.
Quote from: Hate mail on March 26, 2010, 03:55:15 AM
Ti tvoji Srbi nas caste. Oni ne placaju porez, oni nas caste.
:mrgreen:
Bacaju pare. I na "porez" i na accountants.
Federalna vlada ce uzeti novac koji joj neko posalje, naravno, jer je u buli za 12-13 triliona. I ja mog oca sad da zamolim da posalje return odande oni bi ladno to naplatili.
Ali cin slanja tog return-a (plus ono sto eventualno "poslodavac" odvaja sa paystub-a tim jadnim ljudima) "does not confer any status or privilege, and is not a proof thereof".
slazem se sa tobom, ali to njima ne mozes da utuvis u glavu ni na srpskom ni na engleskom :mrgreen:
Quote from: Hate mail on March 26, 2010, 03:55:15 AM
Ti tvoji Srbi nas caste. Oni ne placaju porez, oni nas caste.
A ta mesta gde ovi tvoji Srbi rade cine federal offense, fraud.
kako god ti na to gledao, gomila ilegalaca placa poreze kako bi ako i kada dodje do neke amnestije mogli da pokazu racune da su placali. A kada dodje do amnestije, pa se isti penzionisu imace raznorazne beneficije koje ce se pokrivati delom iz te love koja je 'zavedena' kao poklon federalnoj drzavi.
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:59:04 AM
Kinezi su opasan narod, neverovatan i mudar....fascinantna civilizacija.
Да, и мене су фасцинирали. Пре цирка пет хиљада година су имали папир, компас и барут, и они су од тога направили петарде.
Истовремено су, да би се одбранили од пар стотина дивљака са севера направили зид који се види са Месеца, што свеједно није спречило те дивљаке да им бану у престоницу, убију цара и пет његових конкубина и тако преузму власт све до модерног доба.
Мудро је и што у Пекингу нема птица, пацова, па ни бубашваба - све поједоше.
А ко се одмакне неку улицу подаље од туристичке четврти, видеће кинеске јавне тоалете који се састоје од неке врсте чучавца-вецешоље директно на тротоару, око које нема ничег што би сметало погледима пролазника на друга им у великој нужди.
Значи, не само мудар, већ и непосредан народ.
Сад, кад погледам ово што сам написао о Кинезима и оно где их ти хвалиш, дође ми да размислим и о осталим твојим речима....
Pricao nam sef/CIO koji je bio na sluzbenom putu u Kini.
Nakon nekoliko dana ogladneli, pa trazili neki "zapadni" restoran. Otisli u nesto sto im licilo na KFC, kad tamo drze zive kokoske, da odaberes koju ce da ti spreme, pred tobom. To valjda, zato sto nemaju frizidere?
Ovima apetit naprasno nestao.
a jel ima neka kafanu tu kod tebe, di žive ribe plivaju po bazenu, a ti odbereš koju ćeš jesti?
kad na nešto svikneš, sve što nije ko to sviknuto, deluje ti totalno nenormalno.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 04:51:47 AM
Pricao nam sef/CIO koji je bio na sluzbenom putu u Kini.
Nakon nekoliko dana ogladneli, pa trazili neki "zapadni" restoran. Otisli u nesto sto im licilo na KFC, kad tamo drze zive kokoske, da odaberes koju ce da ti spreme, pred tobom. To valjda, zato sto nemaju frizidere?
Ovima apetit naprasno nestao.
za te sto posle par dana bez hamburgera ogladne vazi ona "sedi di si jer kaki si nisi ni za di si"/
Pre desetak godina sam proveo mesec dana u El Kobaru u Saudijskoj Arabiji. Prvih 4-5 dana kolega i ja smo konstantno jeli po KFC-ju jer se bojao da proba ista drugo. Onda sam rekao da cu ja na svoju stranu a on ako hoce moze sa mnom a ako nece nema veze. I za divno cudo je resio da me prati i posle mesec dana svima se hvalio kako je jeo arapsku hranu.
Quote from: slawen on March 26, 2010, 04:46:00 AM
[...]да би се одбранили од пар стотина дивљака са севера направили зид који се види са Месеца[...]
da li ti je ikada palo na pamet kako nesto siroko 20ak metara moze da se vidi sa meseca?
Quote from: Ivan_D on March 24, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
Pre pet godina kad, bilo 60 godina iskrcavanja u Normandiji i prvi put u istoriji pozvali i nemacke veterane.
I bila sjajna scena, prilazi deda britanac u britanskoj uniformi nekom mitraljezu protiv avionske odbrane pored koga stoje dvojica deda Nemaca, u civilu. I ovaj Nemac pita ovog Engleza, pokazivajuci prstom u nebo, na engeskom sa teskim nemackim akcentom, "vi ste tamo iskocili iz aviona padobranom, je l' da". Englez mu odgovara "da, tamo". A Nemac mu kaze "ja sam odavde pucao na vas" - pokazujuci na instalirani mitraljez.
Da li zbog akcenta ili zbog neceg drugog, izgledalo je kao da Nemac ima vrlo radostan glas.
Englez mu odgovorio "da, ali mene ste promasili" :)
Secas se onog filma
Nocni Portir?
Quote from: slawen on March 26, 2010, 04:46:00 AM
Quote from: amans on March 26, 2010, 02:59:04 AM
Kinezi su opasan narod, neverovatan i mudar....fascinantna civilizacija.
Мудро је и што у Пекингу нема птица, пацова, па ни бубашваба - све поједоше.
А ко се одмакне неку улицу подаље од туристичке четврти, видеће кинеске јавне тоалете који се састоје од неке врсте чучавца-вецешоље директно на тротоару, око које нема ничег што би сметало погледима пролазника на друга им у великој нужди.
Значи, не само мудар, већ и непосредан народ.
Сад, кад погледам ово што сам написао о Кинезима и оно где их ти хвалиш, дође ми да размислим и о осталим твојим речима....
drago mi je da mislis i razmisljas...to je vrlo zgodna aktivnost :twisted:
svinjski papci
beli bubrezi
zivotinjski mozak i dzigerica
vinogradarski puzevi
zmije
kokoskiji lesevi su takodje nekad bile ptice
yum yum yuuuum
ne mogu da zamislim nista, apsolutno nista gore od beogradskog javnog klozeta na zeljeznickoj stanici od pre dvadesetak godina (nije bilo tako davno, a bas mi se ne proverava da vidim koliko su uznapredovali)
sta ko trazi, to i nalazi....
Quotesta ko trazi, to i nalazi....
Ne znam kakva je situacija na zeleznjaku ali ti mogu reci da su WC u svemu shto je novo napravljeno besprekorni ( i lepi i chisti)...npr. stajalishte- odmorishte na auto-putu , novi shoping centri...mogli bi im ovi ovde pozavideti.
Stvarno pre mnogo godina ja sam bila zapanjena chistocom WC na benzinskim pumpama u Shvedskoj, Nemachkoj...da jedesh sa patosa a kad god bismo preshli granicu u Sloveniji chak primetilo bi se po WC-u da smo kod kuce.Kako si ishao juznije bilo je sve tuznije. Ipak se menja danas i Srbija.A da i na ovim novim mestima nema vishe baba sera...chuvenih :x
Quote from: vbo man on March 26, 2010, 02:29:14 PM
mogu reci da su WC u svemu shto je novo napravljeno besprekorni ( i lepi i chisti)...npr. stajalishte- odmorishte na auto-putu
VBO ne preteruj. Pre 4 meseca sam bio na autoputu BG-ZG i na ulazu u Srbiju stali smo na neko odmoriste na kafu i WC koji je bio grozan, prljav i smrdljiv. Jednako je bilo na putu za ZG. Pisao sam kako je kraj puta bilo smeca sve do granice sa HR.
I sta ako delta ili Usce mozda moze da se poredi sa ovdasnjim shoping centrima? To samo znaci da tamo ima dva centra koja su kao vecina ovdasnjih. A gde su ostali? Relativizujes stvari.
Neverovatno cega se ova tema dotakla. Od vojne parade u Moskvi, do cucavca uz autoput. The circle is complete.
QuoteOvima apetit naprasno nestao.
Da, sve je u redu kad neko zakolje pile a ta ti ne vidis, inace je vervarski chin.
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 03:19:42 PM
Neverovatno cega se ova tema dotakla. Od vojne parade u Moskvi, do cucavca uz autoput. The circle is complete.
:!:
Quote from: zagor te nej on March 26, 2010, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 26, 2010, 03:19:42 PM
Neverovatno cega se ova tema dotakla. Od vojne parade u Moskvi, do cucavca uz autoput. The circle is complete.
:!:
:mrgreen:
Ја сам свој посао овде завршио.
ako, ako, dobro si im rekao :twisted:
Цениш?
Alane, ne znam za prema Zagrebu, ja ishla prema Nishu...stali da napunimo benzin i popijemo kafu...Divno odmorishte...sve blista.Naci cu i sliku ( nisam na lap topu sad).
Nisam rekla da je svuda tako...ali krece se...
Sta se krece I gde se krece? Nijedna strukturna reforma nije odradjena ili uopste ili kako treba. Penzioni sistem neodrziv a netaknut. Ni u jednu granu ekonomije nije usresredjena paznja niti je pokusano da se razvije u nesto kompetitivnije od onoga sto imaju barem susedi ako ne neko razvijeniji.
Inftrastruktura uzas, poslednja napravljena pruga je zapusteni Beograd-Bar, stite za unisteni drzavni monopoli bez nade za opstanak preko ledja budzeta kao recimo Jat. Tzv javna preduzeca, skladista nesposobnih a preplacenih partjskih aparatcika niko ne sme ni da takne a ne privatizuje. Kad se nesto proda, proda se ne planski I na tenderu, nego burazerski, ispod cene I u najgorem mogucem trenutku, kao recimo NIS. Jad, beda, sramota, kao da se radi o ekvatorijalnoj gvineji a ne evropskoj drzavi.
tim argumentima "ide na bolje, krece se, videla sam zardinjere sa cvecem po gradu itd." se ne moze suprotstaviti. Jeste ide na bolje, od kamenog doba konstantno ide na bolje, bolje je nego pre 10 godina, svet se pomerio 20 koraka unapred, mi svega 5 tako da smo realno u zaostatku.
Quote from: zagor te nej on March 27, 2010, 07:41:52 PM
Sta se krece I gde se krece? Nijedna strukturna reforma nije odradjena ili uopste ili kako treba. Penzioni sistem neodrziv a netaknut. Ni u jednu granu ekonomije nije usresredjena paznja niti je pokusano da se razvije u nesto kompetitivnije od onoga sto imaju barem susedi ako ne neko razvijeniji.
Inftrastruktura uzas, poslednja napravljena pruga je zapusteni Beograd-Bar, stite za unisteni drzavni monopoli bez nade za opstanak preko ledja budzeta kao recimo Jat. Tzv javna preduzeca, skladista nesposobnih a preplacenih partjskih aparatcika niko ne sme ni da takne a ne privatizuje. Kad se nesto proda, proda se ne planski I na tenderu, nego burazerski, ispod cene I u najgorem mogucem trenutku, kao recimo NIS. Jad, beda, sramota, kao da se radi o ekvatorijalnoj gvineji a ne evropskoj drzavi.
Nemoj da vredjas Ekvatorijalnu Gvineju.
Kako sta krece? Pa krece se ladja francuska.
Iako i sam zapadnem u vatru ponekad, shvatite da se sa tzv. obicnim svetom ne moze full spectrum razgovarati. Tzv. obicni svet egzistira u 2D univerzumu tacaka i linija. Tacka "WC" izgleda sjajno. Linija BG - Nis izgleda sjajno. Sledi: zivot je lep.
Well ok, fine. Keep making sounds, and do be busy exchanging matter and energy with your surroundings.
Negde nakon ubistva Djindjica, ja sam jednostavno izgubio svako intersovanje i konekciju. I simply don't care anymore.
Quote from: vbo man on March 27, 2010, 01:05:53 PM
Alane, ne znam za prema Zagrebu, ja ishla prema Nishu...stali da napunimo benzin i popijemo kafu...Divno odmorishte...sve blista.Naci cu i sliku ( nisam na lap topu sad).
Где тачно?
Хајде баш да видим.
Обећавам да ћу првом приликом када будем ишао до БГ (мин. једном недељно) да свратим ту и фотографишем. Ако је према Нишу, наћи ћу времена и специјално због тога отићи тамо.
Повешћу и два сведока, ако треба, које ти ВБО изабереш.
Само немој сад да ми се вадиш, па се "сетиш" да је у ствари била нека бензинска пумпа, а не стандардни WC србског тзв. аутопута - пластични пољски и (по два или три у групи) у бедноплавоји или прљавобелој боји (у ствари, можда су некад стварно били бели) на којима пише "TOI" са срцем на "и" и који су онако засрани постављени негде у ливаду покрај друма, на сваких педесет километара.
Е, сад, да је и то напредак у односу на стање кад си ти задњи пут чучала поред кола, јесте, али....
Naravno da se radi I O benzinskoj pumpi ali to je chitav kompleks za odmorishte na auto putu Beograd -Nish i chini mi se da nije jedini na tom potezu. A zashto ne Slawene benziska pumpa? Znachi pumpe imaju sad dobre WC-e? Pre nisu imale i ne daj Boze da ti je zatrebalo na pumpi...
Evo slika tog odmorishta kao i slika par stvari kojih nije bilo dok sam ja bila tamo a ni kasnije kad sam navracala.
Evo ga to odmorishte (nisam slikala WC a da sam znala da cete da me propitujete :mrgreen:).Pitacu brata tachno kako se zove mesto na auto putu u chijoj blizini je ovo odmorishte pa cu ti javiti Slawene.
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Vrlo moderna samousluga na Ibarskoj magistrali kod Lazarevca
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Ushce shoping centar
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Quote from: vbo man on March 28, 2010, 07:07:32 AM
Vrlo moderna samousluga na Ibarskoj magistrali kod Lazarevca
DIS market (http://www.dismarket.rs/)
Ja se ceo najezim od miline kad jos negde vidim latinicu po Svrbiji.
A i narod brate okupan, naparfemisan i obuchen kako vi verovatno necete skoro biti s ovom Made in China robom :mrgreen:
O kakvim vi krezavim smrdljivim Srbima prichate :x
Otishli smo totalno sa teme...majstori ste :x
QuoteJa se ceo najezim od miline kad jos negde vidim latinicu po Svrbiji.
Ne samo da je latinica svuda , nego je masa toga i na engleskom...pa zar niste to upravo zeleli? :mrgreen:
Ово су шокови.
Па могла си да дођеш и код мене, да видиш тек какву ја ћенифу имам.... А што имамо одмориште у центру града, не би веровала.
Јел' узимаш ти оне розе бобице?
кад смо на теми ... мало народних умотворина ...
'Nije se Mujo usro jer je ćenifa daleko nego jer je kasno krenuo'.
Quote from: INI on March 28, 2010, 12:28:55 PM
кад смо на теми ... мало народних умотворина ...
'Nije se Mujo usro jer je ćenifa daleko nego jer je kasno krenuo'.
:mrgreen:
Nisam ja pochela prichu o WC-ima... xyxy
Al kad smo kod istih...nek se notira :mrgreen:
У праву су ВБО и Слањен. WC у питању је у комплексима OMV - пумпа, дућан, ресторанчић, ћенифа.
Кад већ кршим свој тао да одговорим 3моторцу:
Обама није комуњара колико глас надилазећег таласа, спроводи феминизацију (pussification) САД због све више чиканоса и евро-педера који траже социјалне програме. Гради Канаду из 1970-их (какве нема након Харпера и авганистанске бојне). Хоће да вас учини мање склоним ратовању, изолационизму, националним интересима и социјал-дарвинизму. Да деамериканизује Америку.
Hvala na pojasnjenju Pareski, sto se mene tice mozes i na drugim temama slobodno da ucestvujes.
Dobar shopping mall, nesto otprilike Liverpool/Blacktown ranga.
Nista mu ne fali (samoposluga je malo prljava, though, kao i igraonica za decu.)
Sta bese point kacenja slika?
QuoteDobar shopping mall, nesto otprilike Liverpool/Blacktown ranga.
Jelenche seresh ko grlica...
Kao prvo u tvom Liverpulu su radnje kao " Myer, Big W and Target "...sve pravljeno u KINI i to je domet ...ako je bolji centar ima i David Jones ( as robom takodje pravljenom u Kini a dizajneri nisu Kinezi ali su potpuno nemashtoviti). U Beogradskim shoping centrima se verovala ti ili ne prodaje Evropska roba pa i Americhka...i izbor i dizajn je daleko shiri. U Beogradu se danas jednostavno NIGDE ne mogu naci ni jedne cipele osim ITALIJANSKIH...a cene su razne...
Sem toga kad sam ja odlazila ovakvih centara i ovakve robe NIJE BILO u Beogradu. TO JE POINT KACHENJA SLIKA.
I josh samo da ti kazem tvome "prefinjenom" oku se samo uchinilo da je ishta prljavo na ovim slikama - sve blista i mirishe.
Samousluga je na samoj Ibarskoj magistrali i mi smo ushli da kupimo BAZEN na naduvavanje (bila vrucina a mi navikli na bazen :mrgreen:). Bilo ih je svih velichina i oblika...na jebenoj Ibarskoj magistrali.U samouslugama je roba iz cele Evrope...ITALIJANSKI PRASHAK KOJIM "KREZUBI SMRDLJIVI " SRBI peru vesh ti Jelenche taj kvalitet ne mozesh da kupish ovde da ga platish suvim zlatom.
Izbor razne robe u Beogradu je mislena imenica za ovo ovde gde mi zivimo...u Beogradu ima svega...mozda jedino fali para dobrom broju ljudi...no nadam se i to ce se popraviti...
blago tebi, vbo...
Zashto blago meni, Amans?
Prljavo kazaliste - Crno bijeli svijet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=891V5nni_Vo&feature=related#)
Nije meni nishta crno- belo Amans.Kod mene je vishe sve onako u sivim tonovima :mrgreen:
To shto volim da primetim svet oko sebe (ovim "okom" jedinim koje imam) ne mislim da je chudno...pa i ovako " negativna" kakva jesam vidim neshto pozitivno u Srbiji, vidim ne mozete da mi oprostite :mrgreen:
Meni se jako dopada Amans shto ti "imash oko" za stvari koje se deshavaju u USI i sklona si da kritikujesh (a ne mislim da ni sluchajno osecash mrznju prema toj zemlji u kojoj zivish , shta vishe vidi se da se osecash dobro tamo).
Ne mogu da razumem zashto neki ovde pljuju ( kritikovanje mi ne bi smetalo) i sa strastvenom mrznjom pominju SVE shto ima veze sa Srbijom. Valjda im jadnima tako lakshe...
E bas sam odavde mogla da dobacim okom da vidim dal je roba ova ili ona. Ajde pogledaj sama slike koje si okacila pa mi kazi dal je roba kineska? Da li se UOPSTE vidi koja je?
Fakat da si bas na to skocila govori interesantne stvari... Zasto se ti palis na kinesku robu? I zasto ti je to toliko bitno?
A italijanske cipele... Da li znas za neke druge cipele, da nisu italijanske a da su dobre? Ima li ih na ovom svetu?
Ono sto se vidi je dumbus u radnji i muljavi playground. Istina, mozda je do kamere.
Takodje se vide stolice kod tih stepenica koje izgledaju bas udobno.
PS. Nego... Opet gledam slike da vidim sta me je podsetilo na Liverpul i Blacktown. Ne znam, taj neki feeling koji ima centar. Ne prodaje se kineska roba ali je centar izgleda kineski dizajn :mrgreen:
ВБО:
1) јел' било на ауто путу или на Ибарској?
2) јел' и базенче било италијанско?
3) зашто побогу не узимаш розе бобице?
Missim stvarno ste nocna mora...Ili ja toliko konfuzno pricham ili ste vas dvoje ... da ne lajem.
Zar nije iz slika i teksta nad njima potpuno jasno da se radi o TRI razlichite lokacije? Odmorishte je na auto-putu Beograd - Nish ; samoposluga je na Ibarskoj magistrali ; Centar Ushce je na Novom Beogradu.
I shta da ti kazem Slawene toliko si duhovit da mi se sve gace tresu od smeha xuzi xdrinka
Molila bih te da te duhovitosti sa tim roze bobicama i sl. usmerish ubuduce ka tim tvojim palanchankama tamo...mozda ce njima biti smeshne.
Light shadows on the wall...
Ah, pa SAD mi je jasno...
Znaci muljavi objektiv je slikao radnju u playground na Ibarskoj? Aaaaaa... Ah, Ibarska, sta drugo da ocekujes, zamulja se objektiv ko nista.
Kineski dizajn centra znaci nije Ibarska, nego SPC USce?
SAD sam ukapirala.
Quote from: vbo man on March 29, 2010, 03:30:31 AM
U Beogradskim shoping centrima se verovala ti ili ne prodaje Evropska roba pa i Americhka...
И на зиду пише...
Него, ВБО, ја сам мислио да је паланка стање духа, па ко рекох да те опоменем на розе бобице. Узми две (тејк ту).
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Quote from: Hate mail on March 26, 2010, 03:55:15 AM
Ti tvoji Srbi nas caste. Oni ne placaju porez, oni nas caste.
Ne znam gde ti dobijas tvoje informacije. Evo par izvora gde ja dobijam svoje: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html)
pa onda: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm)
a da ne kazes da skupljam info samo s "leve" strane, liberala, evo malo i faux news: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84745,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84745,00.html)
a paz ovo: http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1202.html (http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1202.html)
8-)
How 'bout this http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704100604575146002445136066.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704100604575146002445136066.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read)
Procitao sam ti samo prvi URL i on samo potvrdjuje SVE sto sam JA rekao na temu. Hvala im gde znaju i gde ne znaju a sad mrs kuci. :|
Primeti i da se tu ni ne pominje Federal Tax nego samo SS i Medicare.
A ta prica da ce im to trebati kada jednog dana na intervjuu budu, kao, pitani da li su placali porez: BWAHAHAHAHA!
1. Pitanje se odnosi na Federal Tax (a ne SS i Medicare) a ako se USCIS agentu dopadne da pita i za State Tax onda i na to.
2. Vlada ih pita to pitanje SAMO za period kada su bili legalni (tj. za statutory period of 3 ili 5 godina u LPR statusu, zavisno od klase N-400 aplikacije). :mrgreen:
Hate:
"Nema sanse da ijedan illegal invader placa porez. Za placanje poreza moras imati SSN (ili tax id#). SSN se ne dobija tako sto posaljes molbu ili formular. U SSA office ides licno i sa svim papirima i imigracionim statusima koje si dobio od federalne vlade. Turista, student i sl. non-immigrant moze dobiti temporary SSN, uz slicnu proceduru.
To sto Jose izmisli ili ukrade neki broj pa onda posalje tax return nije placanje poreza. Missim hvala mu k'o bratu ali on nas to casti a ne "placa porez".
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Doslovan si do bola.
Daklem:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84745,00.html :
IRS Keeps Tabs on Illegal Immigrant Filers
Tuesday , April 22, 2003
WASHINGTON —
While locating illegal aliens in the United States has become a major homeland security priority since Sept. 11, one federal agency knows where many illegal aliens are, but won't share its information.
The Internal Revenue Service receives millions of tax filings each year from illegal aliens — even helping illegals file their forms by giving them Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers. But under federal law, the IRS (more news | Web) is prohibited from sharing its data with other agencies.
"The internal revenue code really does not differentiate between legal or illegal status," said IRS representative Patricia Kirk.
ITINs are used in place of Social Security numbers on tax returns. One tax preparer said he frequently hands out ITINs to help hundreds of illegals file their returns.
"Not only can they actually file a tax return, but they can actually meet their rights and responsibilities as taxpayers and also enjoy some of the benefits that taxpayers enjoy," said Salvador Gonzalez of the Midwest Tax Clinic. "Some of them get money back. Some of them pay."
Since 1996, the IRS has handed out over 6 million ITINs, and some illegal immigrants hope by using the ITINs to file tax returns, they can show they are deserving of citizenship.
But at least one immigration group charges that the ITINs are merely a way for illegals to skirt the law and try to legitimize living inside the country.
"The federal government should not be doing a single thing to help these illegal aliens remain in the United States. They should be focusing their efforts like a laser beam on finding and deporting illegal aliens," said David Ray of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
While the IRS can't share its information on tax filers with any other governmental agency — including the Department of Homeland Security, which recently took over duties of policing illegal aliens — immigrants continue to enter the country by avoiding the legal channels.
"It is another example of a schizophrenic federal government that hasn't quite decided what it is going to do about illegal immigration," Ray said.
Gonzales said he is pleased that illegal aliens are not only participating in the country's growth, but are being protected according to the laws of the land.
"This is the law. The law says that if you earn income in the United States you are required to pay income tax and you are required to file an income tax return," he said.
While the debate rages, illegal immigrants continue to dump income taxes into the federal coffers. The latest data shows that two years ago, tax filers with ITINs sent the IRS $300 million in taxes.
Fox News' Steve Brown contributed to this report.
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Ja nisam rekla da ce dobiti drzavljanstvo, nego da to placaju porez i nadaju se. Da se podsetimo: "ja imam oko sebe masu Srbalja koji su ilegalci i uredno placaju pored vec vise od decenije... sve u nadi da ce, kad dodje do amnestije, i njih da pomiluju (a ja se mislim, don't hold your breath waiting for the amnesty...al posto ne znaju jezik, lako im se mazu oci....)"
ONI NE "PLACAJU POREZ"! ONI NAS CASTE! READ UP!
Amans, non-immigrant turista je mogao da izvadi SSN ranih 90tih, jer jedino tako je mogao da otvori racun u banci, ili da izvadi DL.
To se od tada promenilo. Mislim da je jos za vreme Clintona promenjeno da za non-imigrante koji otvaraju racun u banci SSN nije bio neophodan, pa je otud i SSN prestao da izdaje. Secam se jednog primera u Chicagu kad jednom sa turist vizom iz istog razloga nisu izdali SSN.
hehe ONI NE "PLACAJU POREZ"! ONI NAS CASTE! READ UP!
read down:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf (http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf)
The Budgetary Effects of Unauthorized Immigrants
In preparing its analysis, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reviewed 29 reports published over the past 15
years that attempted to evaluate the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. (See the bibliography for a complete list of those reports.) CBO did not assess the data underlying
those estimates or the validity of the models used to prepare them. The estimates—whether from formal studies,
analyses of data on particular topics, or less-formal inquiry—show considerable consensus regarding the
overall impact of unauthorized immigrants on state and local budgets.
However, the scope and analytical methods of the studies vary, and the reports do not provide detailed or consistent enough data to allow for a reliable assessment of the aggregate national effect of unauthorized
immigrants on state and local budgets. (See Box 1 for a discussion of the challenges of estimating such an
aggregate effect). After reviewing the estimates, CBO drew the following conclusions:
State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited
options for avoiding or minimizing those costs. All of the estimates that CBO reviewed, regardless of the jurisdiction examined or programs considered, reached this conclusion.
Rules governing many federal programs, as well as decisions handed down by various courts, limit the authority of state and local governments to avoid or constrain the costs of providing services
to unauthorized immigrants. For example, both state and federal courts have ruled that states may not
refuse to provide free public education to a student on the basis of his or her immigration status. Furthermore,
many states have their own statutory or constitutional requirements concerning the provision of certain services to needy residents.
The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents (ONI NAS, A MI NJIH CASTIMO) a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions. The estimates that CBO reviewed measured costs associated with providing services to unauthorized immigrants that ranged from a few million dollars in states with small unauthorized populations to tens of billions of dollars in California (currently the state with the largest population of unauthorized immigrants). Costs were concentrated in programs that make up a large percentage of total state spending—specifically, those associated with education, health care, and law enforcement.11 In most of the estimates that CBO examined, however, spending for unauthorized immigrants accounted for less than 5 percent of total state and local spending for those services. Spending for unauthorized immigrants in ceRtain jurisdictions in California was higher but still represented less than 10 percent of total spending for those services. (SRECOM, NE CASTIMO IH PUNO, LESS THAN 10 PERCENT U KALIFORNIJI PHEWWWWW)
The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants. VAZNO DA ONI NAS CASTE hehe Most of the estimates found that even though unauthorized immigrants pay taxes and other fees to state and local jurisdictions, the resulting revenues offset only a portion of the costs incurred by those jurisdictions for providing services related to education, health care, and law enforcement. Although it is difficult to obtain precise estimates of the net impact ofthe unauthorized population on state and local budgets (see Box 1), that impact is most likely modest.
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Ovaj tekst svasta zanimljivog pise, ali obratila sam paznju na to da imigranti bacaju pare u vetar placanjem poreza. Za sada je tako zato sto ja ne verujem da ce doci do amnestije u blizoj ili daljoj buducnosti. Individualno caste, ali drustvo/drzava ima troskove, tako da ti ilegalni imigranti izvuku svoje pare natrag. Mi njih castimo kao kompletnu populaciju ilegalnog zivlja, ne pojedinacno, tamo neke Pere Petrovice, Jove Jovanovice itd.
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Znamo kako se dobija SSN. Kao i da se to menja. Nije to poenta. Uostalom, ja sam ga dobila tako sto sam iz casopisa Seventeen poslala jedan od onih izvadka (kao kad hoces da se pretplatis na casopis) koji je bio drzavni letak da bi naveo mlade da traze ssn. Ja ga poslala i dobila. Bila sam se iznervirala jer sam pocela da radim u nekom kaficu, a gazda mi dao prvu platu manje nego ostalima jer nisam imala ssn. I ja ne bi lenja nego se pozalila upravi vodovoda i dobila ssn. 8-) Eh, the seventies, good old times 8-)
wow. nice :)
Bilo bi zanimljivo kad bi mogao da se nadje podatak, ako postoji, koja je cifra veca: prihodi od ubranog poreza koji ilegalci uplate ili ukupna suma troskova koje SAD imaju oko ilegalaca. sumnjam da to iko zna.
Sve sto oni po ko zna kom osnovu posalju i iz ko zna kojih razloga - a niko ih ne sprecava da salju sta god hoce: sve se uzima - je CAST. Uleti i muva u usta pa vajdica, sto bi rekao moj otac. Mozda oni MISLE da "placaju porez". Ne mogu oni "placati porez" jer su ovde ilegalno i nemaju odobrenje da rade. Stoga, ne "placaju porez" nego salju neke pare tamo ili ovamo. Ne moze iz ne-prava da sledi pravo.
Idiotska vlada ne radi svoj posao: ne stiti granicu i ne sprovodi sopstvene imigracione zakone.
QuoteKineski dizajn centra
Missim stvarno svashta...ima kineski centar na Novom Beogradu...ni nalik na Ushce.Tebi je iz nekog razloga Kina u glavi :x
Osim toga pravo da ti kazem da se ubedjujem s tobom o tome shta je muzgavo ne pada mi na pamet...zivi brate, sestro u svom svetu koliko ti volja.
Slawene, na palanku u glavi sam i mislila.
Nemam pojma o kakvim bobicama prichash ( mora da je neki lokalni obichaj tamo kod tebe u pitanju) a niti me zanima...generalno nisam josh nishta zanimljivo nashla u onome shto ti kucash ovde. Vidim tebi se ne svidja moje kucanje pa me jednostavno zaobidji...mnogo je lakshe nego da troshimo vreme na budalashtine.Evo ja cu da te bacim na ignore jedno vreme...cenim da nemam shta da izgubim xyxy
Bandwidth hogging...
Quote from: amans on March 29, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
Bilo bi zanimljivo kad bi mogao da se nadje podatak, ako postoji, koja je cifra veca: prihodi od ubranog poreza koji ilegalci uplate ili ukupna suma troskova koje SAD imaju oko ilegalaca. sumnjam da to iko zna.
A sta ce ti to? Za neki trust fund? Refund? Da im obracunamo koliko jos duguju? Cost & benefit analysis? Da vidimo posto otkup grehova?
Quote from: vbo man
Tebi je iz nekog razloga Kina u glavi :x
Meni? Sto meni?! xdrinka
Quote from: Hate mail on March 29, 2010, 11:57:43 PM
Sve sto oni po ko zna kom osnovu posalju i iz ko zna kojih razloga - a niko ih ne sprecava da salju sta god hoce: sve se uzima - je CAST. Uleti i muva u usta pa vajdica, sto bi rekao moj otac. Mozda oni MISLE da "placaju porez". Ne mogu oni "placati porez" jer su ovde ilegalno i nemaju odobrenje da rade. Stoga, ne "placaju porez" nego salju neke pare tamo ili ovamo. Ne moze iz ne-prava da sledi pravo.
Idiotska vlada ne radi svoj posao: ne stiti granicu i ne sprovodi sopstvene imigracione zakone.
slazem se....
dobar ti cale :)
hahaha koji topik....otkida..... Kolaricu Panicu - uvodna spica i odjava (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7qVnJm5Bdo#)
:mrgreen:
Quote from: Tromotorac on March 30, 2010, 02:53:53 AM
Quote from: amans on March 29, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
Bilo bi zanimljivo kad bi mogao da se nadje podatak, ako postoji, koja je cifra veca: prihodi od ubranog poreza koji ilegalci uplate ili ukupna suma troskova koje SAD imaju oko ilegalaca. sumnjam da to iko zna.
A sta ce ti to? Za neki trust fund? Refund? Da im obracunamo koliko jos duguju? Cost & benefit analysis? Da vidimo posto otkup grehova?
larpurlartizam :lol:
Ah :)
Quote from: amans on March 30, 2010, 03:42:58 AM
hahaha koji topik....otkida.....
Дакако!
Чак и ВБО на овом топику решила да ме игнорише.
Авај, горка судбо!
Quote from: slawen on March 29, 2010, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: vbo man on March 29, 2010, 03:30:31 AM
U Beogradskim shoping centrima se verovala ti ili ne prodaje Evropska roba pa i Americhka...
И на зиду пише...
Него, ВБО, ја сам мислио да је паланка стање духа, па ко рекох да те опоменем на розе бобице. Узми две (тејк ту).
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rohEkuHhgJ0/0.jpg)
Мој пријатељ Сале.
Не иде да га оговарам.