prava dubina ekonomske krize?

[vbo man]

Evo shta kazu u USI

Independent: Shares tumble as Obama takes on banks

   Bank shares slid and the dollar fell against other currencies after Obama's announcement.

   JPMorgan Chase & Co fell 5.8 per cent, helping push the Dow Jones Industrial average lower.

   Citigroup Inc fell 6.36 per cent and Bank of America Corp fell 7 per cent while Goldman was down 5.5 per cent despite posting strong earnings Thursday.

   "This is going to have a tremendous impact on big-name brokerage firms like Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan," said Ralph Fogel, investment strategist at Fogel Neale Partners in New York.

   "If they stop prop trading, it will not only dry up liquidity in the market, but it will change the whole structure of Wall Street, of the whole trading community."

   Obama targeted banks for taking big risks while assuming taxpayers would bail them out if they failed.

Mada ja ne verujem u neke ozbiljne promene ipak mogu samo da kazem : "It's about time "...


Izgleda ko sahrana...samo chija :mrgreen:

[vbo man]

A Majority Of States Are Now Insolvent: Quantifying The Disastrous Unemployment Situation  Zero Hedge

    Zero Hedge recently highlighted the ever increasing Federal outlays on unemployment insurance, leading to questions on whether the true unemployment rate, as indicated by actual cash outlays, may be materially higher than indicated in increasingly dubious governmental reports. One proposed alternative has been that the Federal government is directly subsidizing standalone states' depleted unemployment insurance trust funds. Using data provided by ProPublica we have been able to confirm that indeed standalone states are for the most part now bankrupt and have no reserves left in their coffers when it comes to funding ever increasing insurance benefits. As ProPublica indicates, there are now 26 states which have depleted their trust funds, among these are the usual suspects including California, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio, which now rely exclusively on borrowings from the Federal government to prevent the cessation of insurance payments to recently unemployed workers. Currently all states collectively posses $10.7 billion in trust fund assets(with the bulk held by less impacted states such as Washington ($2.6 billion), Louisiana ($1.1 billion) and Oregon ($1.1 billion). On the other hand, 26 states currently rely exclusively on the Federal Government, and have borrowed a combined $30 billion through December to fund payments. ProPublica estimates that another 8 states will be insolvent within 6 months, as their trust funds also approach 0.

[vbo man]

Shta ste nadigli dreku oko cene grejanja...gledaj shta cheka ove muchenike u Colorado Springsu...a i druge Amere uskoro.

Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    COLORADO SPRINGS -- This tax-averse city is about to learn what it looks and feels like when budget cuts slash services most Americans consider part of the urban fabric.

    More than a third of the streetlights in Colorado Springs will go dark Monday. The police helicopters are for sale on the Internet. The city is dumping firefighting jobs, a vice team, burglary investigators, beat cops -- dozens of police and fire positions will go unfilled.

    The parks department removed trash cans last week, replacing them with signs urging users to pack out their own litter.

    Neighbors are encouraged to bring their own lawn mowers to local green spaces, because parks workers will mow them only once every two weeks. If that.

    Water cutbacks mean most parks will be dead, brown turf by July; the flower and fertilizer budget is zero.

Kriza je bre :?

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WTF, you're wasting everyone's bandwidth.  :shock:

[Mirabella]

A?

[Pijanista]

B?

[Hate mail]

C. It has to be C.

[Pijanista]

hehe bas sam se pitao sta ce da bude abeceda ili cirilica

[Hate mail]

Pa nije ovo "Glas razuma".

[Pijanista]

Zavisi ko se javlja

[vbo man]

Sasvim sigurno nije glas razuma nego BEZUMLJE i to tvoje.
Ko te bre jebe bolesna moronchino.

[tarana]

naslov iz današnjih novosti

Prepolovljen pad proizvodnje

nečiji PR dobro radi pos'o...skoro pa da ti se učini da se nešto dobro desilo..

[slawen]

Какав си бре то човек?
Ти се не радујеш што је у јануару производња пала у двоструко мањем проценту него током целе прошле године?

Видим ја шта је - тешко ти пада да одаш признање друговима који су за то заслужни...

[amans]

citam juce da ce CITI da vrati svoj deo 'bailout' para (pare poreskih obveznika koje je drzava dala bankama, beskamatno, da prebrode i ne prodube ekonomsku krizu). Citi je po pisanjima bila najugrozenija banka od svih koje su ostale da plutaju.
Sad odjednom ni godinu dana kasnije imaju i da vrate dug ali i da isplate bonuse.

Polako i meni pocinje da se nesto u stomaku muti. Kakva je ovo bila kriza, da li je zaista postojala sansa da postane najveca svetska ekonomska kriza posle one iz 1920tih ili je sve bilo preuvelicanom gomilom strucnjaka? Kako je moguce da sve banke otplacuju sve pare i imaju za bonuse?

sa druge strane, da li ce ovakvo ponasanje banaka sledeci put rezultirati da javno mnjenje jednostavno ne bude voljno da slusa kukanje i pusti sve niz vodu te dovede do zaista katastrofalne krize?

bris, bris.....u stvari, predomislila sam se....necu da se upustam, samo cu da procitam  xyxy

[amans]

Sasvim sigurno nije glas razuma nego BEZUMLJE i to tvoje.
Ko te bre jebe bolesna moronchino.

vbo???

[amans]

Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself  :mrgreen:

(u stvari, to mi je hobi  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Hate mail]

Idi bre babac... Ti ne bi umela da prepoznas moroncinu sa svojim paradajz-tourist mozgom ni kada bi te ubo u dupe.

[vbo man]

Hate, ma idi se lechi choveche!

Amans , izbegavam ovakve stvari ali kad kad jednostavno sa barabama morash barabski.Nema drugog nachina...

[amans]

ne slazem se :( ni oko definicije barabe, ni oko tretmana iste)

[vbo man]

Pa amans ako CHOVEK od 37 godina kaze zeni od 55 godina da pushi kurac , shta je to nego baraba? Eto pitam te "chovechanski"...pritom me i ne poznaje.
Istina je ne treba se izjednachavati sa barabama time shto se spushtash na njihov nivo ali ponekad bash chovek ne moze da se uzdrzi :x

[amans]

Pa amans ako CHOVEK od 37 godina kaze zeni od 55 godina da pushi kurac , shta je to nego baraba? Eto pitam te "chovechanski"...pritom me i ne poznaje.
Istina je ne treba se izjednachavati sa barabama time shto se spushtash na njihov nivo ali ponekad bash chovek ne moze da se uzdrzi :x

e, sad, to sa godinama, to je niski udarac...nismo se zato izjasnjavali o gerontoloskim karakteristikama, da bi to onda koristili kao odbrambeno oruzje. Nije uopste bitno koliko ko ima godina. Nismo valjda spali na to da masemo godinama kao autoritetom???

Nemam pojma zasto ti je rekao tako nesto.... pretpostavljam da si mu tamo i odbrusila. A sto se onda nastavljas na njegov sasvim ok komentar?  Ko je tu mladji a ko stariji hehe

[vbo man]

Nichim ga nisam bila uvredila.Razgovor je krenuo oko toga kako se iz Srbije ne mogu placati ( on je tvrdio) stvari u inostranstvu a preko interneta te kako je neko pomenuo da je to u stvari moguce ja sam napravila komentar da mozda eto njegovi na taj nachin stavljaju njega u polozaj da placa za njihove potrebe.I to je bilo recheno vishe u shali. Na to me je on okrpio ovim gore pomenutim.
Chak i da se ne 'vatam za godine ( premda mama mogu da mu budem) jer internet zaista slabo prepoznaje godine, al uzmi onda chinjenicu da sam zensko.
Ja se takodje koristim psovkama pochesto ali ih lichno upucujem tek kada mene neko pochasti.
On me je ignorisao toboze ali i dalje chita shta pishem.
Shto se tiche ovoga gore krenuo je da mi zabranjuje da postiram ovde. Ko je bre on da bilo kome govori shta ce da postira ovde? Postiracu shta mi je volja dok me administrator ne ukine ili opomene...a posebno cu postirati o USA ( sve shto postiram je iz regularnih novina svetski priznatih) ma koliko se to nekom ne svidelo.Ne mora da chita, a ima i ignore dugme.

[slawen]

Chak i da se ne 'vatam za godine ( premda mama mogu da mu budem) jer internet zaista slabo prepoznaje godine, al uzmi onda chinjenicu da sam zensko.

Извини, ВБО, али мени је ово толико смешно....

Шта да ти кажем, немој на славу да га зовеш.

[vbo man]

Nema problema Slawen, samo mi objasni tachno koji deo ti je toliko smeshan ?
Necu da ga zovem na slavu ali samo objashnjavam onima koji se zgranu kad ja pochastim njega zashto sam u tom iskushenju.

[nobody_]

A?

B?

C. It has to be C.

Povucete me svi vi zajedno za K!  xfuck5

_nobody_

[Hate mail]

Извини, ВБО, али мени је ово толико смешно....

Шта да ти кажем, немој на славу да га зовеш.

Another Miladin quote: "Sto? Nece mi dodje na slavu valjda..." :mrgreen:

[Hate mail]

Pa amans ako CHOVEK od 37 godina kaze zeni od 55 godina da pushi kurac , shta je to nego baraba? Eto pitam te "chovechanski"...pritom me i ne poznaje.
Istina je ne treba se izjednachavati sa barabama time shto se spushtash na njihov nivo ali ponekad bash chovek ne moze da se uzdrzi :x

e, sad, to sa godinama, to je niski udarac...nismo se zato izjasnjavali o gerontoloskim karakteristikama, da bi to onda koristili kao odbrambeno oruzje. Nije uopste bitno koliko ko ima godina. Nismo valjda spali na to da masemo godinama kao autoritetom???

Nemam pojma zasto ti je rekao tako nesto.... pretpostavljam da si mu tamo i odbrusila. A sto se onda nastavljas na njegov sasvim ok komentar?  Ko je tu mladji a ko stariji hehe

Later tonight, and just before the limmo time :mrgreen:, I'll find and post here the "who started it all" piece.

[Pijanista]

Извини, ВБО, али мени је ово толико смешно....

Шта да ти кажем, немој на славу да га зовеш.

Another Miladin quote: "Sto? Nece mi dodje na slavu valjda..." :mrgreen:

O, pa vi slavite? Obicaji moraju da se ispostuju

[slawen]

Извини, ВБО, али мени је ово толико смешно....

Шта да ти кажем, немој на славу да га зовеш.

Another Miladin quote: "Sto? Nece mi dodje na slavu valjda..." :mrgreen:

Да, то је био смисао мојега совјета...

[amans]

xejt, pa, nemoj biti deca, pogotovo kad je tvoj advantage  :mrgreen:

[slawen]

Играју на два пушења разлике.

[Pijanista]

Играју на два пушења разлике.

Ko sad servira?

[amans]

Ko sad servira?

ti si na redu za kokice  :mrgreen:

[Pijanista]

Dugouzlazni akcent na "O"   :twisted:

[vbo man]

Ma kakvi ne zelim da se raspravljam uopshte s Hateom.
Samo nemojte da mi dizete obrve tu...vi koji niste upuceni u " sluchaj"...

[amans]

obrve ko obrve, same se dizu... nije bitno s kim se svadjas, nego kako se svadjas, a to zavisi samo od tebe. Ja sam se samo sa jednom osobom na netu ikada posvadjala (ne racunajuci par okrsaja iza zavese--ono na SC i jednom oko nekog curana sa doktoratom iz statistike  :evil: , c kao curka) --kad sam ustala u odbranu neke nejaci od grubog maltretiranja, vise se ni ne secam dobro sta je bilo .... ima tome desetak godinica. Perje je letelo na sve strane samtako, bio boks teske kategorije...tako teske da je broker izbrisao ceo topik kad je ustao i imao sta da vidi, mal nije pao u nesvest hehehe a nisam ni jednu jedinu ruznu ili gadnu rec izgovorila (a kamoli psovke). E, a da mi je bilo krivo sto ga je broker izbrisao, bilo.....bas zato sto sam se u cipkanim rukavicama svadjala.... pa ispalo svasta..... dobra, stara, vremena, jel xejt?   :mrgreen:  xremyb

davno bese, ne ponovilo se  :lol:

ps
i nemoj da se vadis da si zensko, vbo man; ako si zensko, nisi nejac (c kao cegrtaljka)

[vbo man]

Ma Amans samo jedno stoji nije trebalo da se kao starija i pametnija xyxy spushtam na njegov nivo...to si jedino u pravu. Medjutim nije bash najjasnije kako je Hate svojim napushavanjem mene u tvojim knjigama stekao advantige...
Valjda stvar lichnih afiniteta.
Ja lichno bih bila zadovoljna da Hate ostane pri svojoj odluci da me stavi na ignore i da me preskochi u svojim komentarima. Isto cu rado uchiniti njemu.

[zagor te nej]

Zanimljivo...

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/02/05/qa-carmen-reinhart-on-greece-us-debt-and-other-scary-scenarios/

[Tromotorac]

Procitao... i dalje ne razumem sta je lek? Prezaduzivanje je opasno, ali ne treba prekinuti stimulus suvise rano? Ono kao u Alanu Fordu, kocnice ne rade, ali moramo jos nizbrdo?

Speaking of which, sta bi sa Toyotom. Prius recall najavljuju vec danima, a nikako da kazu jeli software ili fizicki problem... ? Jel' CA ima contingency plan?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DO46N00&show_article=1

[Hate mail]

Yes: raise taxes!  :mrgreen:

[zagor te nej]

Brinuti o prezaduzivanju prosle i ove godine je kao brinuti od cega ces dici krov na novoj kuci podignutoj na temeljima ove koja ti gori pod nogama. Prvo se gasi vatra, posle se razmislja o water damage. Fiskalna politika treba da bude countercyclical, u doba blagostanja drzava treba da trosi manje, kad consumer nestane drzava treba da trosim vise i umanjuje efekte recesije. Nas je problem sto nam je fiskalna politika od 2000te takva da se drzava odrekla ogromnog dela prihoda, a trosila kao nikad, plus na kreditnu karticu stavila najskuplji program od medicare-a do danas, poznatiji kao medicare drug benefit (sva ova dvolicna govna koja sada liju suze krokodilke nad fiskalnom situacijom su glasale i za tax cuts, i za spending increases, ali svi odreda) tako da nam je trenutna fiskalna rupa takva kakva je. Dakle, placacemo vise takse, Social security benefit ce biti sasechen, bolje pre nego kasnije, isto vazi i za Medicare. To je cinjenicno stanje.

[Tromotorac]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f90bca10-1679-11df-bf44-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1


Niall Ferguson:

What we in the western world are about to learn is that there is no such thing as a Keynesian free lunch. Deficits did not "save" us half so much as monetary policy – zero interest rates plus quantitative easing – did. First, the impact of government spending (the hallowed "multiplier") has been much less than the proponents of stimulus hoped. Second, there is a good deal of "leakage" from open economies in a globalised world. Last, crucially, explosions of public debt incur bills that fall due much sooner than we expect

For the world's biggest economy, the US, the day of reckoning still seems reassuringly remote. The worse things get in the eurozone, the more the US dollar rallies as nervous investors park their cash in the "safe haven" of American government debt. This effect may persist for some months, just as the dollar and Treasuries rallied in the depths of the banking panic in late 2008.

Yet even a casual look at the fiscal position of the federal government (not to mention the states) makes a nonsense of the phrase "safe haven". US government debt is a safe haven the way Pearl Harbor was a safe haven in 1941.

[vbo man]

FT.com / Companies / Banks - `Volcker rule' gives Goldman stark choice

    Goldman Sachs and other banks should give up their bank status if they want to avoid the ban on proprietary trading proposed by the White House, Paul Volcker, head of President Barack Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, said.

    "The implication for Goldman Sachs or any other institution is, do you want to be a bank?" Mr Volcker said in a video interview video interview with the Financial Times. "If you don't want to follow those [banking] rules, you want to go out and do a lot of proprietary stuff, fine, but don't do it with a banking licence."

    Mr Volcker, a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, was thrust into the centre of the financial reform debate last month, when Mr Obama endorsed his proposal to separate proprietary trading from commercial banking, naming the policy the "Volcker Rule".

    Markets are wondering how the rule would affect groups such as Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase, which have proprietary trading desks and private equity units. The two groups also enjoy financial holding company status and the consequent right to borrow money from the Federal Reserve and accept retail deposits.

    Institutions that give up their bank status to continue proprietary trading would lose "the special privileges of a bank". "Don't expect the support you would get from being a bank within the club of insured deposits and access to the Federal Reserve and all the loving attention you get as a bank organisation," Mr Volcker said.

Let's not forget that Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley became "bank holding companies" in the weeks following the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy in order to be eligible for TARP money.

[vbo man]

Kalifonija ne moze da placa svoje rachune vishe...da li je to bankrot? Makar i de facto kad vec zakonski ne moze da bankrotira...

Fiorina Suggests California File Bankruptcy: 'This State Can't Pay Its Bills' | TPMC

    California Senate candidate Carly Fiorina, a former Hewlett Packard chief executive, is under fire for suggesting bankruptcy should be a possibility for the cash-strapped state.

    [...]

    They [her  rivals] attacked her as unprepared since states under federal law cannot declare bankruptcy.

    She told the Sacramento Bee that she understands that "technicality."

    "Sure, I knew, but what cold comfort is that to all these California voters who may not know that technicality but who are sitting here knowing that by any common-sense definition, this state can't pay its bills," Fiorina told The Bee.

[vbo man]

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/201003/jobless-america-future


    The Great Recession may be over, but this era of high joblessness is probably just beginning. Before it ends, it will likely change the life course and character of a generation of young adults. It will leave an indelible imprint on many blue-collar men. It could cripple marriage as an institution in many communities. It may already be plunging many inner cities into a despair not seen for decades. Ultimately, it is likely to warp our politics, our culture, and the character of our society for years to come.
    by Don Peck

[Pijanista]

Da dam i ja svoj doprinos mucenju crnaca:

[Hate mail]

Muciti, muciti i samo muciti.

[Tromotorac]

E mnogo su namuceni.

[nobody_]

E mnogo su namuceni.

Sta bi, pitchko namucena? Bogoslosvski [M]uceniku u Chicagu, iu kome te pola serBske enklave prepoznaje kao histerika i neuracunljivog lika    xfoht

Ne zajeba[va]j... tri puta si bio na Golom Otoku... Namesticu ti ga/ih da ti gOOza otekne tri puta?  xrotaeye xrotaeye xrotaeye

Popushish mi, sa svojom kvazi dzemokracijom a i sire a i duze... Kapish?  :x  :x  :x

_nobody_

[vbo man]

Pa to se sve bre ljudi promenilo.Nisu vishe isti standardi.
Meni kad oni iz Beograda pochnu da kukaju kako nemaju ja mislim nemaju da jedu, da plate struju...a oni nekako odmah nakon toga kupili onako masovno lap-topove i plazma TV. Kad mi jedna rodjaka zakukala letos da joj crko TV ja kad sam doshla tamo mislila da idem da joj kupim kakav jeftin ( oni obichni su sad bash jeftini) da ne zive ljudi bez tv-a a kad sam stigla tamo u Beograd vidim ona se snashla i kupila plazmu :x. Mislim drago mi je ali sam moj odnos prema njihovom kukanju drastichno promenila... :lol:
Tako i ovaj crnja...nema chovek da plati stan ali ima za blekberi...Ima danas svakakvih beskucnika...narochito u USA.