Vojna parada u Moskvi

[slawen]

ВБО:
1) јел' било на ауто путу или на Ибарској?
2) јел' и базенче било италијанско?
3) зашто побогу не узимаш розе бобице?

[vbo man]

Missim stvarno ste nocna mora...Ili ja toliko konfuzno pricham ili ste vas dvoje ... da ne lajem.
Zar nije iz slika i teksta nad njima potpuno jasno da se radi o TRI razlichite lokacije? Odmorishte je na auto-putu Beograd - Nish ; samoposluga je na Ibarskoj magistrali ; Centar Ushce je na Novom Beogradu.
I shta da ti kazem Slawene toliko si duhovit da mi se sve gace tresu od smeha xuzi xdrinka
Molila bih te da te duhovitosti sa tim roze bobicama i sl. usmerish ubuduce ka tim tvojim palanchankama tamo...mozda ce njima biti smeshne.

[Hate mail]

Light shadows on the wall...

[Jelence]

Ah, pa SAD mi je jasno...
Znaci muljavi objektiv je slikao radnju u playground na Ibarskoj? Aaaaaa... Ah, Ibarska, sta drugo da ocekujes, zamulja se objektiv ko nista.

Kineski dizajn centra znaci nije Ibarska, nego SPC USce?

SAD sam ukapirala.

[slawen]

U Beogradskim shoping centrima se verovala ti ili ne prodaje Evropska roba pa i Americhka...

И на зиду пише...

Него, ВБО, ја сам мислио да је паланка стање духа, па ко рекох да те опоменем на розе бобице. Узми две (тејк ту).

[amans]

 :mrgreen:

[amans]

Ti tvoji Srbi nas caste. Oni ne placaju porez, oni nas caste.

Ne znam gde ti dobijas tvoje informacije. Evo par izvora gde ja dobijam svoje:  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html

pa onda: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm

a da ne kazes da skupljam info samo s "leve" strane, liberala, evo malo i faux news:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84745,00.html

a paz ovo: http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1202.html  

8-)

[Tromotorac]

How 'bout this http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704100604575146002445136066.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

[Hate mail]

Procitao sam ti samo prvi URL i on samo potvrdjuje SVE sto sam JA rekao na temu. Hvala im gde znaju i gde ne znaju a sad mrs kuci.  :|

Primeti i da se tu ni ne pominje Federal Tax nego samo SS i Medicare.

[Hate mail]

A ta prica da ce im to trebati kada jednog dana na intervjuu budu, kao, pitani da li su placali porez: BWAHAHAHAHA!

1. Pitanje se odnosi na Federal Tax (a ne SS i Medicare) a ako se USCIS agentu dopadne da pita i za State Tax onda i na to.

2. Vlada ih pita to pitanje SAMO za period kada su bili legalni (tj. za statutory period of 3 ili 5 godina u LPR statusu, zavisno od klase N-400 aplikacije).  :mrgreen:

[amans]

Hate:

"Nema sanse da ijedan illegal invader placa porez. Za placanje poreza moras imati SSN (ili tax id#). SSN se ne dobija tako sto posaljes molbu ili formular. U SSA office ides licno i sa svim papirima i imigracionim statusima koje si dobio od federalne vlade. Turista, student i sl. non-immigrant moze dobiti temporary SSN, uz slicnu proceduru.

To sto Jose izmisli ili ukrade neki broj pa onda posalje tax return nije placanje poreza. Missim hvala mu k'o bratu ali on nas to casti a ne "placa porez".  
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Doslovan si do bola.

Daklem:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84745,00.html :

IRS Keeps Tabs on Illegal Immigrant Filers

Tuesday , April 22, 2003


WASHINGTON —
While locating illegal aliens in the United States has become a major homeland security priority since Sept. 11, one federal agency knows where many illegal aliens are, but won't share its information.

The Internal Revenue Service receives millions of tax filings each year from illegal aliens — even helping illegals file their forms by giving them Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers. But under federal law, the IRS (more news | Web) is prohibited from sharing its data with other agencies.

"The internal revenue code really does not differentiate between legal or illegal status," said IRS representative Patricia Kirk.

ITINs are used in place of Social Security numbers on tax returns. One tax preparer said he frequently hands out ITINs to help hundreds of illegals file their returns.

"Not only can they actually file a tax return, but they can actually meet their rights and responsibilities as taxpayers and also enjoy some of the benefits that taxpayers enjoy," said Salvador Gonzalez of the Midwest Tax Clinic. "Some of them get money back. Some of them pay."

Since 1996, the IRS has handed out over 6 million ITINs, and some illegal immigrants hope by using the ITINs to file tax returns, they can show they are deserving of citizenship.

But at least one immigration group charges that the ITINs are merely a way for illegals to skirt the law and try to legitimize living inside the country.

"The federal government should not be doing a single thing to help these illegal aliens remain in the United States. They should be focusing their efforts like a laser beam on finding and deporting illegal aliens," said David Ray of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

While the IRS can't share its information on tax filers with any other governmental agency — including the Department of Homeland Security, which recently took over duties of policing illegal aliens — immigrants continue to enter the country by avoiding the legal channels.

"It is another example of a schizophrenic federal government that hasn't quite decided what it is going to do about illegal immigration," Ray said.

Gonzales said he is pleased that illegal aliens are not only participating in the country's growth, but are being protected according to the laws of the land.

"This is the law. The law says that if you earn income in the United States you are required to pay income tax and you are required to file an income tax return," he said.

While the debate rages, illegal immigrants continue to dump income taxes into the federal coffers. The latest data shows that two years ago, tax filers with ITINs sent the IRS $300 million in taxes.

Fox News' Steve Brown contributed to this report.

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Ja nisam rekla da ce dobiti drzavljanstvo, nego da to placaju porez i nadaju se. Da se podsetimo: "ja imam oko sebe masu Srbalja koji su ilegalci i uredno placaju pored vec vise od decenije... sve u nadi da ce, kad dodje do amnestije, i njih da pomiluju (a ja se mislim, don't hold your breath waiting for the amnesty...al posto ne znaju jezik, lako im se mazu oci....)"

[Hate mail]

ONI NE "PLACAJU POREZ"! ONI NAS CASTE! READ UP!

[Tromotorac]

Amans, non-immigrant turista je mogao da izvadi SSN ranih 90tih, jer jedino tako je mogao da otvori racun u banci, ili da izvadi DL.

To se od tada promenilo. Mislim da je jos za vreme Clintona promenjeno da za non-imigrante koji otvaraju racun u banci SSN nije bio neophodan, pa je otud i SSN prestao da izdaje. Secam se jednog primera u Chicagu kad jednom sa turist vizom iz istog razloga nisu izdali SSN.

[amans]

hehe ONI NE "PLACAJU POREZ"! ONI NAS CASTE! READ UP!

read down:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf

The Budgetary Effects of Unauthorized Immigrants

In preparing its analysis, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reviewed 29 reports published over the past 15
years that attempted to evaluate the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. (See the bibliography for a complete list of those reports.) CBO did not assess the data underlying
those estimates or the validity of the models used to prepare them. The estimates—whether from formal studies,
analyses of data on particular topics, or less-formal inquiry—show considerable consensus regarding the
overall impact of unauthorized immigrants on state and local budgets.

However, the scope and analytical methods of the studies vary, and the reports do not provide detailed or consistent enough data to allow for a reliable assessment of the aggregate national effect of unauthorized
immigrants on state and local budgets. (See Box 1 for a discussion of the challenges of estimating such an
aggregate effect). After reviewing the estimates, CBO drew the following conclusions:

State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited
options for avoiding or minimizing those costs. All of the estimates that CBO reviewed, regardless of the jurisdiction examined or programs considered, reached this conclusion.

Rules governing many federal programs, as well as decisions handed down by various courts, limit the authority of state and local governments to avoid or constrain the costs of providing services
to unauthorized immigrants. For example, both state and federal courts have ruled that states may not
refuse to provide free public education to a student on the basis of his or her immigration status. Furthermore,
many states have their own statutory or constitutional requirements concerning the provision of certain services to needy residents.

The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents (ONI NAS, A MI NJIH CASTIMO) a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions. The estimates that CBO reviewed measured costs associated with providing services to unauthorized immigrants that ranged from a few million dollars in states with small unauthorized populations to tens of billions of dollars in California (currently the state with the largest population of unauthorized immigrants). Costs were concentrated in programs that make up a large percentage of total state spending—specifically, those associated with education, health care, and law enforcement.11 In most of the estimates that CBO examined, however, spending for unauthorized immigrants accounted for less than 5 percent of total state and local spending for those services. Spending for unauthorized immigrants in ceRtain jurisdictions in California was higher but still represented less than 10 percent of total spending for those services. (SRECOM, NE CASTIMO IH PUNO, LESS THAN 10 PERCENT U KALIFORNIJI PHEWWWWW)

The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants. VAZNO DA ONI NAS CASTE hehe  Most of the estimates found that even though unauthorized immigrants pay taxes and other fees to state and local jurisdictions, the resulting revenues offset only a portion of the costs incurred by those jurisdictions for providing services related to education, health care, and law enforcement. Although it is difficult to obtain precise estimates of the net impact ofthe unauthorized population on state and local budgets (see Box 1), that impact is most likely modest.

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Ovaj tekst svasta zanimljivog pise, ali obratila sam paznju na to da imigranti bacaju pare u vetar placanjem poreza. Za sada je tako zato sto ja ne verujem da ce doci do amnestije u blizoj ili daljoj buducnosti. Individualno caste, ali drustvo/drzava ima troskove, tako da ti ilegalni imigranti izvuku svoje pare natrag. Mi njih castimo kao kompletnu populaciju ilegalnog zivlja, ne pojedinacno, tamo neke Pere Petrovice, Jove Jovanovice itd.

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Znamo kako se dobija SSN. Kao i da se to menja. Nije to poenta. Uostalom, ja sam ga dobila tako sto sam iz casopisa Seventeen poslala jedan od onih izvadka (kao kad hoces da se pretplatis na casopis) koji je bio drzavni letak da bi naveo mlade da traze ssn. Ja ga poslala i dobila. Bila sam se iznervirala jer sam pocela da radim u nekom kaficu, a gazda mi dao prvu platu manje nego ostalima jer nisam imala ssn. I ja ne bi lenja nego se pozalila upravi vodovoda i dobila ssn.  8-)   Eh, the seventies, good old times 8-)

[Tromotorac]

wow. nice :)

[amans]

Bilo bi zanimljivo kad bi mogao da se nadje podatak, ako postoji, koja je cifra veca: prihodi od ubranog poreza koji ilegalci uplate ili ukupna suma troskova koje SAD imaju oko ilegalaca. sumnjam da to iko zna.

[Hate mail]

Sve sto oni po ko zna kom osnovu posalju i iz ko zna kojih razloga - a niko ih ne sprecava da salju sta god hoce: sve se uzima - je CAST. Uleti i muva u usta pa vajdica, sto bi rekao moj otac. Mozda oni MISLE da "placaju porez". Ne mogu oni "placati porez" jer su ovde ilegalno i nemaju odobrenje da rade. Stoga, ne "placaju porez" nego salju neke pare tamo ili ovamo. Ne moze iz ne-prava da sledi pravo.

Idiotska vlada ne radi svoj posao: ne stiti granicu i ne sprovodi sopstvene imigracione zakone.

[vbo man]

Kineski dizajn centra

Missim stvarno svashta...ima kineski centar na Novom Beogradu...ni nalik na Ushce.Tebi je iz nekog razloga Kina u glavi :x
Osim toga pravo da ti kazem da se ubedjujem s tobom o tome shta je muzgavo ne pada mi na pamet...zivi brate, sestro u svom svetu koliko ti volja.
Slawene, na palanku u glavi sam i mislila.
Nemam pojma o kakvim bobicama prichash ( mora da je neki lokalni obichaj tamo kod tebe u pitanju) a niti me zanima...generalno nisam josh nishta zanimljivo nashla u onome shto ti kucash ovde. Vidim tebi se ne svidja moje kucanje pa me jednostavno zaobidji...mnogo je lakshe nego da troshimo vreme na budalashtine.Evo ja cu da te bacim na ignore jedno vreme...cenim da nemam shta da izgubim xyxy

[Hate mail]

Bandwidth hogging...

[Tromotorac]

Bilo bi zanimljivo kad bi mogao da se nadje podatak, ako postoji, koja je cifra veca: prihodi od ubranog poreza koji ilegalci uplate ili ukupna suma troskova koje SAD imaju oko ilegalaca. sumnjam da to iko zna.

A sta ce ti to? Za neki trust fund? Refund? Da im obracunamo koliko jos duguju?  Cost & benefit analysis? Da vidimo posto otkup grehova?

[Jelence]

Tebi je iz nekog razloga Kina u glavi :x

Meni? Sto meni?!  xdrinka

[amans]

Sve sto oni po ko zna kom osnovu posalju i iz ko zna kojih razloga - a niko ih ne sprecava da salju sta god hoce: sve se uzima - je CAST. Uleti i muva u usta pa vajdica, sto bi rekao moj otac. Mozda oni MISLE da "placaju porez". Ne mogu oni "placati porez" jer su ovde ilegalno i nemaju odobrenje da rade. Stoga, ne "placaju porez" nego salju neke pare tamo ili ovamo. Ne moze iz ne-prava da sledi pravo.

Idiotska vlada ne radi svoj posao: ne stiti granicu i ne sprovodi sopstvene imigracione zakone.

slazem se....

dobar ti cale  :)

hahaha koji topik....otkida..... Kolaricu Panicu - uvodna spica i odjava

:mrgreen:

[amans]

Bilo bi zanimljivo kad bi mogao da se nadje podatak, ako postoji, koja je cifra veca: prihodi od ubranog poreza koji ilegalci uplate ili ukupna suma troskova koje SAD imaju oko ilegalaca. sumnjam da to iko zna.

A sta ce ti to? Za neki trust fund? Refund? Da im obracunamo koliko jos duguju?  Cost & benefit analysis? Da vidimo posto otkup grehova?

larpurlartizam  :lol:

[Tromotorac]

Ah :)

[slawen]

hahaha koji topik....otkida.....

Дакако!
Чак и ВБО на овом топику решила да ме игнорише.

Авај, горка судбо!

[Pareski do]

U Beogradskim shoping centrima se verovala ti ili ne prodaje Evropska roba pa i Americhka...

И на зиду пише...

Него, ВБО, ја сам мислио да је паланка стање духа, па ко рекох да те опоменем на розе бобице. Узми две (тејк ту).

[slawen]

Мој пријатељ Сале.
Не иде да га оговарам.