NATO official: "meeting became a little bit emotional"

[Tromotorac]

Jebes NATO kad se ovako lako rasklapa:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368693/Libya-war-Germans-pull-forces-NATO-Libyan-coalition-falls-apart.html

Nekad mi nije jasno ko su vece placipicke, USA ili EU sissies? Long term, za NATO bi bilo najbolje da oni nastave sa renoviranjem HQ u Briselu i da se ne bave svojim poslom.

[Pijanista]

zenga zenga

[slawen]

Зипа му сандале и чарапице:

[Hate mail]

Aha. I onom drugom. WTF?

[Tromotorac]

Hip-hop verzija apostolki.

[Tromotorac]

Charles Krauthammer: The professor's war

By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
2011-03-24 16:03:20

President Obama is proud of how he put together the Libyan operation. A model of international cooperation. All the necessary paperwork. Arab League backing. A Security Council resolution. (Everything but a resolution from the Congress of the United States, a minor inconvenience for a citizen of the world.) It's war as designed by an Ivy League professor.
    True, it took three weeks to put this together, during which time Moammar Gaddafi went from besieged, delusional (remember those youthful protesters on "hallucinogenic pills") thug losing support by the hour -- to resurgent tyrant who marshaled his forces, marched them to the gates of Benghazi and had the U.S. director of national intelligence predicting that "the regime will prevail."
    But what is military initiative and opportunity compared with paper?
    Well, let's see how that paper multilateralism is doing. The Arab League is already reversing itself, criticizing the use of force it had just authorized. Amr Moussa, secretary-general of the Arab League, is shocked -- shocked! -- to find that people are being killed by allied airstrikes. This reaction was dubbed mystifying by one commentator, apparently born yesterday and thus unaware that the Arab League has forever been a collection of cynical, warring, unreliable dictatorships of ever-shifting loyalties. A British soccer mob has more unity and moral purpose. Yet Obama deemed it a great diplomatic success that the League deigned to permit others to fight and die to save fellow Arabs for whom 19 of 21 Arab states have yet to lift a finger.

     And what about that brilliant U.N. resolution?

     Russia's Vladimir Putin is already calling the Libya operation a medieval crusade.
    China is calling for a cease-fire in place -- which would completely undermine the allied effort by leaving Gaddafi in power, his people at his mercy and the country partitioned and condemned to ongoing civil war.
    Brazil joined China in that call for a cease-fire. This just hours after Obama ended his fawning two-day Brazil visit. Another triumph of presidential personal diplomacy.
    And how about NATO? Let's see. As of this writing, Britain wanted the operation to be led by NATO. France adamantly disagreed, citing Arab sensibilities. Germany wanted no part of anything, going so far as to pull four of its ships from NATO command in the Mediterranean. France and Germany walked out of a NATO meeting on Monday, while Norway had planes in Crete ready to go but refused to let them fly until it had some idea who the hell is running the operation. And Turkey, whose prime minister four months ago proudly accepted the Gaddafi International Prize for Human Rights, has been particularly resistant to the Libya operation from the beginning.
    And as for the United States, who knows what American policy is. Administration officials insist we are not trying to bring down Gaddafi, even as the president insists that he must go. Although on Tuesday Obama did add "unless he changes his approach." Approach, mind you.  
    In any case, for Obama, military objectives take a back seat to diplomatic appearances. The president is obsessed with pretending that we are not running the operation -- a dismaying expression of Obama's view that his country is so tainted by its various sins that it lacks the moral legitimacy to ... what? Save Third World people from massacre?
    Obama seems equally obsessed with handing off the lead role. Hand off to whom? NATO? Quarrelling amid Turkish resistance (see above), NATO still can't agree on taking over command of the airstrike campaign, which is what has kept the Libyan rebels alive.
    This confusion is purely the result of Obama's decision to get America into the war and then immediately relinquish American command. Never modest about himself, Obama is supremely modest about his country. America should be merely "one of the partners among many," he said Monday. No primus inter pares for him. Even the Clinton administration spoke of America as the indispensable nation. And it remains so. Yet at a time when the world is hungry for America to lead -- no one has anything near our capabilities, experience and resources -- America is led by a man determined that it should not.
    A man who dithers over parchment. Who starts a war from which he wants out right away. Good God. If you go to take Vienna, take Vienna. If you're not prepared to do so, better then to stay home and do nothing.

http://www.ocregister.com/common/printer/view.php?db=ocregister&id=293574

[Pijanista]

 If you go to take Vienna, take Vienna. If you're not prepared to do so, better then to stay home and do nothing.

:|

[zagor te nej]

Kakve veze ima sta kazu Rusija i Kina kad su legli na rudu i dozvolili intervenciju? Uostalom, za njih je sasvim normalno da sopstvene gradjane izgazis tenkovima.
Takodje, treba da budes magarac pa da ne vidis razlog da se ceka da arapska liga pozove na intervenciju. Ovo je prvi put u istoriji da zapadne sile bombarduju muslimansku zemlju uz jednoglasnu podrsku arapske lige. Nigde nema antiamerickih demonstracija, nigde se ne pale zastave. Prosto da ne poverujes.
Ukratko, rdjavom qrcu i dlake smetaju. Da Obama nije razvalio libijsku armiju u dve noci, i da ih je pustio da pokolju pola Bengazija, bio bi soft liberal. A kad jeste razvalio, ne valja jer je cekao da se i ostali pridruze. Mislim, potpuna smejurija partije bez ijednog principa sem mrznje prema, sta je sad ono, sudeci prema onom imbecilu iz inbred AR, Kenijac?

[zagor te nej]

Vazdusne interevencije uspevaju ako imas domacu pesadiju da zauzme teren. Srbija ti je case in point. Samo gledaj sta ce da se desi sa Gadafijem za koji dan ili nedelju. Niko ne gine za budalu koja nema cak ni gde da pobegne iz misolovke.

[slawen]

Ukratko, rdjavom qrcu i dlake smetaju.

Томе се нема шта додати.

[AFord]

Vazdusne interevencije uspevaju ako imas domacu pesadiju da zauzme teren. Srbija ti je case in point. Samo gledaj sta ce da se desi sa Gadafijem za koji dan ili nedelju. Niko ne gine za budalu koja nema cak ni gde da pobegne iz misolovke.

bice zanimljivo videti da li ce biti isto i sa gadafijem. On ima naftu, svetu je nafta potrebna i sa sankcijama ili bez nafta ce se prodavati. Pod uslovom da ga NATO ne skenja. Jer ovi 'pobunjenici' niti su dovoljno brojni niti opremljeni, i niti ce libijsko plemensko uredjenje pomoci da ga se rese i dovedu nekog iole drugacijeg.

[zagor te nej]

Libija vec dve nedelje ne prodaje ni litar nafte. Totalno je stala ekspoatacija.

[Hate mail]

W's wars good, Freedom wars bad?

[Tromotorac]

Zar nije Arapska liga sastavljena od istih diktatora protiv kojih 'arapska ulica' protestuje?

Big deal, Qattar poslao transporter, i UAE poslao 10 lovaca koji ce da lete nad no-fly zone. Nije bas neko ucesce.

[AFord]

Libija vec dve nedelje ne prodaje ni litar nafte. Totalno je stala ekspoatacija.

pricaj mi o tome ...
prodavala je kao sto je i Irak prodavao tokom sankcija. Kao i sto Chavez koji prezire zapad prodaje. Zato i opstaju na vlasti.

[zagor te nej]

Zar nije Arapska liga sastavljena od istih diktatora protiv kojih 'arapska ulica' protestuje?

Big deal, Qattar poslao transporter, i UAE poslao 10 lovaca koji ce da lete nad no-fly zone. Nije bas neko ucesce.

Radi se o politickoj podrsci, pre svega. Molim te mi reci sta je to dala americkoj vojsci u Iraku ona bedna i nesrecna coalition of the willing? Albanija i Banglades, i ostala gologuzija?

[zagor te nej]

Libija vec dve nedelje ne prodaje ni litar nafte. Totalno je stala ekspoatacija.

pricaj mi o tome ...
prodavala je kao sto je i Irak prodavao tokom sankcija. Kao i sto Chavez koji prezire zapad prodaje. Zato i opstaju na vlasti.

JPM i Barclays imali danas conf calls o Libiji, i jedni i drugi tvrde da je eksploatacija stala pre skoro dve nedelje. Razbezali se radnici, ima znacajnih ostecenja instalacija. Ako lazu oni, lazem i ja.

[Tromotorac]

Zar nije Arapska liga sastavljena od istih diktatora protiv kojih 'arapska ulica' protestuje?

Big deal, Qattar poslao transporter, i UAE poslao 10 lovaca koji ce da lete nad no-fly zone. Nije bas neko ucesce.

Radi se o politickoj podrsci, pre svega. Molim te mi reci sta je to dala americkoj vojsci u Iraku ona bedna i nesrecna coalition of the willing? Albanija i Banglades, i ostala gologuzija?

Gologuzija kao UK, Australija, Kanada, etc?  Ako cemo ovako, nema svrhe za daljim razgovorom.

[Pijanista]

Kanada ne ucestvuje u ratu u Iraku. Napravio si istu gresku kao Svarceneger kad je govorio u Montrealu (Po njegovom glavni grad Kanade)

[Tromotorac]

OK, Kanada ucestvuje u Afganistanu; za mene je to isti rat kao i Irak, samo drugi front. Elem...

[Pijanista]

OK

[Hate mail]

Did we get Bin Laden yet? How's that business going?

[Tromotorac]

Evo WSJ opinion by Peggy Noonan, jedna od pro-Obama NY republicans:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704604704576221142167651286.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

[Pijanista]

Strpi se, jos malo pa ce biti gotov Software koji kreira realistican video. Uzmes Bin Ladenovu sliku, ubacis tekst (referencu na akciju u Libiji), prigodnu pozadinu (nekakva pecina) i to doturis Al Dzaziri. Vise nije ni potrebno da je ziv.

[zagor te nej]

Jedina negologuzija koja je ucestvovala u Iraku je bila UK.

[Hate mail]

Strpi se, jos malo pa ce biti gotov Software koji kreira realistican video. Uzmes Bin Ladenovu sliku, ubacis tekst (referencu na akciju u Libiji), prigodnu pozadinu (nekakva pecina) i to doturis Al Dzaziri. Vise nije ni potrebno da je ziv.

"Hi, mom, this is Mark Bingham"?

[Tromotorac]

Nigde nema antiamerickih demonstracija, nigde se ne pale zastave. Prosto da ne poverujes.

[Hate mail]

Pakistan? Indonezija?

[Tromotorac]

Srbija :)


http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//110325/481/urn_publicid_ap_org4f5e66f76c6043fab3de0d477ff216c6/

[Pijanista]

A jebiga, lako je samo audio, imas li ideje koliko je tesko dodati i sliku, pa jos sinhronizovati.

[zagor te nej]

Ja mislim da ona budala nigde nema podrsku kao u Srbiji. Samo cekam kad ce da krenu da upisuju dobrovoljce za Libiju.

[AFord]

JPM i Barclays imali danas conf calls o Libiji, i jedni i drugi tvrde da je eksploatacija stala pre skoro dve nedelje. Razbezali se radnici, ima znacajnih ostecenja instalacija. Ako lazu oni, lazem i ja.

Kao globalnom BDju pre 4 nedelje su mi 'izvadili' projektovane cifre iz Libije jer nisu realne niti iko zna sta ce se desavati.
otud kazem pricaj mi o tome...

[Tromotorac]

... i pro-Obama, pulitzer prize, Washington Post, National Association of Black Journalists' Eugene Robinson:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/25/a_mission_wrapped_in_confusion_109341.html

[slawen]

Ja mislim da ona budala nigde nema podrsku kao u Srbiji. Samo cekam kad ce da krenu da upisuju dobrovoljce za Libiju.

Можда их додатно привуче војнички пасуљ; овде ни један Први мај, Ђурђевдан, Нова Година, Дан (војске) Србије не може да прође без њега:


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Читам да тамо негде на Малију одржали стиропоријаду у част Гадафија.
А за добровољце је задужен СДПР.

[Mirabella]

Ko da se upise u dobrovoljce?!  :twisted:

[slawen]

Ko da se upise u dobrovoljce?!  :twisted:

Има ко ће... (кликабл)

[Mirabella]

 :mrgreen:

(Vuk Stambolovic, mozda?)

[Tromotorac]

Libya vs. Iraq

[Tromotorac]

War for European Oil:




http://web.stratfor.com/images/middleeast/art/Libya_Energy_800.jpg

[Hate mail]

Noooo, it's all about "Iraqi Freedom".  :mrgreen:

[Hate mail]

Besides, kada smo mi imali problem sa Afganistanom pre 10 godina, pozvali smo Evropljane u pomoc i oni su posli. Sada, kada oni imaju problem sa Libijom, pozvali su oni nas. I mi smo posli. Red je, valja se...

[Pijanista]

Hate, trazen si, sa najviseg mesta:

http://www3.serbiancafe.com/lat/diskusije/mesg/15/015418467/hatemail-javi-se-da-ne-brinem.html?10

[Hate mail]

Dirljivo.

[Tromotorac]

Besides, kada smo mi imali problem sa Afganistanom pre 10 godina, pozvali smo Evropljane u pomoc i oni su posli. Sada, kada oni imaju problem sa Libijom, pozvali su oni nas. I mi smo posli. Red je, valja se...

Vazi, favor returned, OK. Ali hocemo da im vratimo i bitching for all last 10 years?

xtwak

[Hate mail]

Mozda posle Palin/Bachmann '12 landslide-a...

[Hate mail]

French fries with that.

[Pijanista]

[Tromotorac]

Nadji najveceg lunatika, and chances are, he will have serbian popular support  :roll:

[Pijanista]

Ja sam u RL pricao sa ljudima koji smatraju da se u Severnoj Koreji zivi bolje nego u juznoh. Istina, malo manje zaradjuju, ali nije sve u parama, oni manje rade, manje su izlozeni stresu i zivot im je sadrzajniji.

[Hate mail]

Sta je RL?