Dry run

[Tromotorac]

Dok sam radio u avio-kompaniji citao sam quarterly report with incident samples; flight diversions, sick passangers, strange passangers and security precautions se dogadjaju cesce nego sto se cini. Pa ipak, ovaj slucaj deluje po malo cudno. Mozda je u pitanju nesporazum, mozda je future-lawsuit-shakedown u pitanju (po ugledo na Minneapolos flying immams), a moguce da je i terrorist dry-run...

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/DC-Flight-Diverted-to-OHare.html?dr

[AFord]

ni dve nedelje posle 9/11 sam isao negde, ne secam se gde, i u avionu do mene sedi neki arapin sa onom kapicom i povecom bradom. Citav let se nesto meskoljio i uopste nervozno delovao. A onda negde na sred leta ustade i krene da nas sve iz okoline nudi nekim orasima/bademima. Svi smo odmahivali glavama, kao nismo gladni a ja sam pomislio gde bas ja do ove dileje da sednem jos treba neki krkljanac da ispadne...

[Ivan_D]

U Holandiji isto posle 9/11 isla vozom 2 lika koji odgovaraju Middle Eastern profilu i ponesto se cudno ponasali, saputali, par puta skidali torbe, otvarali ih, stavljali opet gore itd.
Nesto zbog cega verovatno neko lokalnog izgleda ne bi ni privlacio paznju ostalih.
Medjutim oni su izgledali tako kako su izgledali, neko pozvao policiju koja ih je skinula sa voza, odvela u stanicu pretresla, legitimisala, izvinula im se i vratila ih na voz.

Nepravda? NE!!! Koleterarne, neduzne zrtve svetskih zbivanja? NE!!!
Dve obicne budale!!! Ako znas da ostali imaju odredjenu percepciju o tebi, onda se, ako vec neces da se obrijes i uljudis, makar ponasas neupadljivo a ne na nacin na koji mozes da pretpostavis da ce kod drugih (i to jos kod domacina) izazvati nelagodnost.

[Tromotorac]

Ja volim da fotografisem iz aviona, i to sam oduvek radio. Jednom, cca 1995, sam sa prvom generacijom digitalnih kamera (one Sony sto su imale flopy disk) slikao kroz prozor kad mi je stijurdesa rekla da iskljucim pred sletanje. Svejedno, i dalje to radim.

E sad, da li bih ja slikao da sam recimo u Aeroflotovom, Interflug ili North Korean Airlines? Ne bih. Kao sto ne bih slikao tamo po aerodromima gde je znak zabranjene fotografije. Ponasas se po lokalnim normama.

Zasto se neki arapi/people of middle eastern descent/ ponasaju provokativno u avionima, kad znaju da su pod vecom lupom nije mi jasno... osim da je u pitanju lawsuit shakedown ili dry run.

[Ivan_D]

Neke Holandjane osudili zbog fotografisanja aviona u Grckoj. Pola godine trebalo holandskoj diplomatiji da ih oslobodi. A bilo ocigledno da su ljudi zaljubljenici aviona.

Inace sasvim si u pravu, ne vaze ista pravila na svim mestima niti za sve ljude.
Ja jednom leteo AeroSvetom (UA kompanija), smracilo se, a ja gledao kroz prozor leteli smo preko nekog grada. Stjuardesa se nagla preko mene i spustila mi onu kao roletnu preko prozora. Ja sad nisam znao da li je to neko interno pravilo, nije mi izgledalo logicno, ali sta ja znam. I pitam je ja a ona mi odbrusi "sta imas da gledas kroz prozor kad je noc i svi spavaju".

Inace, zakuni se da si imao digitalnu kameru 95? impressive. Ja sam prvu imao 2001 valjda, a prvu sam video negde 98, cini mi se da je imala 100kpix.

[AFord]

Zasto se neki arapi/people of middle eastern descent/ ponasaju provokativno u avionima, kad znaju da su pod vecom lupom nije mi jasno... osim da je u pitanju lawsuit shakedown ili dry run.

mislim da je ovo sustinsko pitanje. U zavisnosti od toga kako se postavis ti u najvecoj meri zavisi da li ces i koliko uspeti u novoj sredini. Ovde nema zakona da iko mora na ikoji nacin da se adaptira novoj sredini. Licno sam upoznao ljude koji zive u USA decenijama a ne znaju engleski, zive po balkanskim getoima rade nikakve poslove. Slicno je i sa mnogim meksikancima kojih ima tusta i tma, a njima je i lakse jer polovina stanovnistva prica spanski pa cak nemaju ni to malo potrebe da se asimiluju.
Tako i arapi zabradjeni odeveni u one njihove haljine...ili prekrivenih glava kod zena.
I onda se pitaju svi oni zasto ne dobijaju bolje placene poslove, zasto ih zaustavljaju po ulici, zasto ih drustvo marginalizuje, zasto ih se gleda ispod oka...

[Tromotorac]

Ivane,

bice da si u pravu, nije bila '95. nego oko '97. Isto kamera nije bila moja, nego firmina (tadasnji sef je bio early adopter, sve novo je kupovao za tim), ali sam je koristio kao svoju imovinu - gde god sam isao nosio je kao svoju, cak i u Budimpestu :)

'95 sam i dalje slikao 35mm idiotom.

[Hate mail]

Ta Budimpesta je tako snazno hrupila u nase zivote...

[Ivan_D]

postoje bolji i lepsi gradovi, ali ja sam se tamo uvek osecao kao kod kuce.

[Tromotorac]

Ta Budimpesta je tako snazno hrupila u nase zivote...

As it should have always been  ;)

[Tromotorac]

Zasto se neki arapi/people of middle eastern descent/ ponasaju provokativno u avionima, kad znaju da su pod vecom lupom nije mi jasno... osim da je u pitanju lawsuit shakedown ili dry run.

mislim da je ovo sustinsko pitanje. U zavisnosti od toga kako se postavis ti u najvecoj meri zavisi da li ces i koliko uspeti u novoj sredini. Ovde nema zakona da iko mora na ikoji nacin da se adaptira novoj sredini. Licno sam upoznao ljude koji zive u USA decenijama a ne znaju engleski, zive po balkanskim getoima rade nikakve poslove. Slicno je i sa mnogim meksikancima kojih ima tusta i tma, a njima je i lakse jer polovina stanovnistva prica spanski pa cak nemaju ni to malo potrebe da se asimiluju.
Tako i arapi zabradjeni odeveni u one njihove haljine...ili prekrivenih glava kod zena.
I onda se pitaju svi oni zasto ne dobijaju bolje placene poslove, zasto ih zaustavljaju po ulici, zasto ih drustvo marginalizuje, zasto ih se gleda ispod oka...

To ti je kao pitanje slobodnog govora. Nije zabranjeno da se lupaju gluposti, ali nije sve pametno uraditi sto je dozvoljeno (hajde objasni to serbiancafe bolidima, good luck).

Ako im nije zabranjeno da nose camije, brade i da se mole naglas, to ne znaci da je pametna ideja da to rade na 35,000ft. Meni je samo muka od PC police koja okrece glavu na drugu stranu od stvari koje su ocigledno zrele za red flag. Npr. kad se Army Major psiholog Abu Nidal Hasan predstavlja na biznis karticama kao "Soldier of Allah" to bi trebalo nekom da bude dovoljan razlog da ga privedu na "informativni razgovor". Ili ako se u toku leta svadjas sa kabinskim osoboljem, budi od zlata, zasluzujes da budes izgazen...

[AFord]

postoje bolji i lepsi gradovi, ali ja sam se tamo uvek osecao kao kod kuce.

meni je Budimpesta u posebnom secanju jer sam tamo isao da polazem TOEFL, odatle sam poleteo put Amerike, tu sam se prvih par puta i vracao.

[Pijanista]

I ja sam preko Budimpeste otisao. Kaznio im avion za Amsterdam 2 sata. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
A secam se i gomile aviona koji su rulali onako pored, nista se ne cuje kroz aerodromska stakla, jedino motori negod IL-62 kako zvizhde.

[Tromotorac]

http://www.10news.com/news/27377448/detail.html

Alert Issued After Security Incident On Camp Pendleton
3 Middle Eastern Men Tried To Enter Base Without Proper Authorization, Base Alert Says

POSTED: 4:36 pm PDT March 30, 2011
UPDATED: 11:31 pm PDT March 30, 2011

SAN DIEGO -- One of the nation's largest military bases is reportedly under tighter security after three Middle Eastern men tried to enter without proper authorization.

10News learned the three men -- 40-year-old Afghani Ahmad Rahmani Naeem, 41-year-old Iranian Vahik Petrossian and 27-year-old Iranian Sengekdi Norvik Avanosian -- attempted to get into Camp Pendleton last weekend under what was considered suspicious circumstances.

On Wednesday, base officials said there was no threat, but others on the base told 10News security has been stepped up.


According to a Be On the Lookout (BOLO) alert issued to high-ranking Camp Pendleton officials, someone reported hearing hateful comments and terrorist threats from three men at a gas station in Oceanside Saturday.

Investigators at Camp Pendleton said the men asked the attendant for directions on how to get to Camp Pendleton before they left the gas station.

According to the alert, shortly after midnight Sunday, a rented silver Toyota Corolla driven by Naeem attempted to enter Camp Pendleton through the main gate. As it was being searched, Petrossian and Avanosian drove up in a black Mercedes, but were told to wait. Instead, they continued past the gate and onto the base. Following a short pursuit, the Mercedes was stopped and searched.

No weapons or contraband were found in the Mercedes, but base security noticed the air bag in the steering wheel of the Mercedes had been pulled out and re-attached with duct tape and had wires hanging free, the alert said.


According to the alert, Naaem told base security he was lost and was trying to go to Glendale. When interviewed, Petrossian and Avanosian said they were lost and trying to go to Glendale. The three men claimed not to know each other, the alert said.

Naaem, Petrossian and Avanosian were photographed and released after questioning, and a warning about the trio was posted to law enforcement.

However, later that morning about 8:30 a.m., Naeem returned in the Toyota and tried to get on the base again, saying he made a mistake and was trying to enter Interstate 5, the alert said. After his vehicle was searched, Naeem was issued a letter of debarment from the base and escorted to the freeway.

Since the incident, 10News learned high-ranking Camp Pendleton officials have notified other military bases and law enforcement of a potential threat.

According to a local security expert, that comes with good reason.

"I think after 9/11, anybody on any government facility should be worried," local expert John told 10News.

John, who does undercover security and anti-terrorism work for Eagle Eye Security Solutions, did not want to be identified.

He told 10News the Camp Pendleton incident sounds like a possible probe or dry run and said their visits raise a few red flags.

"Number one: they went on base twice. Their stories didn't stick, kinda wishy washy. Number two: the vehicle, the condition of the vehicle," said John. "They could have been probing the security, not just cameras, sensors, individual security from MPs. Three: [they] could have wanted to know what background checks would have produced."

Amanda Sumner, who lives on the base, said the alert was very concerning for her.
"My family lives there and I know it's very easy access to get on base at the front gate... All you have to have is a driver's license that isn't suspended," she said.
A criminal background check on the trio conducted by the Department of Homeland Security found no "derogatory records" for the men. Additionally, the U.S. Border Patrol said the immigration statuses for the three men were confirmed and they did not appear on any terrorist watch databases.

[Mirabella]

40-year-old Afghani Ahmad Rahmani Naeem, 41-year-old Iranian Vahik Petrossian and 27-year-old Iranian Sengekdi Norvik Avanosian.

Ova potonja dvojica su jermenskog porekla, verovatno jermenska manjina u Iranu.  Al' da su glupi, glupi su.

[Hate mail]

Sad bas htedoh...