Kina na Balkanu...i u Srbiji

[vbo man]

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5315134,00.html

Last year, Presidents Hu Jintao of China and Boris Tadic of Serbia cemented their bilateral relations and traditional friendship with a strategic partnership. Besides reaffirming their mutual respect for one another's sovereignty and territorial integrity, pledging broader, stronger and deeper ties, the two republics firmly stated their aim to promote economic cooperation and trade.
...A few months down the line the Export Import Bank of China (China Eximbank) has granted Belgrade a billion euro ($1.3 billion) loan to upgrade two power plants and build a much-needed bridge over the beautiful blue Danube.
...An official from the cabinet of Serbia's National Investment Plan (NIP), who preferred not to be named, told Deutsche Welle that continued Chinese presence in the region hinges on the success of the bridge scheme.

"There are a lot of projects we would like the Chinese to do," he said. "But they want to see how it turns out first."
..."The Chinese are in Slovenia, in Macedonia, they're exporting buses to Skopje, they're talking to Croatia about transport facilities, harbors, airports, railway connections," he said "and they've been talking to the Greeks about leasing possibilities in Athens harbor."
...Dusan Reljic agrees, but says taking the direct route to greater EU presence would be more costly for China than investing in territories poised to join within the next 10 to 15 years. "It's cheaper to buy assets there [southern-eastern Europe] than within the present European Union," the expert said.

A cheap ride for China, but what's in it for the conduit countries like Serbia? "A good deal," says Reljic. With very little direct foreign investment coming into the region, tight government budgets and unemployment rates on the rise again, he says Balkan states need and welcome China's money, which comes with grace periods, generously low interest rates and very few strings attached.

"The Chinese do not attach economic or political conditions to their loans," Reljic said. "In a way, cheap Chinese money is an alternative to commercially expensive Western money or politically expensive money from the International Monetary Fund or the World Bank."
..."This increased presence is also a signal to the US and the West that China is no longer a peripheral world power, but it is the world power and it is engaging in all political developments throughout the world with its own agenda."

Graffiti reading Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  "Kosovo is Serbia" graffiti is testimony to Kosovo's disputed independence

An example of that agenda is Beijing's vehement opposition to Kosovo's independence. China recently spoke out against Kosovo's split from Serbia at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.

..."If countries say yes to everything, they have the complication of becoming a tributary state of China."

But the NIP official told Deutsche Welle such problems would not arise between Belgrade and Beijing. "According to domestic law, we are obliged to hire third-party supervision," he said. "The Chinese will not be given free reign to do whatever they want, no matter who they are dealing with."

[vbo man]

Javite kad osetite te Kineske pare...ako ih osetite...missim ako bratija ne pokupi pre nego se ikakav most i pomoli. Samo nema zezanja sa Kinezima.Rekli su vam " zajebi me jednom i ...dvojka si...a para imaju ko shashe. Nadam se da ce bar to shvatiti razbojnici u Srbiji...

[vbo man]

Moji Evropljani se zabrinuli zbog prodora Kine u Srbiju ( nisu chitali ceo tekst pa da vide da prodiru i u Sloveniju, Hrvatsku, Makedoniju a i Grchku. Pita me jedan hoce li Srbija biti Kini ono shto je UK Americi :mrgreen:

[vbo man]

Bojim se kako ce se provedu Kinezi u Srbiji...ne rachunam one lokalne Kineze ( Mirine :mrgreen:)...

[alan ford]

znas sta je ovde komicno? To sto lik koji je ovo napisao i okacio u izlog svoje radnje skoro 100% svoju robu kupuje kod kineza i skoro 100% cenu te robe utrostrucava i sada ga jebe to sto su kinezi spremni da prodaju tu istu rubu za manje para sto ovom ne odgovara...
Sledeci put kada odesu BG svrati do Bloka 70- Kineskog trznog centra - i po tramvajskim i autobuskim stanicama ces videti neku svetinu koja za dvostruko vise para prodaje ono sto su kupili od kineza u centru. Dok god ima ko to da kupi (ljudi koji nece da ulaze kod 'kineza' ili nece da se guraju...) to je OK, ali ti sto prodaju su zapravo cisti preprodavci. Nema tu nelojalne konkurencije, tarifa i slicnih gluposti.

Sta ce da se desi? Nece nista? Gomila tog polusveta, preprodavaca i njima slicnih ce da zatvori radnje ili ce otvori nove radnje za preporodaju neceg drugog.

[vbo man]

Bila sam u tom centru u bloku 70 u zimu 2004  :roll: da kupim kaput/jaknu jer ja ovde uopshte nemam zimske gardarobe ( jer mi ne treba u tropima) a bila sam se u Beogradu smrzla ko....Elem trebalo mi je neshto jeftino za tih 6 nedelja tamo shto sam kasnije ostavila tamo svekrvi ( ne znam shta je uradila s tim kaputom/jaknom posle, verovatno opet dala nekom). Taj centar je katastrofa.Medjutim sad kad sam bila pokazashe mi novu zgradu/centar koji su Kinezi napravili.No u ovom sluchaju o kome se pishe ne radi se o lokalnim Kinezima/trgovcima.Prema pisanju ovde u Srbiju bi trebalo da udju milijarde dolara i to pretezno za infrastrukturu ( za sada) iz Kine u vidu vrlo povoljnih kredita a bez nekih posebnih uslova ( kao shto ih ima ona banda iz mmf-a i ostali sa zapada koji daju skupe kredite i josh postavljaju kako ekonomske tako i politichke uslove). I josh neshto, kad sam letos bila u Beogradu nigde osim u tim Kineskim radnjama nisam videla kinesku robu vec uglavnom sa zapada...ne kao ovde u Australiji gde za shta god se uhvatish je iz Kine (i pretezno shit ali i jeftino) shto sirotinji raji daje utisak da eto moze SVE da kupi. Tako kontam ako ta sva roba i dodje iz Kine u Srbiju bice dobro za sirotinju raju. S druge strane ja bih se rado menjala s njima pa da ovde imam onu robu iz Beograda...makar i neshto skuplju...
Mene brine shto su ovi zajmovi velike pare a poznavajuci navike u tom delu Evrope glodari ce da nagrnupa nit ce Srbi dobiti shta treba od tih para a nit ce Kinezi dalje da se zajebavaju. Nije u Srbiji ko u Kini da ide glava za veliki lopovluk :evil:

[alan ford]

Prema pisanju ovde u Srbiju bi trebalo da udju milijarde dolara i to pretezno za infrastrukturu ( za sada) iz Kine u vidu vrlo povoljnih kredita a bez nekih posebnih uslova ( kao shto ih ima ona banda iz mmf-a i ostali sa zapada koji daju skupe kredite i josh postavljaju kako ekonomske tako i politichke uslove).

Ko god poveruje ovako sta je zdrav za ludnicu. Niko, ni braca Kinezi, ni braca Rusi, ni braca nesvrstani, pa ni MMF NIKO ne daje kredite na ime bratstva, slavenstva i neceg slicnog. Svi daju uz odgovarajuce finansijske uslove, jedino sto kod brace Kineza i Rusa to sve nije dovoljno transparentno pa se u ugovor stave i razne privatizacije kojekakvih firmi, podrska za Kosovo, dobijanje tendera i ostale nelegalne aktivnosti (ili ako ne nelegalne ono aktivnosti koje osim krishom ne bi mogle da se sprovedu u delo).
Nasi genijalci Tadic, Jeremic & Co. cesto koriste u raznim pregovorima sa zapadom kao ako nam ne date to sto trazimo mi cemo kredit da trazimo kod Rusa i Kineza (kao zapadu se tresu gaze jer sta ako Srbi ne uzmu kredit od njih, sta ako citav svet procuje da ovi daju kredite na lepe oci i bez uslova).

[vbo man]

Kazu " no strings atached"...
Naravno da ne mislim da Kinezi daju neshto " na lepe ochi"...imaju interes i te kako.Ali daju povoljnije. Zapad toplo preporuchuje sirotinji da uzima zajmove od MMF-a ( koji su smishljeni da unishte sve te sirotinjske zemlje) a sad kad je jedna chlanica EU - Grchka u govnima bore se rukama i nogama da Grci ne spadnu na MMF...kako to?

[alan ford]

Naravno da ne mislim da Kinezi daju neshto " na lepe ochi"...imaju interes i te kako.Ali daju povoljnije.

otkut ti taj podatak? NIKO nema pojma koji su uslovi pod kojima dobijamo zajam od Kine i Rusije jer pola uslova nigde ne pise a to su oni opasni uslovi u kojima im obecavamo nekakve tendere i slicne stvari?
Zasto mislis da smo Rusima dali NIS za dzabe? U koji kredit bi ta razlika trebala da se uracuna?

[vbo man]

Pa podatak je iz ovog teksta...ako ne laze DW

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5315134,00.html

[vbo man]

a i shire ... :?

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/highspeed-rail-plan-to-link-china-to-europe-20100309-pvvd.html

China is in negotiations with 17 countries to build a high-speed rail network to India and Europe with trains capable of running at more than 320 km/h within the next 10 years.

One network would run from London to Beijing and then to Singapore, according to Wang Mengshu, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering.

A second project would carry trains through Russia to Germany and into the European railway system, and a third line would extend south to connect Vietnam, Thailand, Burma and Malaysia.

Passengers could board a train in London and step off in Beijing, 8160 kilometres away as the crow flies, in just two days.

''The best-case scenario is that the three networks will be completed in a decade,'' Mr Wang said.

[vbo man]

Kina i shire...

FT.com / Companies / Oil & Gas - CNOOC to pay $3.1bn for Argentine stake

    China's CNOOC has agreed to take a 50 per cent stake in Argentina's Bridas Group for $3.1bn in the latest example of Beijing's thirst for global energy assets.

    The deal, announced on Sunday through CNOOC's Hong Kong-listed unit, is the oil explorer's largest acquisition to date and marks its first foray into Latin America.

    Bridas is owned by the Bulgheroni family, which will retain a 50 per cent stake through a newly-created joint venture holding company alongside CNOOC.

    Bridas' prize asset is its 40 per cent stake in Pan American Energy, a joint venture with BP, which has coveted oil and gas exploration and production activities across Latin America.

    Pan American is Argentina's second-biggest producer of crude, behind the YPF, the Argentine unit of Spain's Repsol YPF, and was the country's largest exporter of oil in 2009.

    [...]

    Chinese companies are snapping up energy assets across the globe, with official backing, to help provide resources needed to feed the world's most rapidly growing big economy.