Vojna parada u Moskvi

[Tromotorac]

...ucestvuju Britanske, Francuske i US trupe.  Putin nadgleda.

I onda kazete Obama nije klozet-komunista?  :D


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVDpRIQbGRBp3KOFBZ355nxJnuHgD9EGV6S81
US, British, French troops to march on Red Square
(AP) – 6 days ago

MOSCOW — The British Embassy says British, French and U.S. troops will march with Russian soldiers on Red Square to mark the 65th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

It said in a statement Thursday that the May 9 parade will include a Royal Air Force band and a detachment of Welsh Guards.

The statement said the parade may mark the first time British troops have marched in Red Square.

The U.S. Embassy confirmed that U.S. soldiers will take part in the parade.

Victory Day is Russia's most important secular holiday. The Kremlin plans a larger parade than usual this year.

[alan ford]

the whole world is turning communist :)

[Tromotorac]

Ma krasno...

"Ziveo Staljin, i svetska revolucija, ziveo Inforbiro i njegova rezolucija!.."

[zagor te nej]

E jebiga, pa ne slavi se valjda 9. maja Staljin nego kraj najmonstruoznijeg rezima nametnutog evropi ikad...

[Tromotorac]

Zagore, koliko puta je Eisenhower slao trupe da marsiraju na Crvenom Trgu na 9-majskoj proslavi? A koliko puta Kennedy? Johnson? Nixon, on je valjda slao Marince da marsiraju na kineskim paradama? Ford? Karter? Koliko je puta Reagan slao svoju vojsku da marsira sa Crvenom Armijom pod Breznjevom/Andropovim/... lozom? H.Bush? Klinton? W?

:lol:

[Hate mail]

"NO FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS"

[Pijanista]

Naravno da ce sef drzave da nadgleda, nece valjda predsednik.

[zagor te nej]

pobogu pa gde je to za poredjenje? Tada je na Ameriku bilo upereno, na 2 minutes warning, 28,000 bojevih glava. Sad nam astronauti sede u istoj svemirskoj stanici, transport svega za vosjku u Avganistanu ide preko Rusije. Jebiga, pa nije ovo '49.
W je slao vojsku u pogresan rat na kreditnu karticu, i ja i moj sin cemo da ga placamo dok smo zivi. To me licno mnogo vise dotiche.

[Tromotorac]

Tebe se ne tice. Ljude koji su mnogo blizi armed forces, ovo se itekako tice. Njima nije svejedno, i nemoj da mislis da oni posmatraju sadasnjeg commander-in-chiefa na isti nacin na koji ga ti dozivljavas.

[Hate mail]

Jel' to znaci da ce da radi neki Zveki?

[alan ford]

pobogu pa gde je to za poredjenje? Tada je na Ameriku bilo upereno, na 2 minutes warning, 28,000 bojevih glava. Sad nam astronauti sede u istoj svemirskoj stanici, transport svega za vosjku u Avganistanu ide preko Rusije. Jebiga, pa nije ovo '49.

bas ovo htedoh da kazem. To tvoje kada su kenedi, ford itd. slali vojsku je smesno i za porediti.

[Tromotorac]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

[Ivan_D]

Pre pet godina kad, bilo 60 godina iskrcavanja u Normandiji i prvi put u istoriji pozvali i nemacke veterane.
I bila sjajna scena, prilazi deda britanac u britanskoj uniformi nekom mitraljezu protiv avionske odbrane pored koga stoje dvojica deda Nemaca, u civilu. I ovaj Nemac pita ovog Engleza, pokazivajuci prstom u nebo, na engeskom sa teskim nemackim akcentom, "vi ste tamo iskocili iz aviona padobranom, je l' da". Englez mu odgovara "da, tamo". A Nemac mu kaze "ja sam odavde pucao na vas" - pokazujuci na instalirani mitraljez.
Da li zbog akcenta ili zbog neceg drugog, izgledalo je kao da Nemac ima vrlo radostan glas.  
Englez mu odgovorio "da, ali mene ste promasili"  :)

[alan ford]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

zato sto ne znam sta to tacno znaci? anti american u odnosu na sta? mozda ste bas vi anti american jer ste defakto u manjini.

[Ivan_D]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

define anti-american

[Tromotorac]

Bio je susret americkih i japanskih veterana na obelezavanju Perl Harbor godisnjice. Ne secam se detalja, ali mislim da je bilo u veoma kolegijalnom stilu, gde su jedni i drugi prijateljski pricali o napadu na P.H. gde su nekad bili neprijatelji.

Ja mislim da je to drugacije od ovih. Te sastanke prezivelih veterana potpuno drugacije razumem i dopada mi se sto postoje. Jako potrebno i za njih licno, i za njihove nacije.


Ali ovo u Moskvi je vojna parada aktivne vojske. Osim ako im US ne posalje Village People "Don't ask don't tell" squad, mislim da nije prikladno da se marsira na Sovjetskoj vojnoj paradi, pa makar bila i proslava pobede WW2. Ako nisu ucestvovali 65 godina, zasto sad zapocinjati?

Da li bi bili isto za da je Kostunjavi slao Crvene Beretke da marsiraju sa ruskom bracom u Moskvi?

[zagor te nej]

Tebe se ne tice. Ljude koji su mnogo blizi armed forces, ovo se itekako tice. Njima nije svejedno, i nemoj da mislis da oni posmatraju sadasnjeg commander-in-chiefa na isti nacin na koji ga ti dozivljavas.

Pravo da ti kazem uopste me ne zanima kako ga dozivljavaju. Ovo je (jos uvek) civilno, gradjansko drustvo u kom oni primaju platu za servis koji obavljaju za drzavu.

[Tromotorac]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

define anti-american

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php

8-)

[vbo man]

anti-american US president?

Bezveze ...Ja bash mislim suprotno...koliko je uopshte moguce nakon svih sranja on pokushava da USU bar predstavi u nekom drugom svetlu i priblizi je "saveznicima" koji se udaljavaju.
Rusija ce chak vrlo verovatno u buducnosti da se nadje u istom vojnom savezu sa Evropljanima a mozda chak i sa USOm.
Oni koji ne vide da se vremena menjaju, da se geopolitichka situacija menja i istrajavaju na onome shto je "zacrtano" u proshlosti nekako mi se chine slepi kod ochiju.Zashto bi se ostalo zaglavljeno u starim rovovima? Francuzi i Englezi, Nemci i Francuzi su ratovali izmedju sebe u proshlosti pa su sad pod istom kapom.
Rusija se (polako) menja...Kina se menja...postali su strateshki partneri na mnogim poljima zapadu...
Shta vishe , mislim da USA MORA da saradjuje sa jucherashnjim neprijateljima jer je to u interesu USE same.
Ja lichno ne vidim neki veliki pomak sa Obamom ali opet te stvari ne idu brzo i ne preko noci...
Nadam se da ipak vecina Amerikanaca ne pripada Tromotorchevom jatu i da uvidjaju da su velike promene neophodne...no nisam sigurna. Vreme ce pokazati...i izbori...
I ne samo to, Obama nije pao s Marsa na mesto preCednika USE...i njega je doveo krupan kapital na vlast...znachi da oni uvidjaju...a shta raja po nekim vukojebinama smatra nema nekog prevelikog znachaja. Ta vojska moze da kuka al shto reche Zagor oni su placeni od drzave da odradjuju servis kako im se naredi.

[Ivan_D]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

define anti-american

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php

8-)

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[Daisy]

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February 10, 2010
The Code of the Left vs The Code of the West: Contrast and Compare



"A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job." -- John Wayne

Once upon a time, there was "The Code of the West." [Original here] That was long ago, far away and in another country. Now there is only, "The Code of the Left." I've compared the two here. The Code of the West is in plain text. The Code of the Left is in italics because, well, it is just so damned important!

It's time for our biannual check in on how these two dueling codes are faring in America. When last we looked the Obama Banditos were riding roughshod over the people. Now, the Banditos seem to be in retreat and at our feet pleading a new birth of populism. But since the leftist Banditio is always either at your feet or at your throat it can't last. What's next? We're open for updates, additions, and deletions.

* Don't inquire into a person's past. Take the measure of a man for what he is today.

* There are no "people," only "social policies." Don't inquire into a social policy's past or that policy's likely consequences for the future. Take the measure of a policy by how closely it maps to the Socialist Utopia that has already killed and crippled hundreds of millions of people. Dream big nightmares.

* Never steal another man's horse. A horse thief pays with his life.

* Always look to steal another man's money with a "tax." Always ask your fellow citizen to reach for his wallet. All tax thieves are rewarded with a fat government pension and fatter health plan.

* Defend yourself whenever necessary.

* Do not defend yourself or the country under any circumstances. Killers are just grown-up kids who were abused. Terrorists are just people who haven't had their issues listened to with compassion. Make sure nobody else can defend themselves. Use only diplomacy to defend your country. Armies are raised only to place sandbags around towns about to be flooded for the fifth time. When that happens use government money to enable the fools who built them to rebuild them.


* Look out for your own.

* Look out, first, last and always, for any other people numerous enough to declare themselves an oppressed group (The minimum number is 3) - except if the group is an actual family, in which case seek to disband it by any means necessary.

* Remove your guns before sitting at the dining table.

* Ban guns. Anytime, anywhere. The Second Amendment is a misprint. Erase it in the original. Burn all copies.

* Never order anything weaker than whiskey.

* Never order anything stronger than a decaf double latte made with soy milk. Yes, that drink will shrink your testicles and/or ovaries to the size of peas, but you weren't using them anyway. Make it a double.

* Don't make a threat without expecting dire consequences.

* Threaten everyone and every behavior you think does not square with an organic, green, globally-warmed new-age life-style. They will fold. There will be no consequences. There never are.

* Never pass anyone on the trail without saying "Howdy".

* Never pass anyone on the street without muttering "Bush lied."

* When approaching someone from behind, give a loud greeting before you get within shooting range.

* When approaching someone from behind, try to determine if they are a Republican-Christianist before picking their pocket and denigrating their beliefs with impunity.

* Don't wave at a man on a horse, as it might spook the horse. A nod is the proper greeting.

* Don't wave at a blind man with a seeing-eye dog as it might confuse/abuse the dog. Lead them both into a disabled parking space and leave them there with a pocket full of kibble and food stamps.

* After you pass someone on the trail, don't look back at him. It implies you don't trust him.

* After you pass anti-Christian laws, don't look back. God will turn you into a pillar of salt and there is no salt tax.... Yet.

* Riding another man's horse without his permission is nearly as bad as making love to his wife. Never even bother another man's horse.

* Riding another man's wife or significant other is not only okay, but a qualification for high office. Gay or straight, you are allowed to have anyone you want without consequences to the family since soon there won't be any. Medicines for STDs will be free and will soon consume 92% of federal research funds (7% goes to embryonic stem cell research), dedicated to finding a sex vaccine so you can get back to the level of random sex with random strangers you enjoyed in the early 1970s.

* Always fill your whiskey glass to the brim.

* Always buy and carry the really big bottle of Fuji mineral water everywhere so people can know that while you object to Big Oil making windfall profits on $3.00 a gallon gasoline, you have no problem with windfall profits on $10 a gallon bottled water.

* A Cowboy is pleasant even when out of sorts. Complaining is what quitters do, and Cowboys hate quitters.

* A Leftist is mean and bitter even when in office. Complaining and turning small complaints into laws is what Leftists at all levels do. Leftists love making new laws from old whines.

* Always be courageous. Cowards aren't tolerated in any outfit worth its salt.

* Never exhibit courage when it comes to defending your country. Cowardice is a Leftist pre-requisite for running for office on any level. Your constituents are cowards to the core and don't expect any less from you.

* A Cowboy always helps someone in need, even a stranger or an enemy.

* A Leftist only helps those in need when helping them will condemn them to being in need for all eternity. Enemies are to be helped only if they will promise to first vote for and then behead Leftists. In that way both the need to rule and the need to expunge guilt can be satisfied.

* Never try on another man's hat.

* Never try on another man's condom or use his needle - without asking permmisson which will naturally be forthcoming. Free condoms and free needles are a basic right and will replace the present Second Amendment as soon as possible. Draft text: "An unregulated and unrestrained sex and drugs and rock and roll lifestyle, being the necessary opiate of the masses, the right of the people to free condoms and free needles, shall not be infringed."

* Be hospitable to strangers. Anyone who wanders in, including an enemy, is welcome at the dinner table. The same was true for riders who joined Cowboys on the range.

* Be hospitable to those who "wander" into your country illegally. Anyone who "wanders" into the United States, including an enemy, is welcome at the welfare table. This is especially true for those who will do the voting sane Americans won't - voting for you.

* Give your enemy a fighting chance.

* Give all enemies a really good fighting chance always. Make the Armed Forces fight with both hands behind their back. Roll back all arms programs to the environmentally sensitive bow and arrow era. Marines are to be especially despised for their general Gung Ho militaristic attitude. Make up rules of engagement that ensure all wars will be fought on the cheap and without weapons that are more lethal than megaphones. In war, Love is all you need.

* Never wake another man by shaking or touching him, as he might wake suddenly and shoot you.

* But if he does, pass more laws restricting guns and apologize to him before dying.

* Real Cowboys are modest. A braggart who is "all gurgle and no guts" is not tolerated.

* Real Leftists are the first to tell you what wonderful human beings they are. A Leftist who is "all gurgle and no guts" can be easily nominated for high office. See "Edwards, John."

* A Cowboy doesn't talk much; he saves his breath for breathing.

* A Leftist does nothing but talk. Talk is mother's milk without the annoying lactation. Leftist talk is a three-foot length of numbing rebar pounded down the center of your spine. A Leftist will save his breath for Yoga class.

* No matter how weary and hungry you are after a long day in the saddle, always tend to your horse's needs before your own, and get your horse some feed before you eat.

* No matter how weary and frustrated you are after a long day of lying and pandering on the campaign trail, always tend to your political machine's needs before your own. Get your machine some more money (cash if possible) for moveon.org or Media Matters. Don't skim more than 55% of the cash for yourself. Remember that if you are elected you can feed at the public trough for life, and earn millions for blathering after you retire.

* Cuss all you want, but only around men, horses and cows.

* Cuss all you want, constantly and without restraint, especially when you hear the obscenity-triggering words, "President Bush." Be sure to teach the F-word to your children early and reward them for using it.

* Complain about the cooking and you become the cook.

* Complain about earmarks unless they are your earmarks and remember to vote for all earmarks so that others will vote for yours.

* Always drink your whiskey with your gun hand, to show your friendly intentions.

* Always sip your chai with the pinky finger crooked, to show your rainbow intentions.

* Be there for a friend when he needs you.

* Be there with a handout for a voter when you think that you can pander enough and promise enough free stuff to buy that vote. Pander early and pander often. Offer $5,000 just for being born. Be sure you put that idea forward before a group of people with a history of getting (and an undying thirst for more) handouts. Always infantalize.

* Drinking on duty is grounds for instant dismissal and blacklisting.

* Drinking and smoking dope in office is grounds for instant lionizing, a safe seat, and a free pass should you drive off a bridge on the way home and leave someone who was giving you sex at the wheel behind to drown.

* A Cowboy is loyal to his "brand," to his friends, and those he rides with.

* A Leftist is loyal to the nightmares of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Fidel Castro - all of whom knew how to run billions of lives for the better. They may be gone but their song remains the same. Dance to it and make sure everyone else does too. Or else.

* Never shoot an unarmed or unwarned enemy. This was also known as "the rattlesnake code": always warn before you strike. However, if a man was being stalked, this could be ignored.

* Always smear a blameless or dangerous political enemy. Lying and innuendo is okay. Be the rattlesnake. Unless the man is stalking the same office you are. In that case smear early and smear often. Lie big and lie long.

* Never shoot a woman no matter what.

* Never seek to make love to a woman unless there are no other alternatives - including shrubs - or unless you are a woman.

* Consideration for others is central to the code, such as: Don't stir up dust around the chuck-wagon, don't wake up the wrong man for herd duty, etc.

* Being inconsiderate of personal God-given liberty is central to the code of the Left. There is no God, there is only the Party and the dream of a socialist utopia. Always stir up dust and regulations around the free market -- it can and does donate money to your opponents. Don't wake up those who depend on government hand-outs for everything. Promise more and keep them comatose.

* Respect the land and the environment by not smoking in hazardous fire areas, disfiguring rocks, trees, or other natural areas.

* Respect the small, endless fears of everyone in the environment by not smoking anywhere at anytime unless it is copious amounts of really righteous dope. Remember the first commandment of the Leftist: "Tobacco and Fox News bad. Dope and the New York Times good." Seek to have laws passed enabling everyone to smoke as much dope as they want. Then they will be too stoned to see through your insane plans. They will even think that more taxes on the rich means higher government revenues. Praise those who are disfiguring rocks, walls, and buildings with graffiti as "artistes." Return forests and farmland to their natural state -- especially if you can get them cheap via takings or public domain. Let the surviving population live like the sheep they are and eat grass.

* Honesty is absolute - your word is your bond, a handshake is more binding than a contract.

* Lies are your friend. Never let facts obfuscate falsehoods. Your word is only good for those your are speaking to at the time you are speaking. After you've promised something, forget about it. A handshake and a contract are simply lies waiting for laws to make them inoperative. If caught in a lie and under oath remember to always ask what the meaning of "is" is.

* Live by the Golden Rule.

* Live by the Rule of the Gold: If you run across anyone with gold, make them convert it to paper money and give 98% of that to the state or your re-election campaign. Require the other 2% to be donated to a charity of your choice for a tax deduction. Live the dream by buying your way into the government which will be, when that great getting-up morning arrives, the only thing on earth with any money or privilege.

[Note: I'm also looking to add to this list. The last time it came around we got this prescient statement in the comments:

West: "Never shoot a woman no matter what."
Left: "Unless she is the Republican Governor of Alaska. In which case, blast away. Be sure to remove her orange hunting vest afterwards so you can claim it was 'just an accident' and you mistook her for a caribou."]

Posted by Vanderleun at February 10, 2010 11:19 AM | TrackBack

[vbo man]

Sa velikim interesovanjem chekam odgovor Zagora i Alana na ovo gore... :mrgreen:

[alan ford]

pa, pre nekoliko godina sam naisao na zakone vikinga, koji se cesto pominju i koriste u softverskoj industriji ali su primenljivi apsolutno na sve svere zivota. Znam da ne zivim u zemlji vikinga vec kauboja ali mozda i kauboji mogu nesto nekada da nauce.

Be brave and aggressive
Be direct
Grab all opportunities
Use varying methods of attack
Be versatile and agile
Attack one target at a time
Don't plan everything in detail
Use top quality weapons
Be prepared
Keep weapons in good condition
Keep in shape
Find good battle comrades
Agree on important points
Choose one chief
Be a good merchant
Find out what the market needs
Don't promise what you can't keep
Don't demand overpayment
Arrange things so that you can return
Keep the camp in order
Keep things tidy and organised
Arrange enjoyable activities which strengthen the group
Make sure everybody does useful work
Consult all members of the group for advice

[Tromotorac]

Dobra lista. Nije ni cudo sto je Minesota napredna drzava, kad su je osnovali vikinzi.

[Tromotorac]

Btw, evo ga link za Code of the West.

Ini je preneo Vanderluenov tekst koji sam linkovao, njegov tekst je komentar, a ovo je link na originalni tekst.

[alan ford]

Dobra lista. Nije ni cudo sto je Minesota napredna drzava, kad su je osnovali vikinzi.

meni se dopala, cak sam je u par navrata koristio (skracenu verziju) na poslu za razne team building, product/team kick off i vidim da se svima dopadne.

[Mirabella]

Dobra lista. Nije ni cudo sto je Minesota napredna drzava, kad su je osnovali vikinzi.

Nice.  :) ;)

[Tužni Grad]

Always drink your whiskey with your gun hand, to show your friendly intentions
xrofl

[amans]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu)  moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku...  :evil:

[amans]

...ucestvuju Britanske, Francuske i US trupe.  Putin nadgleda.

I onda kazete Obama nije klozet-komunista?  :D


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVDpRIQbGRBp3KOFBZ355nxJnuHgD9EGV6S81
US, British, French troops to march on Red Square
(AP) – 6 days ago

MOSCOW — The British Embassy says British, French and U.S. troops will march with Russian soldiers on Red Square to mark the 65th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

It said in a statement Thursday that the May 9 parade will include a Royal Air Force band and a detachment of Welsh Guards.

The statement said the parade may mark the first time British troops have marched in Red Square.

The U.S. Embassy confirmed that U.S. soldiers will take part in the parade.

Victory Day is Russia's most important secular holiday. The Kremlin plans a larger parade than usual this year.

Gagi, imas votku za ovaj topik kad se sretnemo na nekom aeromitingu  :lol:

[amans]

E jebiga, pa ne slavi se valjda 9. maja Staljin nego kraj najmonstruoznijeg rezima nametnutog evropi ikad...

lebati?  :evil:

[amans]

Pre pet godina kad, bilo 60 godina iskrcavanja u Normandiji i prvi put u istoriji pozvali i nemacke veterane.
I bila sjajna scena, prilazi deda britanac u britanskoj uniformi nekom mitraljezu protiv avionske odbrane pored koga stoje dvojica deda Nemaca, u civilu. I ovaj Nemac pita ovog Engleza, pokazivajuci prstom u nebo, na engeskom sa teskim nemackim akcentom, "vi ste tamo iskocili iz aviona padobranom, je l' da". Englez mu odgovara "da, tamo". A Nemac mu kaze "ja sam odavde pucao na vas" - pokazujuci na instalirani mitraljez.
Da li zbog akcenta ili zbog neceg drugog, izgledalo je kao da Nemac ima vrlo radostan glas. 
Englez mu odgovorio "da, ali mene ste promasili"  :)

sweet and sad  :lol: :( :lol: :(

[Tromotorac]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu)  moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku...  :evil:

Ovo sto navodis je za ozbiljniju temu.

[amans]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

define anti-american

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/the_code_of_the.php

8-)

Dzon Vejn kazes, ni manje ni vise  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[amans]

pa, pre nekoliko godina sam naisao na zakone vikinga, koji se cesto pominju i koriste u softverskoj industriji ali su primenljivi apsolutno na sve svere zivota. Znam da ne zivim u zemlji vikinga vec kauboja ali mozda i kauboji mogu nesto nekada da nauce.

Be brave and aggressive
Be direct
Grab all opportunities
Use varying methods of attack
Be versatile and agile
Attack one target at a time
Don't plan everything in detail
Use top quality weapons
Be prepared
Keep weapons in good condition
Keep in shape
Find good battle comrades
Agree on important points
Choose one chief
Be a good merchant
Find out what the market needs
Don't promise what you can't keep
Don't demand overpayment
Arrange things so that you can return
Keep the camp in order
Keep things tidy and organised
Arrange enjoyable activities which strengthen the group
Make sure everybody does useful work
Consult all members of the group for advice

alane, ako volis takve stvari, vidi ovo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War


Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.

[Tromotorac]

And why not?  

It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?

:)

[amans]

Zasto je vama toliko tesko da priznate ocigledno, da je Obama genuine anti-american US president? :)

eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu)  moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku...  :evil:

Ovo sto navodis je za ozbiljniju temu.

mrzi me....

[amans]

And why not? 

It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?

:)

o cemu ti to?

[Tromotorac]

pa, pre nekoliko godina sam naisao na zakone vikinga, koji se cesto pominju i koriste u softverskoj industriji ali su primenljivi apsolutno na sve svere zivota. Znam da ne zivim u zemlji vikinga vec kauboja ali mozda i kauboji mogu nesto nekada da nauce.

Be brave and aggressive
Be direct
Grab all opportunities
Use varying methods of attack
Be versatile and agile
Attack one target at a time
Don't plan everything in detail
Use top quality weapons
Be prepared
Keep weapons in good condition
Keep in shape
Find good battle comrades
Agree on important points
Choose one chief
Be a good merchant
Find out what the market needs
Don't promise what you can't keep
Don't demand overpayment
Arrange things so that you can return
Keep the camp in order
Keep things tidy and organised
Arrange enjoyable activities which strengthen the group
Make sure everybody does useful work
Consult all members of the group for advice

alane, ako volis takve stvari, vidi ovo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War


Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.

Cek, da dodam i ja lektiru -

Clausewitz on War
http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/OnWar1873/TOC.htm

ima nekoliko interpretacija, ali za clanove ovog foruma je original dovoljan  :lol:

[Tromotorac]

And why not? 

It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?

:)

o cemu ti to?

Ne pratis fabulu teme. Kako smo sa Sovjetske parade dosli na Code of the West?

[amans]

And why not? 

It worked - pogledaj Alana, od relativistickog 'who are you to say what is American?' do inspiracijskog Viking coda - isn't John Wayne great?

:)

o cemu ti to?

Ne pratis fabulu teme. Kako smo sa Sovjetske parade dosli na Code of the West?

ovo je dzezerski topik....sve sama improvizacija....tralala....zato mi se i dopada  8-) 8-) 8-)

[alan ford]

Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.

Cuo sam za to ali nisam citao. Pogledacu.

ja sam nedavno naleteo na Merlinov pristup definisanja strategije  (carobnjak Merlin), prilicno zanimljiv, a zasniva se na cinjenici da je Merlin ziveo vremenski unazad, tako da je svakog trenutka znao sta ce mu se desavati. Sustina tog pristupa je ne samo da imas viziju toga gde bi da budes vec da se 'postavis' tamo i krenes unazad korak po korak da definises sta sve moras da uradis i da se desi kako bi dosao do sadasnjeg vremena, a onda znajuci sve mozes da zivis unazad.

[alan ford]

eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu)  moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku...  :evil:

drago mi je da ces 'sada' (2014.) i ti moci da se osiguras, jer kao sto sam milion puta rekao smatram da zdravstvena zastita u danasnje vreme ni slucajno ne moze da se smatra privilegijom vec pravom svih ljudi. Pogotovu za razvijen svet poput Amerike.

[amans]

eto taj nesrecnik antiamerikanac kolko juce potpisa zakon po kom ce svi oni bednici sa pre-existing conditions (myself included, em amerikanka po pasosu, em amerikanka sa preexisting condition koju niko nije hteo da osigura nizazivuglavu)  moci da imaju zdravstveno osiguranje...da mu mamu maminu antiamericku...  :evil:

drago mi je da ces 'sada' (2014.) i ti moci da se osiguras, jer kao sto sam milion puta rekao smatram da zdravstvena zastita u danasnje vreme ni slucajno ne moze da se smatra privilegijom vec pravom svih ljudi. Pogotovu za razvijen svet poput Amerike.

Naravno. Inace, ja sam sada osigurana i ususkana samtako (ali ono predstanje nisam zaboravila, niti cu ikad) ... osiguranje sam izgubila u jednom prelaznom periodu i mogu ti reci da je to nesto sto je jako strasno, pogotovo ako je covek ozbiljno bolestan. Ja to nisam (srecom i bar za sada) ali mi se tako sklopilo u tom momentu. I to ne bih nikom pozelela. Ni najgorem neprijatelju. Kako ovde tako i na Balkanu  :twisted:

[amans]

Meni je to preporuceno za citanje na temu musko/zenski odnosi, ali koliko se secam, tu knjizicu uce i u MBA programima.

Cuo sam za to ali nisam citao. Pogledacu.

ja sam nedavno naleteo na Merlinov pristup definisanja strategije  (carobnjak Merlin), prilicno zanimljiv, a zasniva se na cinjenici da je Merlin ziveo vremenski unazad, tako da je svakog trenutka znao sta ce mu se desavati. Sustina tog pristupa je ne samo da imas viziju toga gde bi da budes vec da se 'postavis' tamo i krenes unazad korak po korak da definises sta sve moras da uradis i da se desi kako bi dosao do sadasnjeg vremena, a onda znajuci sve mozes da zivis unazad.

hehe Diznijev Merlin, moj najomiljeniji lik.

A Sun Tze mi se dopao....mudro zbori. Kinezi su opasan narod, neverovatan i mudar....fascinantna civilizacija.

[alan ford]

A Sun Tze mi se dopao....mudro zbori. Kinezi su opasan narod, neverovatan i mudar....fascinantna civilizacija.

Bio sam u Kini nekoliko puta. Kada to vidis i dozivis tek onda shvatis kako imaju bogati i zanimljivu istoriju.

[alan ford]

Naravno. Inace, ja sam sada osigurana i ususkana samtako (ali ono predstanje nisam zaboravila, niti cu ikad) ... osiguranje sam izgubila u jednom prelaznom periodu i mogu ti reci da je to nesto sto je jako strasno, pogotovo ako je covek ozbiljno bolestan. Ja to nisam (srecom i bar za sada) ali mi se tako sklopilo u tom momentu.

to je ono oko cega se mi ne slazemo ovde jer nekako ispada da svih tih 30m neosiguranih danas su ili lezilebovici koji nece da rade vec bi na drzavne jasle, ili su ilegalci kao da ne postoji ona siva zova koju cine ljudi kojima su se karte u zivotu tako jednog trenutka slozile da su izgubili sve, ili prosto ma sta radili nisu u stanju i poruciti im (i bilo kome) da je zdravstvo privilegija je prvenstveno necivilizovano a onda i sve drugo.

[amans]

ne znam, niti imam podatke...ali pretpostavljam da su lezilebovici ili ilegalci (ne zaboravi da mnogo, mnogo ilegalaca uredno placa porez) manjina takvih ljudi koji zloupotrebljavaju sistem. S druge strane, jako je mnogo mladih koji zapocinju karijeru i ne mogu finansijski da izdrze placanje zdravstvenog. Koliko sveta radi po mekdonaldsima, volmartima, hemijskim cistionicama i perionicama automobila...i to su ljudi koji rade za minimalne pare i bez beneficija. Oni nemaju sanse da uplacuju sebi zdravstveno. Oni ne mogu da priuste ni najosnovnije potrebe za neki pristojan zivot (o letovanjima, skijanjima i ostalim "normalnim" stvarima da ne govorim).

Moja cerka, koja je advokat (sa ogromnim kreditom za skolu, i u Njujorku gde su troskovi zivota zesci) ozbiljno se dvoumila da li da uzme zdravstveno....mal nisam pala u nesvest i morala sam da joj naredim da ga uplacuje...alo!!!!...  i takvih mladih ima miliona.

Znas da je trend da mladi, dvadesetogodisnjaci, sve vise i vise zive kod roditelja jer ne mogu da priuste podstanarske kirije. I za njih je zdravstveno mislena imenica.

A da ne pricamo o starijim ljudima koji su ostali bez posla, u gradjevinskoj industriji, npr. i koji tonu u nepovrat. Odakle njima pare za takav luksuz.

Ilegalci i oni na socijali su samo scapegoats sa kojima se tako lako manipulise i pujda ostali narod da se skrene paznja sa pravih problema. Ne kazem da nema onih koji zloupotrebljavaju sistem, nego da su zanemarljiva brojka u poredjenju sa ostalim, normalnim, vrednim, postenim, casnim, ljudima koji nisu dovoljno bogati da mogu sebi da priuste zdravstveno--iz mase raznoraznih razloga.

[amans]

ovo gore ne vazi za Kaliforniju, oni su sui generis cini mi se ....o tome ce izvestaj da da zagor... ;)

[alan ford]

ja sam prvih nekoliko godina radnog veka svesno izbegavao da placam zdravstveno osiguranje jer je bilo izuzetno skupo a ja racunao da ako sada ne mogu bez kada cu moci.

Komsija je advokat koji ne placa zdravstveno jer mu je preskupo vec za sve sto im treba ugovori kesh dil sa bolnicom. Tako se zena porodila 3 puta svaki put za oko 5k. I to je OK dok god se ne desi nesto neplanirano, ali ako imas svoju praksu, pa joj nisi nasledio biznis od roditelja prvih godina jednostavno nemas da jos i to placas.